Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 In a message dated 8/22/01 5:41:26 PM Central Daylight Time, djackht@... writes: > Well, those of you in chat know the school systemwanted Austin, 4, to > get off the bus, in the door, up 2 flights of stairs and to his class > by HIMSELF...Well, that issue was sort of resolved today, due to the > fact that they want to take hime out of the included preschool, and > put him back into the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 HI Beth Well, Plain and simple this is discrimination!!!!!!! Under 504 Law 104.4 Discrimination prohibited (a) General. NO qualified handicapped person shall, on the basis of handicap, be excluded from participation in, be denied benefits of, or other wise be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity which receives or benefits from Federal Financial assistance. Where the heck do other typical 4 yrs olds get changed when they have accidents?? Ill send (copy and paste) you the full 504 Law...section 104.4 (I got tired of typing the above lol) Kathy mom to Sara 9...........some school personal tend to be confused on IDEA lol but most know 504.........it's a law you can sue for damages under lolol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 In a message dated 8/22/01 5:41:26 PM Central Daylight Time, djackht@... writes: > Well, those of you in chat know the school systemwanted Austin, 4, to > get off the bus, in the door, up 2 flights of stairs and to his class > by HIMSELF...Well, that issue was sort of resolved today, due to the > fact that they want to take hime out of the included preschool, and > put him back into the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 HI Beth Well, Plain and simple this is discrimination!!!!!!! Under 504 Law 104.4 Discrimination prohibited (a) General. NO qualified handicapped person shall, on the basis of handicap, be excluded from participation in, be denied benefits of, or other wise be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity which receives or benefits from Federal Financial assistance. Where the heck do other typical 4 yrs olds get changed when they have accidents?? Ill send (copy and paste) you the full 504 Law...section 104.4 (I got tired of typing the above lol) Kathy mom to Sara 9...........some school personal tend to be confused on IDEA lol but most know 504.........it's a law you can sue for damages under lolol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 They can't discriminate becuase of toileting issues. You need to get it written into his IEP that he will be " reminded " or " tripped " or " rewarded " for toileting...what ever you use at home. If it's on his IEP they must deal with it. They still have to deal with it if it is on his IEP, but the IEP gives YOU some leverage. Remember, you can call an IEP meeting whenever you want...and they have to comply...then you can add the toileting goals as an addendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 They can't discriminate becuase of toileting issues. You need to get it written into his IEP that he will be " reminded " or " tripped " or " rewarded " for toileting...what ever you use at home. If it's on his IEP they must deal with it. They still have to deal with it if it is on his IEP, but the IEP gives YOU some leverage. Remember, you can call an IEP meeting whenever you want...and they have to comply...then you can add the toileting goals as an addendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Beth, my son Jordan is 6 years old and is currently fully included in the regular education kindergarten class. He is 0% potty trained. Though the classroom has restroom facilities it does not have changing facilities. What the school had to do was provide a full time aide to support Jordan with his pull-up changing needs. My son also goes to the YMCA after school program. They also have a rule about the child being fully potty trained. So what I was able to do was request an aide from our local Regional Center. This aide is provided by Easter Seals and must work the same hours that Jordan is attending the after school program. Please remind the school that they cannot force your child into a special ed program just because the child is not potty trained. As most of us know, potty training can be attributed to developmental delays which is an area that the school cannot discriminate against it. Good luck! Kim. << Reason for this,he's ot 100% potty trained. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Beth, my son Jordan is 6 years old and is currently fully included in the regular education kindergarten class. He is 0% potty trained. Though the classroom has restroom facilities it does not have changing facilities. What the school had to do was provide a full time aide to support Jordan with his pull-up changing needs. My son also goes to the YMCA after school program. They also have a rule about the child being fully potty trained. So what I was able to do was request an aide from our local Regional Center. This aide is provided by Easter Seals and must work the same hours that Jordan is attending the after school program. Please remind the school that they cannot force your child into a special ed program just because the child is not potty trained. As most of us know, potty training can be attributed to developmental delays which is an area that the school cannot discriminate against it. Good luck! Kim. << Reason for this,he's ot 100% potty trained. