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This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the

shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18

month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with

Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

Autistic.

I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

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The MMR has never contained Mercury. It is, however, a live virus.

Some babies that are shot free may still be exposed to Mercury through their

mother's immunizations while pregnant. I, for example, had a flu shot as

recommended, while pregnant with my son. Mercury exposure can come from the

mother's dental amalgams. Mercury can come from the mother eating seafood

while pregnant.

You may want to have a look at Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May NOT

Tell You about Childhood Immunizations. "

Pamela

Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the

shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18

month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with

Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

Autistic.

I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

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You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine.

I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong, Hepatitis B

Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and childhood

vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot, which still contains

the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately two shots for each new infant.

The claim that thimerosal is out may be finally true, but the sage advice is to

insist on thimerosal-free vaccines.

The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR is a live,

attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers it's the combination

of measles with the mumps that causes the problems. Both are strongly

immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the immune system takes a triple whammy,

and of course, a quadruple whammy here in America because Chicken pox is also

given at the same time, even if in another limb.

With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely that many

children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures come from a variety of

sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example dental amalgams leak mercury

vapor. Coal fire power plants spew mercury in many cases by the ton into the air

we breath twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume

methylmercury containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have

received Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos used

in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them.

In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with autism and

never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then regressed into autism. So

which is correct? Some autism researchers do talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic

child as opposed to a 1 in 166 autistic child. I've read the genetics

opinionists view, but given the fact that an epidemic of genetics has never

been recorded in medical history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s)

play a major role in autism.

UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point when he

searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish communities scattered

throughout America as part of his " Age of Autism " series of reports.

And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

[ ] Mercury/Immunizations

This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the

shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18

month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with

Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

Autistic.

I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

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How come nobody ever mentions cars? Isn't there mercury in car

exhaust which most of us are exposed to rather directly every day?

Children and infants in strollers are closer to the exhaust too.

Somehow I feel like car exhaust is more harmful than tuna which

contains selenuim anyways and car exhaust just makes you feel worse.

Still, I think the vaccines are the worst.

Hope

>

> You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine.

>

> I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong,

Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

>

> You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

>

> http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

>

>

> The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and

childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot,

which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately

two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be

finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free

vaccines.

>

> The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR

is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers

it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the

immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy

here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time,

even if in another limb.

>

> With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely

that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures

come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example

dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four

hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury

containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received

Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos

used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal in them.

>

> In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with

autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then

regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do

talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166

autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the

fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical

history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major

role in autism.

>

> UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point

when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish

communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

Autism " series of reports.

>

> And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

>

> [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

>

>

> This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the

> shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18

> month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with

> Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

>

> I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

> give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

> Autistic.

>

> I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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There's always been car exhaust, but autism rates have not always been at

epidemic levels.

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>

>

> This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the

> shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18

> month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with

> Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

>

> I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

> give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

> Autistic.

>

> I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Libby,

It's a great question. Check in the file section of this group. There is a

file that was put together by a number of list members regarding the

MMR/viral/immune system connection to Autism. (Sorry - dont' remember the

file name.)

It's my belief that this is the issue for my son - that he had an immune

system response to the MMR (measles portion). The thinking goes like this

- the live virus causes the immune system to respond differently than it

normally would. There are chemicals generated that destroy the mylein

sheath in the brain, and nerve-endings in the gut. If a birth mother had

infections as simple as the common cold, during pregnancy, it puts the baby

at greater risk of having an immune system response. For my adopted son,

his birthmother had Type 2 Herpes - s-Hopkins has done quite a bit of

research on the mix of Herpes (and not just type 2, but even the common cold

sore variety which 90% of the people have) and the measles vaccine causing

the immune system to attack the nerve/brain system of the body. That's why

some of us don't buy the mercury-is-the-devil thinking. I have posted a

number of articles going down the viral/immune system path at my " blog " :

http://www.ericsons.net/?c=ViralResearch

Sharon

On 6/20/06, Libby <tinkerbellwasframed@...> wrote:

>

> This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol in the

> shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18

> month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with

> Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

>

>

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I wanted to add our experience to this discussion - my daughter had

speech issues early on, developed sensory issues by three, but was

not autistic until after her 4-yr vaccinations. Her DAN believes it

was her 4-yr MMR that put her " over the edge " and into autism. She

had a very gradual decline from age 4 to 5 - losing eye contact,

ability to connect, developing ocd behaviors, etc... By 4 yrs, 9

months, she was screaming 12 hours a day and into the night, finally

diagnosed at age 5. By then she was clearly autistic, although high-

functioning.

