Re: Med effect--falling asleep at school

[Guest guest]

What did you decide to do? I would put that they should monitor him for overall

sleepiness and if he starts to look like he is going to sleep, they should give

him some jobs to do - take notes to the office, run the garbage to the janitor,

deliver a note to the principal, carry the books into the library - whatever

they can come up with that helps him get out of his seat and MOVE. Have him get

a drink, chew some candy and maybe a fidget toy to keep his mind moving?

My kid is just plain sleeping in class. My older one did the same thing. It is

a shut down mechanism of some sort due to boredom or stress overload. I don't

know but teachers really hate this. <g>

Roxanna

( ) Med effect--falling asleep at school

Okay, so how do your teachers handle it when your child falls asleep

at school due to a med side effect? This is the last issue I have to

figure out before tomorrow's meeting.

ph is on Seroquel. He usually takes it at night, but from time

to time misses that opportunity. In those cases, I give it in the

morning, but half the dose. (Or I can be *assured* he'll fall asleep.)

Going without is just not an option, either.

In the past, last year, they tickled him (uh, no) or loudly clapped

their hands next to his ears (uh, no.) Not sure what they've actually

done this year the few times this has happened. It only happens when

we miss giving it to him at night.

But...what would you suggest we put in the IEP notes? He does not

like to be touched in general. (At least not by school personnel....)

Jackie

" Is there gravity in Heaven? "

--ph

[Guest guest]

They " gently " try to wake him up. And if he " refuses to wake up " ,

they let him sleep. One time the teacher said he would not get up

to get a drink to help him wake up. I think that was after he was

asleep.

I got another note on Friday that he fell asleep during social

studies...again. And we didn't have a dosing error. I think this

may be why he's having some trouble with assignments that they are

harping on him " he doesn't do what we asked. " I think he's not quite

there mentally. He may be drawing to keep himself awake. I dunno.

He said he has fallen asleep more times than they have told me, too.

We are going to the pdoc on Monday, and I think we're going to make a

switch of some kind. He was home from school on Thursday, and we

were doing some work together. And he was having a hard time keeping

his concentration on the task and sitting...normally. He can usually

sit still. Can't stand still (he paces), but I think that's a

sensory thing.

Jackie

On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Roxanna wrote:

> What did you decide to do? I would put that they should monitor

> him for overall sleepiness and if he starts to look like he is

> going to sleep, they should give him some jobs to do - take notes

> to the office, run the garbage to the janitor, deliver a note to

> the principal, carry the books into the library - whatever they can

> come up with that helps him get out of his seat and MOVE. Have him

> get a drink, chew some candy and maybe a fidget toy to keep his

> mind moving?

>

>

> << Okay, so how do your teachers handle it when your child falls

> asleep

> at school due to a med side effect? This is the last issue I have to

> figure out before tomorrow's meeting. >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds like an ADD symptom. There's a theory that ADD is caused by the

brain not fully waking up, which is why stimulants work. If there are periods of

sleepiness during the day, perhaps he needs more sleep at night. I'm not a great

fan of medicating every symptom, but sometimes there's no way around it.

I used to walk around the class. The teacher always tried to embarass me by

calling on me, while walking around, because she thought I was out in space. I

always had the right answer, which drove the bat around the bend. {(She really

was a B|tc#) I say that anyone can live to be an example. Even if it were a bad

example. She was a very bad example.}

Dave

Re: ( ) Med effect--falling asleep at school

They " gently " try to wake him up. And if he " refuses to wake up " ,

they let him sleep. One time the teacher said he would not get up

to get a drink to help him wake up. I think that was after he was

asleep.

I got another note on Friday that he fell asleep during social

studies...again. And we didn't have a dosing error. I think this

may be why he's having some trouble with assignments that they are

harping on him " he doesn't do what we asked. " I think he's not quite

there mentally. He may be drawing to keep himself awake. I dunno.

He said he has fallen asleep more times than they have told me, too.

We are going to the pdoc on Monday, and I think we're going to make a

switch of some kind. He was home from school on Thursday, and we

were doing some work together. And he was having a hard time keeping

his concentration on the task and sitting...normally. He can usually

sit still. Can't stand still (he paces), but I think that's a

sensory thing.

Jackie

On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Roxanna wrote:

> What did you decide to do? I would put that they should monitor

> him for overall sleepiness and if he starts to look like he is

> going to sleep, they should give him some jobs to do - take notes

> to the office, run the garbage to the janitor, deliver a note to

> the principal, carry the books into the library - whatever they can

> come up with that helps him get out of his seat and MOVE. Have him

> get a drink, chew some candy and maybe a fidget toy to keep his

> mind moving?

