Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

[Guest guest]

It's pretty much because he doesn't follow DAN protocol and has had some very

choice words for DAN doctors (he doesn't exactly sugar-coat his comments), so it

was decided on CK2 that talking about Andy would just lead to too much arguement

and contraversy - at least that's my take on it. I just use both lists and get

what I can from any and all philosophies.

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From: " myparkerg " <myparkerg@...>

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg@...

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

I’m interested in this also.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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Subject: [ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg (DOT) <mailto:myparkerg%40> com

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, thats what I was thinking...but that seems ashame.

DAN! doctors are just human after all, I'm sure there are more than

a few that deserve a good thrashing. As a parent I want to know ALL

the opinions good and bad so that I can do what I think is right for

my babies. Do you know why ALA would cause gut bugs??

>

> It's pretty much because he doesn't follow DAN protocol and has

had some very choice words for DAN doctors (he doesn't exactly sugar-

coat his comments), so it was decided on CK2 that talking about Andy

would just lead to too much arguement and contraversy - at least

that's my take on it. I just use both lists and get what I can from

any and all philosophies.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " myparkerg " <myparkerg@...>

> Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

> Cutler?

> It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't

understand

> why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

> I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

> about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

> Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

> myparkerg@...

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks, thats what I was thinking...but that seems ashame.

> DAN! doctors are just human after all, I'm sure there are more than

> a few that deserve a good thrashing. As a parent I want to know ALL

> the opinions good and bad so that I can do what I think is right for

> my babies. Do you know why ALA would cause gut bugs??

>

I didn't understand that myself -- and I had the same query about why

AC is off limits. -

[Guest guest]

I'm guessing the controversy is that Andy is a very straight-forward,

put-it-in-your-face, take-it-or-leave-it kind of man who can make a fragile

parent (as we all are going through this) feel offended if his comments are

taken out of context.

From my personal experience and reading all of his posts I possibly can, I feel

confident saying he is only trying to get a point across and to get anxious

parents to calm down and do exactly what they need to do.

In the 16 months I've been here and seeing two different DAN's all the while, I

can also say this...

Andy's protocol has never changed. He always hits the nail on the head, and he

has never, ever steered my family wrong. My daughter has recovered using his

protocol. What he said then holds true now. We had no regression, only slow azd

noticeable improvements.

In those same 16 months I have seen the DAN protocol change about 6 times. Use

glutathione, don't use glutathione...TD-DMPS for everyone, then not...ALA maybe,

ALA maybe not...transdermal doesn't cause yeast, then it does...and on and on

and on.

I believe the DAN's are learning, and that the good ones are tweaking and

changing as they get better and see what works and what doesn't. I am thankful

for the guidance they have given us, and I wouldn't trade the opportunity to

work with the great one I am now.

However, I attribute my daughter's recovery to one man and one man alone. Andy

Cutler. We are forever indebted.

I think whatever issues anyone has with him ultimately have to do with the man,

not his science. And that's too bad. He has a lot to contribute to our

children's lives.

--------- [ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg (DOT) <mailto:myparkerg%40> com

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

These will give you a flavor:

/message/100067

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?highlight=andrewhallcutler%20DAN

/message/129186

W.

[Guest guest]

Andy used to be on this group a lot. He is pretty direct about his point of

view and sometimes that offends people.

Andy's protocol has helped many kids. Some have recovered completely using it.

Barb

[ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg@...

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

I see the point. I guess saying... " So you have a field largely filled

with crazy, arrogant, ignorant doctors who will believe whatever

fantastic story some other doctor tells them " does seem a little harsh

(lol).

Still I think ALA sounds like a good idea...

I am thinking about capsules during the day and td-rla at night so I

don't have to wake the little guy up.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Therese

(Mom to 2.3 years old ASD nonverbal)

>

> These will give you a flavor:

>

> /message/100067

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?highlight=andrewhallcutler%

20DAN

> /message/129186

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

Therese, I don't think mixing TD-RALA and regular ALA in a round is a

good idea. There isn't enough information on how transdermals work,

rate of absorbtion, etc. to assure that your child is getting the

same dose of ALA around the clock if you mix trasdermals and oral.