I used to believe you could not " become autistic " after age 4 (so I

was told). But if the immune system is impaired, and continues to

be violated, it makes sense it can happen at any age.

>

> You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine.

>

> I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong,

Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

>

> You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

>

> http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

>

>

> The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and

childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot,

which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately

two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may

be finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free

vaccines.

>

> The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR

is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers

it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the

immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple

whammy here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same

time, even if in another limb.

>

> With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely

that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures

come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For

example dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants

spew mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-

four hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume

methylmercury containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant.

Others have received Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal.

Even some placebos used in research projects have a full 25

micrograms of thimerosal in them.

>

> In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with

autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then

regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers

do talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166

autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given

the fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in

medical history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play

a major role in autism.

>

> UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point

when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish

communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

Autism " series of reports.

>

> And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

>

> [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

>

>

> This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol

in the

> shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the

15-18

> month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old

with

> Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

>

> I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one

could

> give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still

come up

> Autistic.

>

> I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>>It seems to me that ALL

> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

Yes

> I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

> give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

> Autistic.

Other sources of mercury, lead, antimony, viruses, lots of potential

sources and issues.

Dana

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> > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

> > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

> > Autistic.

I think in most of these cases you would find that the mother might

have some kind of autoimmune disorder, allergies etc. I think you

would not find a case of autism in a child whose parents, grandparents

.... never got vaccines. I believe that vaccines can be passed on from

mother to child, they can affect the DNA of the father and they can

even be caught from siblings and children who play closely together.

If I am not mistaken a colleague of Wakefield's has found high measles

titers in the unvaccinated siblings of children with autism. Human

beings, whatever their genetic make-up, were not meant to have viruses

and toxic elements injected directly into their blood and we have

really played around with humanity in ways that were not intended by

nature. This is really big and really awful. Most of us have no clue

until we experience the effects. It makes me so sad.

Hope

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> I used to believe you could not " become autistic " after age 4 (so I

> was told). But if the immune system is impaired, and continues to

> be violated, it makes sense it can happen at any age.

I personally know one who regressed at age 7. And there is someone on

this message board who has written about a regression at age 12.

Then there is alzheimer's.

Yes, any age.

Dana

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If there were no other sources of mercury (amalgams, fish,

factories, etc.) or other toxins suspected of contributing to autism

in the world but the vaccines remained the same would the autism

rate be the same? I would yes or darn close to it. On the flip

side, if there were no vaccines and all the other toxins remained

the same I don't think we would be here discussing this.

> >

> > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine.

> >

> > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong,

> Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

> >

> > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

> >

> > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

> >

> >

> > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and

> childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu

shot,

> which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and

unfortunately

> two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out

may be

> finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free

> vaccines.

> >

> > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it.

MMR

> is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism

researchers

> it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

> problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so

the

> immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple

whammy

> here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same

time,

> even if in another limb.

> >

> > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's

unlikely

> that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury

exposures

> come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For

example

> dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

> mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-

four

> hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume

methylmercury

> containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have

received

> Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some

placebos

> used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of

thimerosal in them.

> >

> > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born

with

> autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then

> regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism

researchers do

> talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166

> autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but

given the

> fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in

medical

> history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a

major

> role in autism.

> >

> > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting

point

> when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated

Amish

> communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

> Autism " series of reports.

> >

> > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

> >

> > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> >

> >

> > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is

Thermasol in the

> > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is

the 15-18

> > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr

old with

> > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids).

Obviously

> > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that

ALL

> > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> >

> > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no

one could

> > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still

come up

> > Autistic.

> >

> > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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You are right about that, Hope. I remember hearing this at a DAN!

Conference. There are documented cases where non-vaccinated siblings showed

high Measles titres. Presumably, this is from contact with their vaccinated

siblings.

Pamela

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you're scared. "

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Oh, I agree completely. Vaccines cause autism and the increase in the

vaccine schedule is responsible for the autism epidemic.

Still, if we mention tuna and coal I wonder why we don't mention car

exhaust. The number of cars on the road has increased a great deal in

the past 15 years. I don't think any of these things cause autism but

they are not good for our sensitive kids who have bad detox systems.

Hope

> >

> > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine.

> >

> > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong,

> Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

> >

> > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

> >

> > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

> >

> >

> > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and

> childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot,

> which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately

> two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be

> finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free

> vaccines.

