Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up Autistic. I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 The MMR has never contained Mercury. It is, however, a live virus. Some babies that are shot free may still be exposed to Mercury through their mother's immunizations while pregnant. I, for example, had a flu shot as recommended, while pregnant with my son. Mercury exposure can come from the mother's dental amalgams. Mercury can come from the mother eating seafood while pregnant. You may want to have a look at Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You about Childhood Immunizations. " Pamela Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. " Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Libby Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [ ] Mercury/Immunizations This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up Autistic. I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free vaccines. The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, even if in another limb. With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them. In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major role in autism. UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of Autism " series of reports. And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html [ ] Mercury/Immunizations This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up Autistic. I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 How come nobody ever mentions cars? Isn't there mercury in car exhaust which most of us are exposed to rather directly every day? Children and infants in strollers are closer to the exhaust too. Somehow I feel like car exhaust is more harmful than tuna which contains selenuim anyways and car exhaust just makes you feel worse. Still, I think the vaccines are the worst. Hope > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free vaccines. > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, even if in another limb. > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them. > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major role in autism. > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of Autism " series of reports. > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > Autistic. > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 There's always been car exhaust, but autism rates have not always been at epidemic levels. [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > Autistic. > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Libby, It's a great question. Check in the file section of this group. There is a file that was put together by a number of list members regarding the MMR/viral/immune system connection to Autism. (Sorry - dont' remember the file name.) It's my belief that this is the issue for my son - that he had an immune system response to the MMR (measles portion). The thinking goes like this - the live virus causes the immune system to respond differently than it normally would. There are chemicals generated that destroy the mylein sheath in the brain, and nerve-endings in the gut. If a birth mother had infections as simple as the common cold, during pregnancy, it puts the baby at greater risk of having an immune system response. For my adopted son, his birthmother had Type 2 Herpes - s-Hopkins has done quite a bit of research on the mix of Herpes (and not just type 2, but even the common cold sore variety which 90% of the people have) and the measles vaccine causing the immune system to attack the nerve/brain system of the body. That's why some of us don't buy the mercury-is-the-devil thinking. I have posted a number of articles going down the viral/immune system path at my " blog " : http://www.ericsons.net/?c=ViralResearch Sharon On 6/20/06, Libby <tinkerbellwasframed@...> wrote: > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I wanted to add our experience to this discussion - my daughter had speech issues early on, developed sensory issues by three, but was not autistic until after her 4-yr vaccinations. Her DAN believes it was her 4-yr MMR that put her " over the edge " and into autism. She had a very gradual decline from age 4 to 5 - losing eye contact, ability to connect, developing ocd behaviors, etc... By 4 yrs, 9 months, she was screaming 12 hours a day and into the night, finally diagnosed at age 5. By then she was clearly autistic, although high- functioning. I used to believe you could not " become autistic " after age 4 (so I was told). But if the immune system is impaired, and continues to be violated, it makes sense it can happen at any age. > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free vaccines. > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, even if in another limb. > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty- four hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them. > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major role in autism. > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of Autism " series of reports. > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > Autistic. > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 >>It seems to me that ALL > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. Yes > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > Autistic. Other sources of mercury, lead, antimony, viruses, lots of potential sources and issues. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > > Autistic. I think in most of these cases you would find that the mother might have some kind of autoimmune disorder, allergies etc. I think you would not find a case of autism in a child whose parents, grandparents .... never got vaccines. I believe that vaccines can be passed on from mother to child, they can affect the DNA of the father and they can even be caught from siblings and children who play closely together. If I am not mistaken a colleague of Wakefield's has found high measles titers in the unvaccinated siblings of children with autism. Human beings, whatever their genetic make-up, were not meant to have viruses and toxic elements injected directly into their blood and we have really played around with humanity in ways that were not intended by nature. This is really big and really awful. Most of us have no clue until we experience the effects. It makes me so sad. Hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > I used to believe you could not " become autistic " after age 4 (so I > was told). But if the immune system is impaired, and continues to > be violated, it makes sense it can happen at any age. I personally know one who regressed at age 7. And there is someone on this message board who has written about a regression at age 12. Then there is alzheimer's. Yes, any age. