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My son is the same way. He is asleep by 8:30pm and is hard to wake at

7:30am. He seems tired at school a lot.

We will be looking into a sleep study for him.

Graves wrote:

> The school is never endlessly calling me saying that says he is

> tired

> and didn't get enough sleep the night before. (Ok no phone call yet

> today!)

> He goes to bed and falls asleep around 9:30 PM and wakes up around

> 7:30 AM.

> I think that 10 hours is plenty of sleep myself for a 10 year old.

> Could it

> just be his nighttime meds that are making him tired? (The Tenax maybe. I

> don't think the Abilify makes him tired cause he takes a Noon dose of

> 2.5 mg

> at school.) I usually get the call before Noon. anyways. Thansk forany

> insight!

>

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Obviously you are looking into the medical side of this but also

consider this - my son would come up with the first response that

popped into his head when asked a questions. For a while he would

just say " I don't know " (even when he did know) because that was the

easiest response for him. He did go through a short period of

responding that he was tired when asked if something was wrong or

why he didn't respond. Someone had asked him if he was tired so

that became the auto-response for a while. He really wasn't tired,

it was just easier to claim so. Do you think the school is

prompting him with that question and he is just responding yes or do

you think he really is tired?

I think most aspies don't sleep well but mine sure does! He'll

sleep 10 hours easy. I think some people just need more than others

but check with your doctor to be sure.

>

> The school is never endlessly calling me saying that says he

is tired

> and didn't get enough sleep the night before. (Ok no phone call

yet today!)

> He goes to bed and falls asleep around 9:30 PM and wakes up around

7:30 AM.

> I think that 10 hours is plenty of sleep myself for a 10 year

old. Could it

> just be his nighttime meds that are making him tired? (The Tenax

maybe. I

> don't think the Abilify makes him tired cause he takes a Noon dose

of 2.5 mg

> at school.) I usually get the call before Noon. anyways. Thansk

forany

> insight!

>

>

>

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Does he snore ??? or gaspy sounds at night when

sleeping.

--- Graves <inspiringmind@...> wrote:

> The school is never endlessly calling me saying that

> says he is tired

> and didn't get enough sleep the night before. (Ok no

> phone call yet today!)

> He goes to bed and falls asleep around 9:30 PM and

> wakes up around 7:30 AM.

> I think that 10 hours is plenty of sleep myself for

> a 10 year old. Could it

> just be his nighttime meds that are making him

> tired? (The Tenax maybe. I

> don't think the Abilify makes him tired cause he

> takes a Noon dose of 2.5 mg

> at school.) I usually get the call before Noon.

> anyways. Thansk forany

> insight!

>

>

>

>

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My son is eight and gets ten to eleven hours of sleep and is always exhausted.

Whenever I take somewhere in the evening after school people look at him and say

he looks exhausted. His is caused from stress and anxiety. We don't do after

school activites because of it, he needs his sleep.

Graves <inspiringmind@...> wrote: The school is never

endlessly calling me saying that says he is tired

and didn't get enough sleep the night before. (Ok no phone call yet today!)

He goes to bed and falls asleep around 9:30 PM and wakes up around 7:30 AM.

I think that 10 hours is plenty of sleep myself for a 10 year old. Could it

just be his nighttime meds that are making him tired? (The Tenax maybe. I

don't think the Abilify makes him tired cause he takes a Noon dose of 2.5 mg

at school.) I usually get the call before Noon. anyways. Thansk forany

insight!

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used to say I don't know a lot. The school says he sometimes walks into

the school and he just looks really tired. Like he walks around with his

eyes half closed. He does seem kinda tired. but it is soooo difficult to

get him to go to sleep before 9:30.

> Obviously you are looking into the medical side of this but also

> consider this - my son would come up with the first response that

> popped into his head when asked a questions. For a while he would

> just say " I don't know " (even when he did know) because that was the

> easiest response for him. He did go through a short period of

> responding that he was tired when asked if something was wrong or

> why he didn't respond. Someone had asked him if he was tired so

> that became the auto-response for a while. He really wasn't tired,

> it was just easier to claim so. Do you think the school is

> prompting him with that question and he is just responding yes or do

> you think he really is tired?

>

> I think most aspies don't sleep well but mine sure does! He'll

> sleep 10 hours easy. I think some people just need more than others

> but check with your doctor to be sure.