> >

> > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR

> is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers

> it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

> problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the

> immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy

> here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time,

> even if in another limb.

> >

> > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely

> that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures

> come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example

> dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

> mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four

> hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury

> containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received

> Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos

> used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal

in them.

> >

> > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with

> autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then

> regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do

> talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166

> autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the

> fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical

> history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major

> role in autism.

> >

> > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point

> when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish

> communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

> Autism " series of reports.

> >

> > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

> >

> > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> >

> >

> > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol

in the

> > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the

15-18

> > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old

with

> > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> >

> > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one

could

> > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still

come up

> > Autistic.

> >

> > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Jumping in here with my 2 cents~!!

I believe there is a problem with every vaccine out there that kids are given.

I have been looking into this for about 4 1/2 years now and that is my belief.

They destroy a perfectly good immune system thus opening up the proverbial

Pandora's box of disease/disorders in our kids.

Car exhaust is destructive to our bodies and more so with many of our ASD kids

as they have already shown the inability to detox. That is why I read it is

recommended to make every effort to reduce all forms of toxins our kids come

into contact with. That means cleaners, body care products, bug spray,

sunscreen...anything that is toxic. We can't obviously eliminate everything but

the more we do the less going into their bodies. Natural cleaners aren't hard

to make either. I made a bottle of window cleaner for nothing as I had

everything already in my house. Works great too.

As far as vaccines, I have been learning a little more from a friend of mine

who is a PhD who has worked on vaccines herself. In her research she found that

anyone who breastfeeds and has immunity to something passes along that to their

infant. To vaccinate a breastfed child is stupid she says as the antigens in

the breastmilk soak up the vaccine and prevent the child from mounting a proper

immune response. That is why the vaccines have to be given over and over again

to get immunity levels in babies. She said that any vaccine she was going to

give her newborn wouldn't be given until she was done breastfeeding. The only

one she is interested in at all is the Hib because of the meningitis factor.

What she is researching right now is the possibility of being given the shot

herself thus passing along immunity to her daughter without having to inject all

the toxins into her. I just wanted to share this as I found it really

interesting!!!

As far as why some kids with no vaccines are still coming up autistic, I have

wondered this for some time now as well. I know with my one ASD son he was

vaccinated so there is no wondering about what caused his issues as he was born

in 1999 and got mostly Hg containing shots. Family history played a gigantic

role as well. There are 5 in my immediate family and all have moderate to major

vaccine damage. In my husband's family there is one sibling who is moderately

affected. We very well may have passed down memory cells that made it much

easier for our son to develop autism. Our second son we didn't vaccinate but he

is a Rhogam and dental work baby. From that exposure I am starting to believe

he has a mild form of asthma and likely is mildly ADD.

On the homeopathy board is a woman with two ASD boys who are both

unvaccinated. What she found with them though is that they had picked up

effects from vaccines other kids got. We are going to look into this with our

unvaccinated son as well since his asthma started about the same time as a few

kids at church got their one year shots. This woman though gave one or both

boys a remedy for vaccines and they showed clearing effects. It seems that like

with the flu shot other vaccines cause a shedding effect. We all know that

people who get the flu shot are contagious for about 2 weeks. It would seem

that other vaccinated people are also contagious. Her boys showed a lot of

improvement with the vaccine remedies even though they had not gotten the shots

themselves. This is one explanation as to why unvaccinated kids get ASD. Who

knows also if there was a mercury contamination where they live or are at

frequently. I remember breaking a Hg thermometer when I was a kid.

I know there wasn't proper cleanup of that. Any number of them have been

broken anywhere. A lot of light bulbs also contain Hg. There are many sources

but the effects are obviously neurological. Too many people are getting the

metals out of their kids and seeing amazing results.

Anyway, I just wanted to join in, I love discussions like this. Hope everyone

has a wonderful weekend...I will be celebrating my 10th anniversary with my

family this weekend!!!

parent616 <parent616@...> wrote:

Oh, I agree completely. Vaccines cause autism and the increase in the

vaccine schedule is responsible for the autism epidemic.

Still, if we mention tuna and coal I wonder why we don't mention car

exhaust. The number of cars on the road has increased a great deal in

the past 15 years. I don't think any of these things cause autism but

they are not good for our sensitive kids who have bad detox systems.

Hope

> >

> > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B vaccine.

> >

> > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is Wrong,

> Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

> >

> > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

> >

> > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

> >

> >

> > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant and

> childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu shot,

> which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and unfortunately

> two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is out may be

> finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-free

> vaccines.