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 If there were no other sources of mercury (amalgams, fish, factories, etc.) or other toxins suspected of contributing to autism in the world but the vaccines remained the same would the autism rate be the same? I would yes or darn close to it. On the flip side, if there were no vaccines and all the other toxins remained the same I don't think we would be here discussing this. > > > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. > > > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. > > > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. > > > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html > > > > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free > vaccines. > > > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, > even if in another limb. > > > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty- four > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them. > > > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major > role in autism. > > > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of > Autism " series of reports. > > > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html > > > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > > Autistic. > > > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 You are right about that, Hope. I remember hearing this at a DAN! Conference. There are documented cases where non-vaccinated siblings showed high Measles titres. Presumably, this is from contact with their vaccinated siblings. Pamela " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. " Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Oh, I agree completely. Vaccines cause autism and the increase in the vaccine schedule is responsible for the autism epidemic. Still, if we mention tuna and coal I wonder why we don't mention car exhaust. The number of cars on the road has increased a great deal in the past 15 years. I don't think any of these things cause autism but they are not good for our sensitive kids who have bad detox systems. Hope > > > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. > > > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. > > > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. > > > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html > > > > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free > vaccines. > > > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, > even if in another limb. > > > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them. > > > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major > role in autism. > > > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of > Autism " series of reports. > > > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html > > > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > > Autistic. > > > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Jumping in here with my 2 cents~!! I believe there is a problem with every vaccine out there that kids are given. I have been looking into this for about 4 1/2 years now and that is my belief. They destroy a perfectly good immune system thus opening up the proverbial Pandora's box of disease/disorders in our kids. Car exhaust is destructive to our bodies and more so with many of our ASD kids as they have already shown the inability to detox. That is why I read it is recommended to make every effort to reduce all forms of toxins our kids come into contact with. That means cleaners, body care products, bug spray, sunscreen...anything that is toxic. We can't obviously eliminate everything but the more we do the less going into their bodies. Natural cleaners aren't hard to make either. I made a bottle of window cleaner for nothing as I had everything already in my house. Works great too. As far as vaccines, I have been learning a little more from a friend of mine who is a PhD who has worked on vaccines herself. In her research she found that anyone who breastfeeds and has immunity to something passes along that to their infant. To vaccinate a breastfed child is stupid she says as the antigens in the breastmilk soak up the vaccine and prevent the child from mounting a proper immune response. That is why the vaccines have to be given over and over again to get immunity levels in babies. She said that any vaccine she was going to give her newborn wouldn't be given until she was done breastfeeding. The only one she is interested in at all is the Hib because of the meningitis factor. What she is researching right now is the possibility of being given the shot herself thus passing along immunity to her daughter without having to inject all the toxins into her. I just wanted to share this as I found it really interesting!!! As far as why some kids with no vaccines are still coming up autistic, I have wondered this for some time now as well. I know with my one ASD son he was vaccinated so there is no wondering about what caused his issues as he was born in 1999 and got mostly Hg containing shots. Family history played a gigantic role as well. There are 5 in my immediate family and all have moderate to major vaccine damage. In my husband's family there is one sibling who is moderately affected. We very well may have passed down memory cells that made it much easier for our son to develop autism. Our second son we didn't vaccinate but he is a Rhogam and dental work baby. From that exposure I am starting to believe he has a mild form of asthma and likely is mildly ADD. On the homeopathy board is a woman with two ASD boys who are both unvaccinated. What she found with them though is that they had picked up effects from vaccines other kids got. We are going to look into this with our unvaccinated son as well since his asthma started about the same time as a few kids at church got their one year shots. This woman though gave one or both boys a remedy for vaccines and they showed clearing effects. It seems that like with the flu shot other vaccines cause a shedding effect. We all know that people who get the flu shot are contagious for about 2 weeks. It would seem that other vaccinated people are also contagious. Her boys showed a lot of improvement with the vaccine remedies even though they had not gotten the shots themselves. This is one explanation as to why unvaccinated kids get ASD. Who knows also if there was a mercury contamination where they live or are at frequently. I remember breaking a Hg thermometer when I was a kid. I know there wasn't proper cleanup of that. Any number of them have been broken anywhere. A lot of light bulbs also contain Hg. There are many sources but the effects are obviously neurological. Too many people are getting the metals out of their kids and seeing amazing results. Anyway, I just wanted to join in, I love discussions like this. Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend...I will be celebrating my 10th anniversary with my family this weekend!!! parent616 <parent616@...