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 URGH!!! That is illegal! They dont' need " changing facilities " ...a rug rolled up and kept in the bathroom would work. Plus, potty training should be on his IEP and that can be done in an inclusive setting. Don't let them pull him out because of that., actually, they can't pull him out without redoing the IEP. school headache > Well, those of you in chat know the school systemwanted Austin, 4, to > get off the bus, in the door, up 2 flights of stairs and to his class > by HIMSELF...Well, that issue was sort of resolved today, due to the > fact that they want to take hime out of the included preschool, and > put him back into the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 > > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 URGH!!! That is illegal! They dont' need " changing facilities " ...a rug rolled up and kept in the bathroom would work. Plus, potty training should be on his IEP and that can be done in an inclusive setting. Don't let them pull him out because of that., actually, they can't pull him out without redoing the IEP. school headache > Well, those of you in chat know the school systemwanted Austin, 4, to > get off the bus, in the door, up 2 flights of stairs and to his class > by HIMSELF...Well, that issue was sort of resolved today, due to the > fact that they want to take hime out of the included preschool, and > put him back into the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 > > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 In a message dated 8/22/01 5:41:22 PM Central Daylight Time, djackht@... writes: > They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 > > Changing facilities for an older child consists of a bathroom and a sink for washing hands. oh yes, they may need to purchase some disposable gloves. My foster son still has accidents occasionally and it is managed in a regular bathroom. If the child is still in diapers they can be changed with the child standing. Karyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 In a message dated 8/22/01 5:41:22 PM Central Daylight Time, djackht@... writes: > They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 > > Changing facilities for an older child consists of a bathroom and a sink for washing hands. oh yes, they may need to purchase some disposable gloves. My foster son still has accidents occasionally and it is managed in a regular bathroom. If the child is still in diapers they can be changed with the child standing. Karyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 In a message dated 8/22/2001 5:41:16 PM Central Daylight Time, djackht@... writes: > the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 > > > This is really a crappy excuse. I've been in rural schools where they've put up one of those folding screens and a sturdy table to provide privacy and a place to lay the child down to change. Don't sign a change of placement. Ask what type of ideas they've tried for privacy and changing his pants. alot of kids are not trained when they start school, gee i just hate it when the schools start the no potty in toilet no access to reg. education. UGH!!!!! Oh and always had someone making sure that she got off the bus until a yr ago. course once you get it they never listen when you try to get them to start backing off. Oh and how do they expect those short little legs to get on and off that bus? could barely step from one step to the other at that age. the steps being almost as high as her legs were long. LOLOLOL Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 In a message dated 8/22/2001 5:41:16 PM Central Daylight Time, djackht@... writes: > the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 > > > This is really a crappy excuse. I've been in rural schools where they've put up one of those folding screens and a sturdy table to provide privacy and a place to lay the child down to change. Don't sign a change of placement. Ask what type of ideas they've tried for privacy and changing his pants. alot of kids are not trained when they start school, gee i just hate it when the schools start the no potty in toilet no access to reg. education. UGH!!!!! Oh and always had someone making sure that she got off the bus until a yr ago. course once you get it they never listen when you try to get them to start backing off. Oh and how do they expect those short little legs to get on and off that bus? could barely step from one step to the other at that age. the steps being almost as high as her legs were long. LOLOLOL Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Beth, Just wanted to add our story in too . My son Yianni now 13 wasn't potty trained when he was 5 and in an 100% inclusive kindergarten - they didn't have changing facilities either the aide did the best she could using the bathroom and took him down to the nurse's office if it was necessary. Thanks to a wonderful aide he was potty trained by the age of 6 - she did an incredible job with a smile on her face and a great sense of humor - it was never an issue. I still to this day thank her for co - potty training Yianni with me - it was n't easy and her help made all the difference. I am disturbed that the school would keep him form the LRE that he is entitled to because of this - his lack of potty training is part of his disability. > Well, those of you in chat know the school systemwanted Austin, 4, to > get off the bus, in the door, up 2 flights of stairs and to his class > by HIMSELF...Well, that issue was sort of resolved today, due to the > fact that they want to take hime out of the included preschool, and > put him back into the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Beth, Just wanted to add our story in too . My son Yianni now 13 wasn't potty trained when he was 5 and in an 100% inclusive kindergarten - they didn't have changing facilities either the aide did the best she could using the bathroom and took him down to the nurse's office if it was necessary. Thanks to a wonderful aide he was potty trained by the age of 6 - she did an incredible job with a smile on her face and a great sense of humor - it was never an issue. I still to this day thank her for co - potty training Yianni with me - it was n't easy and her help made all the difference. I am disturbed that the school would keep him form the LRE that he is entitled to because of this - his lack of potty training is part of his disability. > Well, those of you in chat know the school systemwanted Austin, 4, to > get off the bus, in the door, up 2 flights of stairs and to his class > by HIMSELF...Well, that issue was sort of resolved today, due to