> >

> > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves it. MMR

> is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism researchers

> it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

> problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella, so the

> immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a quadruple whammy

> here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same time,

> even if in another limb.

> >

> > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's unlikely

> that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury exposures

> come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For example

> dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

> mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-four

> hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume methylmercury

> containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have received

> Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some placebos

> used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of thimerosal

in them.

> >

> > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born with

> autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal then

> regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism researchers do

> talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in 166

> autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but given the

> fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in medical

> history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a major

> role in autism.

> >

> > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting point

> when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated Amish

> communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

> Autism " series of reports.

> >

> > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

> >

> > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> >

> >

> > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol

in the

> > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the

15-18

> > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old

with

> > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> >

> > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one

could

> > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still

come up

> > Autistic.

> >

> > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> You are right about that, Hope. I remember hearing this at a DAN!

> Conference. There are documented cases where non-vaccinated siblings

showed

> high Measles titres. Presumably, this is from contact with their

vaccinated

> siblings.

Yes, at AutismOne Wakefield suggested not allowing sibs to take baths

together, or anything that might permit fecal-oral contact, which is

how the vaccine-strain virus is being passed on. (OK, fecal-oral was

not the exact term he used but you get my drift :)

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The bathing thing I haven't heard about. I knew the old OPV could transmit

fecal-orally, I never thought about the others. How long after vaccination does

the bath-ban need to be in effect? I have always bathed my kids together as

they are so close in age.

Very interesting!!!

lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote:

>

> You are right about that, Hope. I remember hearing this at a DAN!

> Conference. There are documented cases where non-vaccinated siblings

showed

> high Measles titres. Presumably, this is from contact with their

vaccinated

> siblings.

Yes, at AutismOne Wakefield suggested not allowing sibs to take baths

together, or anything that might permit fecal-oral contact, which is

how the vaccine-strain virus is being passed on. (OK, fecal-oral was

not the exact term he used but you get my drift :)

Nell

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I don't know how legitimate the " un-leaded " part of gasoline is these days.

Perhaps one of our friendly chemistry professionals can answer the mercury in

car exhaust question?

[ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> >

> >

> > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol

in the

> > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the

15-18

> > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old

with

> > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously

> > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL

> > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> >

> > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one

could

> > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still

come up

> > Autistic.

> >

> > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I agree that car exhaust is nasty, but have never read or heard that it contains

mercury. Can you share where you read or heard that?

S S

How come nobody ever mentions cars? Isn't there mercury in car<br>

exhaust which most of us are exposed to rather directly every day? <br>

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Have you read Kirby's " Evidence of Harm " , Cave's " What Your

Doctor May NOT Tell You About Childhood Vaccines " , and Barbara Loe-Fisher's " A

Shot in the Dark " . It was the DPT that triggered my nephew's autism.

S S

<p>This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is Thermasol

in the<br>

shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is the 15-18<br>

month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr old with<br>

Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids). Obviously<br>

we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that ALL<br>

shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.<br>

<br>

I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could<br>

give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up<br>

Autistic.<br>

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Your friend has an interesting point except it sounds like she is forgetting

about one very important thing. Most of the moms we are talking about, ie

you and me and the women of our generation are the first mothers to be fully

vaccinated in the first place. We are incapable of passing the kind of

immunity to our children that our mothers passed to us. I believe even

those of us with moms who did NOT nurse were capable of passing a basic

immunity in utero that we simply cant pass (and I have breast fed both my

children; and I am a big advocate; and I am not saying it doesn't help etc

etc). What our society has done in the last generation is an enormous

experiment of still indeterminate consequences. But the fact that these

kids are coming from vaccinated mothers surely hasn't helped. You know?

Josie

Lvchef.wrote..

" As far as vaccines, I have been learning a little more from a friend of

mine who is a PhD who has worked on vaccines herself. In her research she

found that anyone who breastfeeds and has immunity to something passes along

that to their infant. To vaccinate a breastfed child is stupid she says as

the antigens in the breastmilk soak up the vaccine and prevent the child

from mounting a proper immune response. That is why the vaccines have to be

given over and over again to get immunity levels in babies. She said that

any vaccine she was going to give her newborn wouldn't be given until she

was done breastfeeding. The only one she is interested in at all is the Hib

because of the meningitis factor. What she is researching right now is the

possibility of being given the shot herself thus passing along immunity to

her daughter without having to inject all the toxins into her. I just wanted

to share this as I found it really interesting!!! "