> wrote: Oh, I agree completely. Vaccines cause autism and the increase in the vaccine schedule is responsible for the autism epidemic. Still, if we mention tuna and coal I wonder why we don't mention car exhaust. The number of cars on the road has increased a great deal in the past 15 years. I don't think any of these things cause autism but they are not good for our sensitive kids who have bad detox systems. Hope > > > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. > > > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. > > > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. > > > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html > > > > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free > vaccines. > > > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, > even if in another limb. > > > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them. > > > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major > role in autism. > > > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of > Autism " series of reports. > > > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html > > > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > > Autistic. > > > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > > You are right about that, Hope. I remember hearing this at a DAN! > Conference. There are documented cases where non-vaccinated siblings showed > high Measles titres. Presumably, this is from contact with their vaccinated > siblings. Yes, at AutismOne Wakefield suggested not allowing sibs to take baths together, or anything that might permit fecal-oral contact, which is how the vaccine-strain virus is being passed on. (OK, fecal-oral was not the exact term he used but you get my drift Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 The bathing thing I haven't heard about. I knew the old OPV could transmit fecal-orally, I never thought about the others. How long after vaccination does the bath-ban need to be in effect? I have always bathed my kids together as they are so close in age. Very interesting!!! lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote: > > You are right about that, Hope. I remember hearing this at a DAN! > Conference. There are documented cases where non-vaccinated siblings showed > high Measles titres. Presumably, this is from contact with their vaccinated > siblings. Yes, at AutismOne Wakefield suggested not allowing sibs to take baths together, or anything that might permit fecal-oral contact, which is how the vaccine-strain virus is being passed on. (OK, fecal-oral was not the exact term he used but you get my drift Nell “If you think you are too small to be effective, you’ve never been in bed with a mosquito!” –Betty Reese “Uneducated people believe what they are told…Educated people question what they are told.” –Helen Keller --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I don't know how legitimate the " un-leaded " part of gasoline is these days. Perhaps one of our friendly chemistry professionals can answer the mercury in car exhaust question? [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18 > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > > Autistic. > > > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I agree that car exhaust is nasty, but have never read or heard that it contains mercury. Can you share where you read or heard that? S S How come nobody ever mentions cars? Isn't there mercury in car<br> exhaust which most of us are exposed to rather directly every day? <br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Have you read Kirby's " Evidence of Harm " , Cave's " What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Childhood Vaccines " , and Barbara Loe-Fisher's " A Shot in the Dark " . It was the DPT that triggered my nephew's autism. S S <p>This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the<br> shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18<br> month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with<br> Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously<br> we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL<br> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.<br> <br> I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could<br> give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up<br> Autistic.<br> <br> I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 : Your friend has an interesting point except it sounds like she is forgetting about one very important thing. Most of the moms we are talking about, ie you and me and the women of our generation are the first mothers to be fully vaccinated in the first place. We are incapable of passing the kind of immunity to our children that our mothers passed to us. I believe even those of us with moms who did NOT nurse were capable of passing a basic immunity in utero that we simply cant pass (and I have breast fed both my children; and I am a big advocate; and I am not saying it doesn't help etc etc). What our society has done in the last generation is an enormous experiment of still indeterminate consequences. But the fact that these kids are coming from vaccinated mothers surely hasn't helped. You know? Josie Lvchef.wrote.. " As far as vaccines, I have been learning a little more from a friend of mine who is a PhD who has worked on vaccines herself. In her research she found that anyone who breastfeeds and has immunity to something passes along that to their infant. To vaccinate a breastfed child is stupid she says as the antigens in the breastmilk soak up the vaccine and prevent the child from mounting a proper immune response. That is why the vaccines have to be given over and over again to get immunity levels in babies. She said that any vaccine she was going to give her newborn wouldn't be given until she was done breastfeeding. The only one she is interested in at all is the Hib because of the meningitis factor. What she is researching right now is the possibility of being given the shot herself thus passing along immunity to her daughter without having to inject all the toxins into her. I just wanted to share this as I found it really interesting!!! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I have read that Car exhaust contains antimony. I have not heard of mercury though. You would have to look into the by products of gasoline combustion. ut gasoline fumes themselves cause cancer, so the by products probably are just as bad. I know that if you have an antique auto say 1940's with the original engine, you have to add a leaded additive for it to run right. More than likely most sources of lead, and mercury are comming out of industry. They are mass pollutors. And I am only stating what I learned based on my research of environmental pollutio. I feel that mercury directly introduced into the body via needle or fillings is far more poisonous in a far higher concentration that whatever is in car exhaust. But I do agree that car exhaust is not healthy. I can tell you that diesel exhaust/fumes is known to cause cancer. In our area they have a regulation that school buses are not allowed to idle their engines longer than 5 minutes while at the school due to this hazard. It is really hard to exists in such an unhealthy enviornment and many people do not realize how bad it really is. There are days when I do not open my window because the factory pollution has wafted upwind. Sad... > > > > > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine. > > > > > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, > > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse. > > > > > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it. > > > > > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html > > > > > > > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and > > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, > > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately > > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be > > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal- free > > vaccines. > > > > > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR > > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers > > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the > > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the > > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy > > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time, > > even if in another limb. > > > > > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely > > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures > > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example > > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew > > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty- four > > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury > > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received > > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos > > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal > in them. > > > > > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with > > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then > > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do > > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166 > > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the > > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical > > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major > > role in autism. > > > > > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point > > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish > > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of > > Autism " series of reports. > > > > > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html > > > > > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations > > > > > > > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol > in the > > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the > 15-18 > > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old > with > > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously > > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL > > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > > > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one > could > > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still > come up > > > Autistic. > > > > > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Hi Sharon Who says it has to be either/or? I think most parents on this board recognize the need to treat for whatever issues their child has (metal toxicity, viral/bacterial/fungal issues, thyroid issues, etc. etc.), to the best of their knowledge and ability. Most parents who have some experience treating their child biomedically know better than to think their child only struggles with one issue. For a lot of children Mercury IS one devil - among many. No one that I respect says that Mercury is the only culprit, or that it is always a problem for all children. best wishes René > and the measles vaccine causing > the immune system to attack the nerve/brain system of the body. That's why > some of us don't buy the mercury-is-the-devil thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Just for starters: In Texas there was a direct correlation between coal-firing power plants that emit mercury and autism/spec ed rates in nearby schools. The outlier with high spec ed where there was no power plant ended up being a community on top of an old merc mine. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of danasview Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Mercury/Immunizations >>It seems to me that ALL > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. Yes > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > Autistic. Other sources of mercury, lead, antimony, viruses, lots of potential sources and issues. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 That is a good point. Simialr to the autism cluster in Brick Township NJ. http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/01/autism.cluster/ > >>It seems to me that ALL > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones. > > Yes > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up > > Autistic. > > Other sources of mercury, lead, antimony, viruses, lots of potential > sources and issues. > > Dana > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Yep, I know for a fact that my son has metal toxicity as well as yeast and viral issues. And that is what I know of so far! joshisims <joshisims@...> wrote: Hi Sharon Who says it has to be either/or? I think most parents on this board recognize the need to treat for whatever issues their child has (metal toxicity, viral/bacterial/fungal issues, thyroid issues, etc. etc.), to the best of their knowledge and ability. Most parents who have some experience treating their child biomedically know better than to think their child only struggles with one issue. For a lot of children Mercury IS one devil - among many. No one that I respect says that Mercury is the only culprit, or that it is always a problem for all children. best wishes René > and the measles vaccine causing > the immune system to attack the nerve/brain system of the body. That's why > some of us don't buy the mercury-is-the-devil thinking. “If you think you are too small to be effective, you’ve never been in bed with a mosquito!” –Betty Reese “Uneducated people believe what they are told…Educated people question what they are told.” –Helen Keller --------------------------------- gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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