>

>

>

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That's a really good question. I have been in the living room ewhen he has

fallen asleep on the couch and every so often he will actually sit up and it

looks like he is almost awake, like he tries to say something, but is pretty

incoherent. And like he is reaching for something he can't quite grab. ANd

he snores. (Is that sleep apena?)

> Are you sure he's asleep the whole night?

>

> In theory, my son gets 'enough' sleep, because he goes to bed at

> 8:45-9:00pm and wakes up at 6:00am-7:00am, but he's actually not getting

> good quality sleep much of the night. He sleepwalks, sleeptalks, replays

> movies and the day in his head, he's the most restless sleeper I've ever

> seen. His dreams are exhausting alone.

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yes thats a good thing to make sure he is sleep apnea

free because it mimics ADHD and will make him sleepy

in the day time also cause learning disorders.Behavior

problems. I have had it for 36 years now i have a

tracheostomy for sleep apnea because of brain damage

caused by untreated sleep apnea.tom-g

--- Graves <inspiringmind@...> wrote:

> Yes, he snores...should I mention that to his

> doctor?

>

>

>

>

> > Does he snore ??? or gaspy sounds at night when

> > sleeping.

>

>

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He snores? At his age? Hell, Yes I'd mention it!

Re: ( ) How much Sleep?

Yes, he snores...should I mention that to his doctor?

> Does he snore ??? or gaspy sounds at night when

> sleeping.

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This is interesting.

always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early (which is good

because wakes earlier so eventually I can get back to bed for a short

while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own space and is a

major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage to get to sleep before

and sleep through any of ' nonsense.

But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's because he

sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his father has sleep

apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his oxygen levels drop a fair

amount when he's asleep.

So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting enough O2 while

sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even as he's going

under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep, yells and screams and

falls out of bed almost every night as he's so active in his sleep.

's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an unbroken night in 20

months!

Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and (20 months

old).

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After reading this I have a question is bed wetting another symptom of

Aspergers?

still has accidents and he won't stay the night anywhere! The only time he

has slept away from home was when we were there with him.

White

( ) How much sleep?

This is interesting.

always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early (which is good

because wakes earlier so eventually I can get back to bed for a short

while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own space and is a

major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage to get to sleep before

and sleep through any of ' nonsense.

But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's because he

sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his father has

sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his oxygen levels drop a

fair amount when he's asleep.

So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting enough O2 while

sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even as he's going

under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep, yells and screams and

falls out of bed almost every night as he's so active in his sleep.

's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an unbroken night in

20 months!

Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and (20 months

old).

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Our son has also never had a dry night. Well, as you'll read further

on, he's had one.

He's 4 1/2. He also, until recently, snored like a sailor every night

and constantly had dark circles under his eyes. Also he did not test

as having sleep apnea, his behavior was bad enough that a pediatric

behavioral and sleep specialist suggested having his extremely large

tonsils and adenoids taken out.

Having a kids with Tourette's and Asperger's go through pain and an

overnight stay at the hospital was . . . . difficult. But he sleeps

much, much better now. He's also had one dry night.

I'm not holding my breath on that one; I didn't starting having

consistently dry nights until I was eleven, and neither did my baby

sister.

My bladder eventually figured it out, and so did hers, so I'm not

going to utter one single word to Arie unless _he_ thinks it's an

issue. I only wish we'd known about Depends when I was a kid! :-)

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Yes I believe it is.. My son too has these issues.. I believe its an

extension of the sensory issues.

He is 11

-- Re: ( ) How much sleep?

After reading this I have a question is bed wetting another symptom of

Aspergers?

still has accidents and he won't stay the night anywhere! The only time

he has slept away from home was when we were there with him.

White

( ) How much sleep?

This is interesting.

always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early (which is

good because wakes earlier so eventually I can get back to bed for a

short while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own space and is a

major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage to get to sleep

before and sleep through any of ' nonsense.

But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's because he

sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his father has

sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his oxygen levels drop

a fair amount when he's asleep.

So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting enough O2 while

sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even as he's

going under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep, yells and

screams and falls out of bed almost every night as he's so active in his

sleep.

's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an unbroken night

in 20 months!

Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and (20

months old).

