IQ Test

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In a message dated 2/2/01 10:56:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,

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> BUT in some states, ASD will obtain more services with less

> hassle because it gives yur child a dual diagnosis of MR/MH.

>

> Sara, I'm with you.....I used to let 's I.Q. numbers bother me, but

hell, I know what he can do better than any professional does! And anyway,

you WANT them to test low, at least as far as services go.....I know that

sounds bad, but it's the truth.

My ECI therapist for once told me that she serviced a child with DS that

had normal IQ.......would you believe she couldn't get any services from MHMR

because she HAD to have an IQ of less than 70?? Hers was like right at 70 or

71....still had DS, still had MR, but because of the numbers, she couldn't

qualify!

Tell me that's not ludicrous!

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IQ testing has to be the worst model of helping people. Having said that,

from my experience, we all need to MAKE SURE that before our children reach

age 21, their IQ's are on record in a VISABLE place as below 69.

This is necessary UNESS our kids become so obviously able to function that

they won't need the services available to the more disAbled.

EXPERIENCE: Friend with a son, now age 31. MR unspecified since brain

damage at age two from fever convulsions complicated by deafness. He works

in a lumber yard as a laborer and drives(!!!!), he can read at a 3rd grade

level (which tells you the level of PA driving tests) but he cannot handle

money, he is socially naive, he cannot shop alone because of money issues,

he cannot live alone, cannot manage cooking as he never can remember to turn

off a stove. But his IQ was recorded at age 10 as 72 so he cannot get

services even if he now tests lower BECAUSE to get services for MR, he must

have a recorded IQ before age 21. The one possible loophole is if his

parents go to court to have him adjudicated as incompetant. They are

debating this now so that perhaps he could get services for a supervised

living situation.

Life is hell but it beats some alternatives I have heard about!

Sara

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My IQ tests between 135 and 145, the main variable being how much attention i am paying to the test as I am taking it.

I know people whop have never been educated but who possess much more common sense and intellect than their educated counterparts that scored higher than they did on IQ tests.

Tom does have something of a point here, if it is generalized. Those people do exist, but they are not all that common. I know a few uneducated people and they don't have much common sense either. Then again, I also know educated people who don't have much common sense.

What might be interesting is a wisdom test. From all the stories I have heard, my great grandfather was a very wise man and would often explain points with parables, not religious ones but more real life ones that people could easily see how they related to the condition at hand.

Here is a question I was asked by his forester, a man who is still alive:

A truck is driving across a farm with three people inside. Which one is the farmer?

Any guesses and why did you give that answer?

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 3:28:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nancygailus@... writes:

Well, since you asked..

The farmer is the one driving the truck. He is driving the farmhands around to get the chores done.

Interesting observation, but that's not it.

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Tom,

You have over thought this. The farmer is one of the people in the truck.

Very well, I'll tell you the answer.

When driving around on the farm, a common obstacle is gates. The only person who would never have to get out to open the gate is the person in middle seat. Because the farmer owns the place and has the most experience with this kind of thing, he takes the middle seat so he doesn't have to open the gates.

I can tell you from personal experience that gate duty is no fun.

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Has anyone had an " official " IQ test? I took an online IQ test recently and

scored 131. I don't know if the test is valid or not. I really don't know

the purpose of IQ tests.

Here's where I took the online IQ test:

http://www.tickle.com/

Has anyone did the online test AND do an " official " IQ test? How do the

numbers compare?

Dan

> Hello maYa. I'm Nick. It sounds to me, alot of what you're getting at

> has to do with the problems of all good people.

> Sidis was

> misunderstood and he had the highest recorded I.Q. ranging from 250-

> 300. Albert Einstein was around 166, that's still very high. Anyway,

> Einstein had a quote that reads: " Great spirits have always

> encountered

> violent opposition from mediocre minds " .

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I have taken the tickle IQ test and came out 128, When I went to the Dr to get diagnosed with aspergers I mentioned the test to him, He said I was 135 at the lowest and that no IQ test would ever measure me properly, because of my aspergers and some other issues. I would advise take it with a grain of salt. BethDan Corrigan <dan@...> wrote: Has anyone had an "official" IQ test? I took an online IQ test recently andscored 131. I don't know if the test is valid or not. I really don't knowthe purpose of IQ tests.Here's where I took the online IQ test:http://www.tickle.com/Has anyone did the online test AND do an "official" IQ test? How do thenumbers compare?Dan> Hello maYa. I'm Nick. It sounds to me,

alot of what you're getting at> has to do with the problems of all good people. > Sidis was> misunderstood and he had the highest recorded I.Q. ranging from 250-> 300. Albert Einstein was around 166, that's still very high. Anyway,> Einstein had a quote that reads: "Great spirits have always > encountered> violent opposition from mediocre minds".

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I think Beth and I must be twins.

The Tickle test (138) came near my official IQ (132) but ANY

intelligence quotient test results will very each time you take THE

VERY SAME TEST. It depends on environemntal conditions, distractions,

the dispostion of both the test-taker and administrator, etc.

An IQ test is meant to be both an indicator of mental and social

intelligence and also a comparator. In other words: " This is how

intelligent you are, and this is how inteliigent you are to other

people.