>

>

> << Okay, so how do your teachers handle it when your child falls

> asleep

> at school due to a med side effect? This is the last issue I have to

> figure out before tomorrow's meeting. >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He may find it easier to fall asleep so probably they don't want to let him keep

doing it. See if they will try to get to him before he gets to the sleep part.

Maybe an aide can take him out and get him moving and awake, then back to

class??

Roxanna

Re: ( ) Med effect--falling asleep at school

They " gently " try to wake him up. And if he " refuses to wake up " ,

they let him sleep. One time the teacher said he would not get up

to get a drink to help him wake up. I think that was after he was

asleep.

I got another note on Friday that he fell asleep during social

studies...again. And we didn't have a dosing error. I think this

may be why he's having some trouble with assignments that they are

harping on him " he doesn't do what we asked. " I think he's not quite

there mentally. He may be drawing to keep himself awake. I dunno.

He said he has fallen asleep more times than they have told me, too.

We are going to the pdoc on Monday, and I think we're going to make a

switch of some kind. He was home from school on Thursday, and we

were doing some work together. And he was having a hard time keeping

his concentration on the task and sitting...normally. He can usually

sit still. Can't stand still (he paces), but I think that's a

sensory thing.

Jackie

On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Roxanna wrote:

> What did you decide to do? I would put that they should monitor

> him for overall sleepiness and if he starts to look like he is

> going to sleep, they should give him some jobs to do - take notes

> to the office, run the garbage to the janitor, deliver a note to

> the principal, carry the books into the library - whatever they can

> come up with that helps him get out of his seat and MOVE. Have him

> get a drink, chew some candy and maybe a fidget toy to keep his

> mind moving?

>

>

> << Okay, so how do your teachers handle it when your child falls

> asleep

> at school due to a med side effect? This is the last issue I have to

> figure out before tomorrow's meeting. >>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

On the days he can, he sleeps several hours extra. But he can't go

to bed at 7 pm on school nights. It's hard to tell how much of a

change this is since the Seroquel. I don't think I have completely

accurate information from last year to compare it to. He is also on

tenex and zoloft. That's three sedating meds for you! I am thinking

of replacing the tenex with a stimulant, but not sure. He started

taking that last year for " aggression and impulsivity. " But, in

hindsight, the events that led to that determination were so clearly

a mishandled meltdown at school. I'll figure it out next week.

We'll just wait out this week and make any change over the winter

break. We have 4.5 days of school this week still.

Jackie

On Dec 16, 2006, at 7:46 PM, wrote:

> This sounds like an ADD symptom. There's a theory that ADD is

> caused by the brain not fully waking up, which is why stimulants

> work. If there are periods of sleepiness during the day, perhaps he

> needs more sleep at night.

>>

[Guest guest]

In my case, an anti-depressant/anti-anxiety medication worked better than a

stimulant. My problem with that is that one of my symptoms seems to be low

energy and lack of motivation.

Dave

Re: ( ) Med effect--falling asleep at school

On the days he can, he sleeps several hours extra. But he can't go

to bed at 7 pm on school nights. It's hard to tell how much of a

change this is since the Seroquel. I don't think I have completely

accurate information from last year to compare it to. He is also on

tenex and zoloft. That's three sedating meds for you! I am thinking

of replacing the tenex with a stimulant, but not sure. He started

taking that last year for " aggression and impulsivity. " But, in

hindsight, the events that led to that determination were so clearly

a mishandled meltdown at school. I'll figure it out next week.

We'll just wait out this week and make any change over the winter

break. We have 4.5 days of school this week still.

Jackie

On Dec 16, 2006, at 7:46 PM, wrote:

> This sounds like an ADD symptom. There's a theory that ADD is

> caused by the brain not fully waking up, which is why stimulants

> work. If there are periods of sleepiness during the day, perhaps he

> needs more sleep at night.

>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:49:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sirdavjohn@... writes:

This sounds like an ADD symptom. There's a theory that ADD is

> caused by the brain not fully waking up

Hi,

I don't think stimulants are the answer though, the long term use has led

many a kid to psychosis and the need for anti-phychotics meds with even worse

side effects! (seroquel is one and it also has an antidepressant effect in

it) my kid will drink a cup of tea in the morning sometimes and it seems to work

OK.