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My Lucas is almost 10 and he still wears pull-ups to bed. We are

finally getting to where it is dry about 50% of the time. The only

places he sleeps away from home is Grandma's or his friend Adam's

(Adam's mommy knows Lucas is autistic and will be supportive if he

has an accident). They put Luc on the nasal spray, but then he went

12 hours between bathroom trips, even during the day. That concerened

me enought to pull him off it, and just deal with the pull ups.

>

> After reading this I have a question is bed wetting another symptom

of Aspergers?

>

> still has accidents and he won't stay the night anywhere! The

only time he has slept away from home was when we were there with him.

>

>

> White

>

> ( ) How much sleep?

>

>

> This is interesting.

>

> always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early

(which is good because wakes earlier so eventually I can get

back to bed for a short while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

>

> He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own

space and is a major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage

to get to sleep before and sleep through any of '

nonsense.

>

> But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's

because he sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

>

> He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his

father has sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his

oxygen levels drop a fair amount when he's asleep.

>

> So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting

enough O2 while sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

>

> Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even

as he's going under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep,

yells and screams and falls out of bed almost every night as he's so

active in his sleep.

>

> 's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

> Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an

unbroken night in 20 months!

>

> Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and

(20 months old).

>

>

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....Yes, I find it totally amazing also that will be difficult to

wake up on any school day but on the weekend he is up early! It is kinda

odd how on a weekend he will actually wake up perfectly fine on his own

about 8 AM. which is one hour later then what he wakes up for a school day,

but he will go to sleep about an hour later, so it is the same amount of

sleep. I would think that would be easy enough to get him to go to sleep an

hour earlier....but that is impossible. Of course on Christmas eve/day he

went to sleep around 11 PM and woke up at 6 AM. I know it was Christmas

day...lol

> This is so interesting to me!!! I have been reading most of the replys to

> this post and I have heard so many things that sound like my son!!! He has

> been telling me for yrs that he doesn't sleep at night, although I know

> that he does because when I go to check on him, he is out cold! I can lift

> him up and move him and he has no clue! I remember once I had to wake him

> up because my husband had to go to the ER in the middle of the night. Ezra

> slept through the whole ride and the entire 4 hr or so visit at the ER,

> which are not quiet places!!!! Anyway, he has a hard time falling asleep

> and we give him colnidine which in the beginning, helped him fall asleep

> easy, but then we started having a hard time again. So we started

> melatonin again and that seems to help, but he still gets out of bed at

> least 2 times if not more usually 5!!! The interesting part is I have such

> a hard time waking him in the morning on school days, but on the weekdends

> even on Sat. moring, he is up at the

> crack of dawn!!!!! And it is not that he just doesn't want to go, he is

> acually passed out on school morinings!!! It doesn't make any sense to

> me!!??? He also has had the standard answer of " I don't know " when asked

> what he did at school for about 3 yrs now!!! And when asked why he did

> something the same answer. He will also tell you that he is too tired if

> you ask him to do something that is a little involoved!!! I know that he

> is not, he just uses that as an excuse! We don't have an official dx of AS

> yet, we have been throwing it around between 3 docs since Aug. But the

> more that I read here, the more it sounds like people are describing my

> son!!! I am very glad that I joined this group!!!! Thanks

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Sleep apnea is where they actually stop breathing temporarily.

My 12 yod has grand mal seizures, and they initially thought they were

due to sleep apnea from huge tonsils/adenoids. They took them out, but

no dice, she's had more seizures since the surgery than before. She's

not on the spectrum, but my 6 yos who is hasn't had any seizures.

Graves wrote:

>

> That's a really good question. I have been in the living room ewhen he

> has

> fallen asleep on the couch and every so often he will actually sit up

> and it

> looks like he is almost awake, like he tries to say something, but is

> pretty

> incoherent. And like he is reaching for something he can't quite grab.

> ANd

> he snores. (Is that sleep apena?)

>

>

>

> > Are you sure he's asleep the whole night?

> >

> > In theory, my son gets 'enough' sleep, because he goes to bed at

> > 8:45-9:00pm and wakes up at 6:00am-7:00am, but he's actually not getting

> > good quality sleep much of the night. He sleepwalks, sleeptalks, replays

> > movies and the day in his head, he's the most restless sleeper I've ever

> > seen. His dreams are exhausting alone.

>

>

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Definitely mention it -- I wish I'd pushed when my daughter was much

younger or known how significant it was. She's still got a deviated

septum and sphenoid sinus issues, had migraines (up until her seizures

started), chronic ear problems and chronic upper-respiratory infections,

as well as dysarthric speech. Lots of things can go along with snoring.