Also, all of the studies on ALA as a chelator have been done using

regular ALA, not R-ALA so the use of R-ALA is experimental. I would

choose to use either TD-ALA all of the time or oral ALA all of the

time. Many of us successfully use oral chelators at night by either

putting divided doses into a syringe and squirting it in (often the

child will automatically suck without waking), or into soft food like

applesauce. My son takes his doses more easily when he is asleep

than when he is awake!

best wishes

René

> >

> > These will give you a flavor:

> >

> > /message/100067

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> 20DAN

> > /message/129186

> >

> > W.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Andy tells parents that they can chelate without a doc, some people don't like

mere mortals taking their health and the health of their children into their own

hands and questioning " professionals " . He's a non-doc who understands the

science which bothers some people. Andy explains the science to us " mere

mortals " in a way we understand and explains that some of what some of the docs

do in unnecessary, a waste of time and money, not useful, and sometimes

dangerous. This takes business/money away from docs and other " professionals " .

S S

> From: " myparkerg " <myparkerg@.<wbr>..> <br>

> Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy <br>

> Cutler? <br>

> It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't <br>

understand <br>

> why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??<br>

> I read about him and he sounds reasonable..<wbr>.I heard something bad <br>

> about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?<br>

> Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me. <br>

> myparkerg@..<wbr>.<br>

> <br>

> Thanks!!<br>

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Outstanding reponse .

>

> > From: " myparkerg " <myparkerg@<wbr>..> <br>

> > Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about

Andy <br>

> > Cutler? <br>

> > It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't <br>

> understand <br>

> > why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??<br>

> > I read about him and he sounds reasonable..<wbr>.I heard

something bad <br>

> > about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?<br>

> > Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me. <br>

> > myparkerg@<wbr>.<br>

> > <br>

> > Thanks!!<br>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My DAN actually started treating autism people about 25 years ago,

starting with treating their allergies. He is very close to what Andy

states and we follow medical tests for supplements.

M

RE: [ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

I'm guessing the controversy is that Andy is a very straight-forward,

put-it-in-your-face, take-it-or-leave-it kind of man who can make a

fragile parent (as we all are going through this) feel offended if his

comments are taken out of context.

From my personal experience and reading all of his posts I possibly can,

I feel confident saying he is only trying to get a point across and to

get anxious parents to calm down and do exactly what they need to do.

In the 16 months I've been here and seeing two different DAN's all the

while, I can also say this...

Andy's protocol has never changed. He always hits the nail on the head,

and he has never, ever steered my family wrong. My daughter has

recovered using his protocol. What he said then holds true now. We had

no regression, only slow azd noticeable improvements.

In those same 16 months I have seen the DAN protocol change about 6

times. Use glutathione, don't use glutathione...TD-DMPS for everyone,

then not...ALA maybe, ALA maybe not...transdermal doesn't cause yeast,

then it does...and on and on and on.

I believe the DAN's are learning, and that the good ones are tweaking

and changing as they get better and see what works and what doesn't. I

am thankful for the guidance they have given us, and I wouldn't trade

the opportunity to work with the great one I am now.

However, I attribute my daughter's recovery to one man and one man

alone. Andy Cutler. We are forever indebted.

I think whatever issues anyone has with him ultimately have to do with

the man, not his science. And that's too bad. He has a lot to contribute

to our children's lives.

--------- [ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg (DOT) <mailto:myparkerg%40> com

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

Personally, I think Andy brings common sense to politics and confusion.

Some people don't like that.

RE: [ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

I'm guessing the controversy is that Andy is a very straight-forward,

put-it-in-your-face, take-it-or-leave-it kind of man who can make a

fragile parent (as we all are going through this) feel offended if his

comments are taken out of context.

From my personal experience and reading all of his posts I possibly can,

I feel confident saying he is only trying to get a point across and to

get anxious parents to calm down and do exactly what they need to do.