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I have read that Car exhaust contains antimony. I have not heard of

mercury though. You would have to look into the by products of

gasoline combustion. ut gasoline fumes themselves cause cancer, so

the by products probably are just as bad. I know that if you have an

antique auto say 1940's with the original engine, you have to add a

leaded additive for it to run right. More than likely most sources

of lead, and mercury are comming out of industry. They are mass

pollutors. And I am only stating what I learned based on my research

of environmental pollutio. I feel that mercury directly introduced

into the body via needle or fillings is far more poisonous in a far

higher concentration that whatever is in car exhaust. But I do agree

that car exhaust is not healthy. I can tell you that diesel

exhaust/fumes is known to cause cancer. In our area they have a

regulation that school buses are not allowed to idle their engines

longer than 5 minutes while at the school due to this hazard.

It is really hard to exists in such an unhealthy enviornment and

many people do not realize how bad it really is. There are days when

I do not open my window because the factory pollution has wafted

upwind. Sad...

> > >

> > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B

vaccine.

> > >

> > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is

Wrong,

> > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

> > >

> > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

> > >

> > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

> > >

> > >

> > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant

and

> > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu

shot,

> > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and

unfortunately

> > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is

out may be

> > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-

free

> > vaccines.

> > >

> > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves

it. MMR

> > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism

researchers

> > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

> > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella,

so the

> > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a

quadruple whammy

> > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same

time,

> > even if in another limb.

> > >

> > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's

unlikely

> > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury

exposures

> > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For

example

> > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

> > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-

four

> > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume

methylmercury

> > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have

received

> > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some

placebos

> > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of

thimerosal

> in them.

> > >

> > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born

with

> > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal

then

> > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism

researchers do

> > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in

166

> > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but

given the

> > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in

medical

> > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a

major

> > role in autism.

> > >

> > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting

point

> > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated

Amish

> > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

> > Autism " series of reports.

> > >

> > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

> > >

> > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> > >

> > >

> > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is

Thermasol

> in the

> > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is

the

> 15-18

> > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr

old

> with

> > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids).

Obviously

> > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that

ALL

> > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> > >

> > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no

one

> could

> > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free

still

> come up

> > > Autistic.

> > >

> > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Sharon

Who says it has to be either/or? I think most parents on this board

recognize the need to treat for whatever issues their child has

(metal toxicity, viral/bacterial/fungal issues, thyroid issues, etc.

etc.), to the best of their knowledge and ability. Most parents who

have some experience treating their child biomedically know better

than to think their child only struggles with one issue. For a lot

of children Mercury IS one devil - among many.

No one that I respect says that Mercury is the only culprit, or that

it is always a problem for all children.

best wishes

René

>

and the measles vaccine causing

> the immune system to attack the nerve/brain system of the body.

That's why

> some of us don't buy the mercury-is-the-devil thinking.

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Just for starters:

In Texas there was a direct correlation between coal-firing power plants

that emit mercury and autism/spec ed rates in nearby schools. The outlier

with high spec ed where there was no power plant ended up being a community

on top of an old merc mine.

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Subject: [ ] Re: Mercury/Immunizations

>>It seems to me that ALL

> shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

Yes

> I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one could

> give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still come up

> Autistic.

Other sources of mercury, lead, antimony, viruses, lots of potential

sources and issues.

Dana

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That is a good point. Simialr to the autism cluster in Brick

Township NJ.

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/01/autism.cluster/

> >>It seems to me that ALL

> > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

>

> Yes

>

> > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no one

could

> > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free still

come up

> > Autistic.

>

> Other sources of mercury, lead, antimony, viruses, lots of

potential

> sources and issues.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Yep, I know for a fact that my son has metal toxicity as well as yeast and viral

issues.

And that is what I know of so far!

joshisims <joshisims@...> wrote:

Hi Sharon

Who says it has to be either/or? I think most parents on this board

recognize the need to treat for whatever issues their child has

(metal toxicity, viral/bacterial/fungal issues, thyroid issues, etc.

etc.), to the best of their knowledge and ability. Most parents who

have some experience treating their child biomedically know better

than to think their child only struggles with one issue. For a lot

of children Mercury IS one devil - among many.

No one that I respect says that Mercury is the only culprit, or that

it is always a problem for all children.

best wishes

René

>

and the measles vaccine causing

> the immune system to attack the nerve/brain system of the body.

That's why

> some of us don't buy the mercury-is-the-devil thinking.

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