>

>

> Re: ( ) How much Sleep?

>

> Yes, he snores...should I mention that to his doctor?

>

>

>

> > Does he snore ??? or gaspy sounds at night when

> > sleeping.

>

>

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My 6 yos (high-functioning autism) still doesn't have full control of

potty issues. Per the neuro, we have to remember that autism is also

called a developmental disorder, hence meaning developmental delays. I

don't know as much about Asperger's as I do autism, but I know it's

definitely a commonality among those on the spectrum.

White wrote:

>

> After reading this I have a question is bed wetting another symptom of

> Aspergers?

>

> still has accidents and he won't stay the night anywhere! The

> only time he has slept away from home was when we were there with him.

>

> White

>

> ( ) How much sleep?

>

> This is interesting.

>

> always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early (which

> is good because wakes earlier so eventually I can get back to

> bed for a short while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

>

> He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own space

> and is a major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage to get

> to sleep before and sleep through any of ' nonsense.

>

> But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's

> because he sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

>

> He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his father

> has sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his oxygen

> levels drop a fair amount when he's asleep.

>

> So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting enough O2

> while sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

>

> Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even as

> he's going under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep,

> yells and screams and falls out of bed almost every night as he's so

> active in his sleep.

>

> 's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

> Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an unbroken

> night in 20 months!

>

> Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and

> (20 months old).

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have bee

>

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just so you know high fuctioning autism is the same

thing a asperger's,straight autism is different from

high fuctioning autism,

--- Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote:

> My 6 yos (high-functioning autism) still doesn't

> have full control of

> potty issues. Per the neuro, we have to remember

> that autism is also

> called a developmental disorder, hence meaning

> developmental delays. I

> don't know as much about Asperger's as I do autism,

> but I know it's

> definitely a commonality among those on the

> spectrum.

>

> White wrote:

> >

> > After reading this I have a question is bed

> wetting another symptom of

> > Aspergers?

> >

> > still has accidents and he won't stay the

> night anywhere! The

> > only time he has slept away from home was when we

> were there with him.

> >

> > White

> >

> > ( ) How much sleep?

> >

> > This is interesting.

> >

> > always takes a long time to go to sleep

> and wakes early (which

> > is good because wakes earlier so eventually

> I can get back to

> > bed for a short while!). But once he's gone he's

> gone!

> >

> > He's currently sharing with (he really

> needs his own space

> > and is a major part of why we're moving) and he

> seems to manage to get

> > to sleep before and sleep through any of

> ' nonsense.

> >

> > But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years)

> and we think it's

> > because he sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

> >

> > He snores like a train too and we had a sleep

> study done as his father

> > has sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such

> but that his oxygen

> > levels drop a fair amount when he's asleep.

> >

> > So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not

> be getting enough O2

> > while sleeping and so not getting the rest they

> need.

> >

> > Interestingly ,the middle one, talks

> constantly - even as

> > he's going under water in swimming lessons. He

> talks in his sleep,

> > yells and screams and falls out of bed almost

> every night as he's so

> > active in his sleep.

> >

> > 's positively normal in his sleep habits in

> comparison!

> > Now if only we could teach to sleep

> through...not an unbroken

> > night in 20 months!

> >

> > Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS),

> (nearly 6) and

> > (20 months old).

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have bee

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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That interesting to know ,

's 8.5 and never been dry at night. He wears dry nites to bed each

night and about once every 2 weeks he's wet even through that and all the

bed clothes.

It hasn't bothered him but when started to show signs of becoming

dry at night he got upset. I backed off and so I have 2 in dry

nites each night and 1 in nappies!!

But he finally recently decided he's not so keen on being wet at night and

so we are on the waiting list for a paediatric incontinence clinic here.

He's very scared by sudden, loud sounds and considering how deeply he sleeps

I doubt a bet wetting alarm would be the way to go!

I think we'd wind up with a kid who is scared to go to sleep for fear of the

alarm.

So I was thinking the nasal spray would be the way to go.

was late to toilet train (4.5 years), as was at 4 but there

is no history of bed wetting in either side of the family. So it's about

time something was done for him.

The boys do overnight at both grandparents' but nowhere else. 's

homeschooled and prefers his relative isolation so we don't have the peer

pressure for over night stays.