In the 16 months I've been here and seeing two different DAN's all the

while, I can also say this...

Andy's protocol has never changed. He always hits the nail on the head,

and he has never, ever steered my family wrong. My daughter has

recovered using his protocol. What he said then holds true now. We had

no regression, only slow azd noticeable improvements.

In those same 16 months I have seen the DAN protocol change about 6

times. Use glutathione, don't use glutathione...TD-DMPS for everyone,

then not...ALA maybe, ALA maybe not...transdermal doesn't cause yeast,

then it does...and on and on and on.

I believe the DAN's are learning, and that the good ones are tweaking

and changing as they get better and see what works and what doesn't. I

am thankful for the guidance they have given us, and I wouldn't trade

the opportunity to work with the great one I am now.

However, I attribute my daughter's recovery to one man and one man

alone. Andy Cutler. We are forever indebted.

I think whatever issues anyone has with him ultimately have to do with

the man, not his science. And that's too bad. He has a lot to contribute

to our children's lives.

--------- [ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg (DOT) <mailto:myparkerg%40> com

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

For what its worth I disagree with the NOT using combination of

using TD and oral. I think its ok. As long as there is continual

circulatory ALA in the body there is chelatation happening. Its

just not that exact of a measurement. A 100mg capsule can contain

anywhere from 75mg to 125mg of ALA due to the + or _ tolerance that

is typically given. During the waking hours we do oral when he has

food in his tummy and at night we do TD-ALA. Something else to

consider is ALA is harsh on the esophagus and waking the child up at

night and having them take a pill quickly and immediately lay back

down can cause problems. The squeeze bottle of liquid is a good idea.

> > >

> > > These will give you a flavor:

> > >

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/100067

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

> highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> > 20DAN

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/129186

> > >

> > > W.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It's funny, people use Ala all the time on this board and somehow

manage, but people on other boards are told not to use Ala because it

causes yeast.

IME yeast *before chelation was unmanageable. I had n on SCD, no

sugar, with one or two antifungals every day along with Candex.

Couldn't get on top of it. What chelation did was put the yeast on a

schedule, lol. It would get worse on the second day, I had to smack it

hard for three days to get it semi-controlled etc. But was it worse

than before chelation? No.

The yeast from antivirals was WAY worse than anything chelation

stirred up, by a factor of a gazillion.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> These will give you a flavor:

>

> /message/100067

>

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?highlight=andrewhallcutler%20DAN

> /message/129186

>

> W.

Aww, I miss Andy! I have to say that my experiences with doctors,

alternative and mainstream and DAN, over the last bunch of years, have

been exactly as Andy describes. I really think med school screws with

the thinking process in a completely unhelpful way. It's rare for

someone to be able to break out of the clubbiness and be at all

interested in figuring out problems.

Thanks for posting those, .

Nell

Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Andy's protocol has never changed. He always hits the nail on the

>head, and he has never, ever steered my family wrong. My daughter has

>recovered using his protocol. What he said then holds true now. We

>had no regression, only slow azd noticeable improvements.

I can say exactly the same. My son lost his diagnosis thanks to Andy,

and I'm in a lot better shape than I was when I first got here. Every

time I go back to read through " Amalgam Illness " I find some other

little detail that's right on the money, from the itchy dry spot on my

ankle to the reason I can't handle novocaine at the dentist's. It's

actually spooky to be reading along and keep mumbing, " Yes! I have that! "

And I know we've talked about this before, but something about Andy's

tone made me instantly believe him. Without Andy, n would be

headed to some bad places by now, no doubt in my mind. I owe him

everything.

Nell

[Guest guest]

It very well could be that I'm doing it wrong, wouldn't be the first

time and certainly not that last. I do know when he is chelating

with my " exclusive, highly proprietary combo protocol " of ALA he is

is happier and a more laid back kid. Go figure.

I do recall something with Andy stating not good idea to mixing the

two like doing a half a day with ALA only then switch to DMSA only

or something else.