the > fact that they want to take hime out of the included preschool, and > put him back into the special ed preschool. Reason for this,he's ot > 100% potty trained. They dont have changing facilities at any of the > inclusion sites. Arn't there older children in inclusion programs > that arn't 100% potty trained??? At 4,yes, I would love for him to > be, but he just won't cooperate with me on it all of the time. > Typical Austin, I guess... Just thought I would see what anybody had > to say about that one! > > Beth, Mommy to Austin, 4ds and Dakota, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 well, my meeting is in 9.5 hours now. I'm up this late to make sure all of my duckies are in a row. I am not going to sign the papers to put Austin back in the special Ed preschool. I talked to INSOURCE today, advocates, and I may have one going with me in the morning. I didn't know they were even here, but the school sure wasn't going to tell me about them...Hee Hee. Well, I've done my homework, (thank you Kathy J) and I feel pretty good. One advocate today told me to just say NO, I wont change it, this is what you have to do, what you are going to do, now how fast can you do it. She is like me, willing to get in their face, yell, whatever, to get what my child deserves. I'll try nice, but it hasn't worked up to this point. I think this school system associated nice with ignorant, and that isn't the case anymore. Wish me luck, and I'll post as soon as I get home Thanks to everybody for the suggestions! Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 well, my meeting is in 9.5 hours now. I'm up this late to make sure all of my duckies are in a row. I am not going to sign the papers to put Austin back in the special Ed preschool. I talked to INSOURCE today, advocates, and I may have one going with me in the morning. I didn't know they were even here, but the school sure wasn't going to tell me about them...Hee Hee. Well, I've done my homework, (thank you Kathy J) and I feel pretty good. One advocate today told me to just say NO, I wont change it, this is what you have to do, what you are going to do, now how fast can you do it. She is like me, willing to get in their face, yell, whatever, to get what my child deserves. I'll try nice, but it hasn't worked up to this point. I think this school system associated nice with ignorant, and that isn't the case anymore. Wish me luck, and I'll post as soon as I get home Thanks to everybody for the suggestions! Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I am trying to get my son's classification changed at school so maybe they will view his behaviors differently. To be honest I don't know exactly he is asperger's either. But he has enough of the traits to recieve help at school and I know he doesn't act out to seek attention. I know he is frustrated and I know he cannot tell you why until way later if at all. My son's pediatrician gave me a couple developmental pediatricians numbers to see if they can give a diagnosis. How long does it take to get a diagnosis? Thank you all for all the support and information, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hello, I just wanted to share, my AS son is the same way as far as responding/explaining something that is bothering him. even if he is sick, if doesn't tell me. sometimes, he doesn't have a name for... to describe what he needs to say. unless exposed to that same exact situation before. as far as asking how long does it take for a DX. it depends on where you go. some places, you have to wait months for an appointment. then your child has to meet with the whole staff, then they meet with the parents, then yet another wait for them (staff) to group and come up with a DX and again meet with the parents and go over everything. are you sure you want to change your sons classification? or add on to what he has now? good luck. aka_andreaa27 <andreaa27@...> wrote: I am trying to get my son's classification changed at school so maybe they will view his behaviors differently. To be honest I don't know exactly he is asperger's either. But he has enough of the traits to recieve help at school and I know he doesn't act out to seek attention. I know he is frustrated and I know he cannot tell you why until way later if at all. My son's pediatrician gave me a couple developmental pediatricians numbers to see if they can give a diagnosis. How long does it take to get a diagnosis? Thank you all for all the support and information, --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I see what you mean, I just made an appointment and it is in March!!! Re: ( ) School headache Hello, I just wanted to share, my AS son is the same way as far as responding/explaining something that is bothering him. even if he is sick, if doesn't tell me. sometimes, he doesn't have a name for... to describe what he needs to say. unless exposed to that same exact situation before. as far as asking how long does it take for a DX. it depends on where you go. some places, you have to wait months for an appointment. then your child has to meet with the whole staff, then they meet with the parents, then yet another wait for them (staff) to group and come up with a DX and again meet with the parents and go over everything. are you sure you want to change your sons classification? or add on to what he has now? good luck. aka_andreaa27 <andreaa27@...> wrote: I am trying to get my son's classification changed at school so maybe they will view his behaviors differently. To be honest I don't know exactly he is asperger's either. But he has enough of the traits to recieve help at school and I know he doesn't act out to seek attention. I know he is frustrated and I know he cannot tell you why until way later if at all. My son's pediatrician gave me a couple developmental pediatricians numbers to see if they can give a diagnosis. How long does it take to get a diagnosis? Thank you all for all the support and information, --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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