Hmm, all things to think about when we finally get to see someone at the

clinic!

Eleanor, mummy to (8.5 AS), (nearly 6) and (20

months).

( ) How much sleep?

> >

> >

> > This is interesting.

> >

> > always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early

> (which is good because wakes earlier so eventually I can get

> back to bed for a short while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

> >

> > He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own

> space and is a major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage

> to get to sleep before and sleep through any of '

> nonsense.

> >

> > But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's

> because he sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

> >

> > He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his

> father has sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his

> oxygen levels drop a fair amount when he's asleep.

> >

> > So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting

> enough O2 while sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

> >

> > Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even

> as he's going under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep,

> yells and screams and falls out of bed almost every night as he's so

> active in his sleep.

> >

> > 's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

> > Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an

> unbroken night in 20 months!

> >

> > Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and

> (20 months old).

> >

> >

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Both my son's have had their adenoids and tonsils removed. They had severe

sleep apnea and obstructed breathing problems. My youngest still has some

snoring but it is minimal now. I share this because before surgery they both

were sleepy a lot and always looked tire. They were constantly waking up to

start breathing again and then falling back to sleep shortly after. They

were sleeping enough hours but it wasn't good quality sleep... That and the

low oxygen saturation levels affected his level of energy.

I'm not saying that any of your children need surgery. They probably do not.

But it is never normal for a child to snore. Not even a little bit. I did

not know this until my youngest son had his problems this past year. The ENT

told me that surgery is the last resort but that snoring is never normal for

children. We tried medications etc., but it was so severe that he needed

them removed.

I recommend getting an ENT consult if you have concerns.

Good Luck!

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i took alex to ENT today and the result was adnoids/tonsils the size of an adult

and alex is three!! they're being taken out in two weeks to reduce risk of

apnia. thanks for the advise!!

hugs

heather

Moon <byebyecow@...> wrote:

Both my son's have had their adenoids and tonsils removed. They had

severe

sleep apnea and obstructed breathing problems. My youngest still has some

snoring but it is minimal now. I share this because before surgery they both

were sleepy a lot and always looked tire. They were constantly waking up to

start breathing again and then falling back to sleep shortly after. They

were sleeping enough hours but it wasn't good quality sleep... That and the

low oxygen saturation levels affected his level of energy.

I'm not saying that any of your children need surgery. They probably do not.

But it is never normal for a child to snore. Not even a little bit. I did

not know this until my youngest son had his problems this past year. The ENT

told me that surgery is the last resort but that snoring is never normal for

children. We tried medications etc., but it was so severe that he needed

them removed.

I recommend getting an ENT consult if you have concerns.

Good Luck!

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My son has never wet the bed. He was night dry a long time before he was day

dry.

Beck j

( ) How much sleep?

This is interesting.

always takes a long time to go to sleep and wakes early (which is good

because wakes earlier so eventually I can get back to bed for a short

while!). But once he's gone he's gone!

He's currently sharing with (he really needs his own space and is a

major part of why we're moving) and he seems to manage to get to sleep before

and sleep through any of ' nonsense.

But he's never been dry at night (at 8.5 years) and we think it's because he

sleeps so deeply once he's asleep.

He snores like a train too and we had a sleep study done as his father has

sleep apnea. They didn't find apnea as such but that his oxygen levels drop a

fair amount when he's asleep.

So even if there isn't sleep apnea they might not be getting enough O2 while

sleeping and so not getting the rest they need.

Interestingly ,the middle one, talks constantly - even as he's going

under water in swimming lessons. He talks in his sleep, yells and screams and

falls out of bed almost every night as he's so active in his sleep.

's positively normal in his sleep habits in comparison!

Now if only we could teach to sleep through...not an unbroken night in

20 months!

Eleanor, mummy to (8.5, AS), (nearly 6) and (20 months

old).

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Its kind of funny that this subject came up, because my aspie is going in on the

19th to have her tonsils removed. She has had horrible snoring, and chronic

infections. One tonsil just about blocks have her throat the poor dear. My

other non-aspie daughter is having just her adenoids out on the 30th. She has

had chronic ear infections, and her ear drum ruptured again this past friday.

My hopes are that these things will improve after this:-( Just worried about

the recoveries is all. Just wanted to add my 2 cents!

Take Care,

Sheryl mom to Becky 10 AS

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