People with " normal " intelligence fall into the 84 to 116 range. 116

to 132 are above average. 132 to 148 is sub genius, and anything above

148 is in the genuis category.

Test results will vary with the type of test given, but if you fall

within a general category after taking the same test many times over

or by getting similar test results from many different tests, then it

is safe to say that you indeed fall into the indicated category.

One factor not taken into account on the Tickle test incidentally is

the ability to receive and act upon verbal instructions. The ability

to do so is also thought to be an indicator of intelligence, and test

administrators factor this ability into the overall score. While this

extra scoring is subjective, the skill being evaluated is probably

valid.

All this stuff is what I learned in my educational psychology classes

anyway.

Tom

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Has anyone had an " official " IQ test? I took an online IQ test

recently and scored 131. I don't know if the test is valid or not. I

really don't know the purpose of IQ tests.

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I don't like to share my IQ because it categorizes people but since

you're all Aspies and we seem alike, I've taken several ranging from

130-150. The one I took as a child was 150, one I took online was 150

something, one given as a teenager was 130 something, another online

was 130 something.

I think it's kind of a narrow test and there's a lot of intelligent

people out there who don't score high, it also assumes certain things

learned and a certain type of reasoning which is mainstream.

>

> Has anyone had an " official " IQ test? I took an online IQ test

recently and

> scored 131. I don't know if the test is valid or not. I really

don't know

> the purpose of IQ tests.

>

> Here's where I took the online IQ test:

> http://www.tickle.com/

>

> Has anyone did the online test AND do an " official " IQ test? How do

the

> numbers compare?

>

> Dan

>

> > Hello maYa. I'm Nick. It sounds to me, alot of what you're

getting at

> > has to do with the problems of all good people.

> > Sidis was

> > misunderstood and he had the highest recorded I.Q. ranging from

250-

> > 300. Albert Einstein was around 166, that's still very high.

Anyway,

> > Einstein had a quote that reads: " Great spirits have always

> > encountered

> > violent opposition from mediocre minds " .

>

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" I don't like to share my IQ because it categorizes people but since

you're all Aspies and we seem alike, I've taken several ranging from

130-150. "

Even if you didn't share, anyone can see that you are extremely

intelligent anyhow.

" I think it's kind of a narrow test and there's a lot of intelligent

people out there who don't score high, it also assumes certain things

learned and a certain type of reasoning which is mainstream. "

You are right in saying that it is narrow. It's questions are

designed by people who believe that they have correctly assessed the

general populace and figured out what the intellectual norm is. Such

a test can hardly be purely objective.

I know people whop have never been educated but who possess much

more common sense and intellect than their educated counterparts

that scored higher than they did on IQ tests.

IQ tests should be valued only for their ability to quantify people

within the parameters of the " intellectual norm " of the society in

which it was constructed, and grace should be given for those who

demographically fall outside the control group.

Thanks for bringing this up . You are very wise.

Tom

Administator

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I took someone's online test, may have been Inger's. Twice. Came out with 143 & 146. Keep in mind that Aspies are never lacking in the intelligence department. Dan Corrigan <dan@...> wrote: Has anyone had an "official" IQ test? I took an online IQ test recently andscored 131. I don't know if the test is valid or not. I really don't knowthe purpose of IQ tests.Here's where I took the online IQ test:http://www.tickle.com/Has anyone did the online test AND do an "official" IQ test? How do thenumbers compare?Dan> Hello maYa. I'm Nick. It sounds to me, alot of what you're getting at> has to do with the problems of all good people. > Sidis was> misunderstood and he had the highest recorded

I.Q. ranging from 250-> 300. Albert Einstein was around 166, that's still very high. Anyway,> Einstein had a quote that reads: "Great spirits have always > encountered> violent opposition from mediocre minds". If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com

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I took someone's online test, may have been Inger's. Twice. Came out with 143 & 146. Keep in mind that Aspies are never lacking in the intelligence department. Dan Corrigan <dan@...> wrote: Has anyone had an "official" IQ test? I took an online IQ test recently andscored 131. I don't know if the test is valid or not. I really don't knowthe purpose of IQ tests.Here's where I took the online IQ test:http://www.tickle.com/Has anyone did the online test AND do an "official" IQ test? How do thenumbers compare?Dan> Hello maYa. I'm Nick. It sounds to me, alot of what you're getting at> has to do with the problems of all good people. > Sidis was> misunderstood and he had the highest recorded

I.Q. ranging from 250-> 300. Albert Einstein was around 166, that's still very high. Anyway,> Einstein had a quote that reads: "Great spirits have always > encountered> violent opposition from mediocre minds". If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com

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Well, since you asked.. The farmer is the one driving the truck. He is driving the farmhands around to get the chores done.VISIGOTH@... wrote: My IQ tests between 135 and 145, the main variable being how much attention i am paying to the test as I am taking it. I know people whop have never been educated but who possess much more common sense and intellect than their educated counterparts that scored higher than they did on IQ tests. Tom does have something of a point here, if it is generalized. Those people do exist, but they are not all that common. I know a few

uneducated people and they don't have much common sense either. Then again, I also know educated people who don't have much common sense. What might be interesting is a wisdom test. From all the stories I have heard, my great grandfather was a very wise man and would often explain points with parables, not religious ones but more real life ones that people could easily see how they related to the condition at hand. Here is a question I was asked by his forester, a man who is still alive: A truck is driving across a farm with three people inside. Which one is the farmer? Any guesses and why did you give that answer? If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com Heckofreelance proofreadernancygailus@...