> > > >

> > > > These will give you a flavor:

> > > >

> > > > Autism-

> Mercury/message/100067

> > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

> > highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> > > 20DAN

> > > > Autism-

> Mercury/message/129186

> > > >

> > > > W.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That makes sense which is why I do the following.

My son is 130 pounds and for the oral I give him 50mg every 3 hours

which is on the higher end of the scale. For the night time TD dose

it is 100 mg every 3 hours. So even if his TD ALA is only 25%

absorbtion he is still getting 25 mg which falls with in the 1/8 to

1/2 mg per body weight. He is probably getting more than that

since ALA has a molecular weight of around 200 I and it is

considered low which means it is easliy absorbed into the blood

stream as a TD.

> > > >

> > > > These will give you a flavor:

> > > >

> > > > Autism-

> Mercury/message/100067

> > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

> > highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> > > 20DAN

> > > > Autism-

> Mercury/message/129186

> > > >

> > > > W.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

[ ] Andy Cutler Controversy?

Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

Cutler?

It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't understand

why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

myparkerg@...

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/08/2006 22:56:24 GMT Daylight Time,

jromkema@... writes:

Andy used to be on this group a lot. He is pretty direct about his point of

view and sometimes that offends people.

>>He says he does this because if he is nicey nicey nobody listens.

He doesn't care what people think, he wants for kids not to get hurt and to

actually get better.

He's my hero

Long live Andy Cutler!!

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

But why not just stick with transdermals all the time, then?

René

>

>

> In a message dated 12/08/2006 01:03:16 GMT Daylight Time,

> Ladyshrink111@... writes:

>

> Don't know for sure, but thinking Andy would never think mixing

the forms of

> chelators a good idea, maybe we should ask? Maybe something in

the archives.

>

>

>

> >>He doesn't think its a good idea but as I recall, bettter than

nothing if

> there is no other way to get it in at night - could be wrong though

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

1. Td is more time consuming.

2. TD is more expensive.

3. You want make sure the skin you apply it to is clean. If your

child is all sweaty and \or dirty from playing during the day I

would think the absorbtion rate would decrease.

My son gets a bath every night before bed on the days we are

chelationg and I was the areas we apply it well.

In , " joshisims " <joshisims@...>

wrote:

>

> But why not just stick with transdermals all the time, then?

>

> René

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/08/2006 01:03:16 GMT Daylight Time,

> > Ladyshrink111@ writes:

> >

> > Don't know for sure, but thinking Andy would never think mixing

> the forms of

> > chelators a good idea, maybe we should ask? Maybe something in

> the archives.

> >

> >

> >

> > >>He doesn't think its a good idea but as I recall, bettter

than

> nothing if

> > there is no other way to get it in at night - could be wrong

though

> >

> > Mandi in UK

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I recommend Andy's Book for every household

no one should be without it IMHO.

Even if you choose not to use his protocol it is an excellent reference guide

along with an easy to read text.

http://www.noamalgam.com/

http://home.earthlink.net/~aprokofiew/

We live in a world in which we need to share responsibility.

It's easy to say " It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my

problem. "

Then there are those who see the need and respond.

I consider those people my heroes. -- Fred " Mr. " , Children's TV Show

Star

[Guest guest]

ALA is easily available without a prescription...Some people are opposed to it

for that reason.

S S

><br>

> It's funny, people use Ala all the time on this board and somehow<br>

manage, but people on other boards are told not to use Ala because it<br>

causes yeast.<br>

<br>

IME yeast *before chelation was unmanageable. I had n on SCD, no<br>

sugar, with one or two antifungals every day along with Candex.<br>

Couldn't get on top of it. What chelation did was put the yeast on a<br>

schedule, lol. It would get worse on the second day, I had to smack it<br>

hard for three days to get it semi-controlled etc. But was it worse<br>

than before chelation? No.<br>

<br>

The yeast from antivirals was WAY worse than anything chelation<br>

stirred up, by a factor of a gazillion.<br>

<br>

Nell<br>

<br>

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