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We have no way of knowing.

The fact that the truck was ON the farm doesn't mean that the farmer

was in the truck.

Also, you did not specify where " inside is. "

If there are three people inside the the truck, we have no idea if

the farmer is in the truck.

If it's a farm with three people inside the farm, one of them MIGHT

be the farmer.

But not enough information is given for us to know where the farmer

is.

The short answer is that " The farmer is the one who owns the farm. "

Tom

Administrator

A truck is driving across a farm with three people inside. Which one

is the farmer?

Any guesses and why did you give that answer?

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>: " A truck is driving across a farm with three people inside. Which one is the farmer?Any guesses and why did you give that answer?"The DRIVER.A vehicle on a farm MOST LIKELY belongs to the proprietor of the farm. Said vehicle is MOST LIKELY driven by the proprietor of said farm. A FARMER is the most likely person to be 'surveying' his land.    Rainbow

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I think the farmer is tied up in the back of the truck, while the other two

are running the truck all over his/her crops. :-)

Inger

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> Here is a question I was asked by his forester, a man who is still

alive:

>

> A truck is driving across a farm with three people inside. Which one

is the

> farmer?

>

> Any guesses and why did you give that answer?

>

>

>

None of them because the farmer would not drive across his fields!

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:) Inger, we think so alike!

I wish we could make a recording of our laughter when we respond to a

funny post. That would add so much to the posting. I love hearing

laughter and I love laughing, myself. I'm sure you would have like to

hear my outburst of laughter!

>

> I think the farmer is tied up in the back of the truck, while the

other two

> are running the truck all over his/her crops. :-)

>

> Inger

>

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It's a good riddle , but it needs to be told differently. Not

all farms are fenced in or have gates. Drive through Nebraska and

you will see corn, corn, and more corn, and not fences or gates on

many of these farms.

Also, even if the farm has gates, there is still nothing in the

riddle to suggest that the people in the truck aren't anything but

farmhands regardless.

The fact that you've ASKED which one is the farmer doesn't mean the

farmer is actually in the truck. You should state

unequivically: " The farmer is in the truck. But which one is he? "

Even so, gate or no gate, the answer would be the same, because how

do we know whether the truck is going to leave the farm. If the

truck belongs to the farm, the truck belongs parked on it somewhere.

Also, trucks don't drive themselves. People do.

Tom (over analysing again...but that's why I am Aspie!)

Tom,

You have over thought this. The farmer is one of the people in the

truck.

Very well, I'll tell you the answer.

When driving around on the farm, a common obstacle is gates. The

only person who would never have to get out to open the gate is the

person in middle seat. Because the farmer owns the place and has the

most experience with this kind of thing, he takes the middle seat so

he doesn't have to open the gates.

I can tell you from personal experience that gate duty is no fun.

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>: "A truck is driving across a farm with three people inside. Which one is the farmer?">Tom: "Also, you did not specify where "inside is."A truck ...... with three people inside.? Grammatically it is understood that the 'three people' are 'inside' the truck.>Tom: "But not enough information is given for us to know where the farmer is."True, but 'most' farmers do not have chauffeurs. So.....>Tom: "We have no way of knowing."True, but it all comes down to 'probabilities'.  Rainbow

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I would love to hear you laugh!

I often burst out laughing myself, especially at Rainbow's many witty

one-liners. :-)

Inger

Re: IQ Test

:) Inger, we think so alike!

I wish we could make a recording of our laughter when we respond to a

funny post. That would add so much to the posting. I love hearing

laughter and I love laughing, myself. I'm sure you would have like to

hear my outburst of laughter!

>

> I think the farmer is tied up in the back of the truck, while the

other two are running the truck all over his/her crops. :-)

>

> Inger

>

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Hi everybody...I haven't posted in a long time but you know how it is

with therapy, therapy,therapy and back to school has been interesting.

Ok so as you may or may not recall, my two boys 10 and 8 have Muscular

Dystrophy, that has been established with the school and services have

been in place since age 3. Now, with this whole asperger thing, our

doctor recommended an IQ test for (10) but suggested that I try to

have the school conduct it so I won't have to pay. Now I have good

insurance but if my tax dollars are going to the school anyway, I guess

it wouldn't hurt if I get something else out of it(My tax bill doubled

this past year)So I mentioned it to the Case Manager and she said "

is doing fine in school, he is not failing anything " I'm thinking of

's known potential versus his actual performance and it doesn't

match and hasn't in a while so I called her boss and now there will be

an IEP meeting very soon (invitation should arrive any day now) My

question to you all is Do you have any suggesstions regarding this

issue. Anything would be greatly appreciated.

Sandy