Re: What they miss out on while in special classes

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I know that around here, I have worked with families who have asked for

therapies to take place outside of their child's " school time " ...(ex. a

kindergarten student who only has a 2 1/2 hr. a day program) and it has been

successful. The IEP is supposed to be a collaborative and creative process, so

I

would say go for it. Pam

[Guest guest]

um you never wood have fun if your doing the rong things you let your child go

bye understanding things you one the other had you may want him in summer schoo

and let hime go to school even if the teacher give him a hard time

tiffani

Sheri Briley <aspie_pride@...> wrote:

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his electives

for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS child has missed

out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his 7th grade

year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in 7th

& 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot of

the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into classes

that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group settings and

additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the schools,

other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling, group

meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand, for

anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's been

doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And then they

complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him grade level

work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

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um you never wood have fun if your doing the rong things you let your child go

bye understanding things you one the other had you may want him in summer schoo

and let hime go to school even if the teacher give him a hard time

tiffani

Sheri Briley <aspie_pride@...> wrote:

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his electives

for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS child has missed

out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his 7th grade

year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in 7th

& 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot of

the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into classes

that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group settings and

additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the schools,

other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling, group

meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand, for

anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's been

doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And then they

complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him grade level

work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

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I am addressing this very thing with our IEP team.

Our son as denied PE, art, music, etc... not because of schedule conflicts but

because " we tried that and it didn't work. " A direct quote made by the Autism

Coordinator on the IEP team.

The laws state that PE and other electives must be modified so that children

with special needs can benefit from the same educational experiences as typical

peers. If an elective not going to be provided to a student, it has to be

written in their IEP with explaination why the service can not be provided even

with modifications and adaptations. This is not a direct quote of the law.

This is what I remember reading.

I " might " be bold enough, (still thinking about it) to ask for (in writing)

music lessons to be provided afterschool since he has been unjustly denied the

opportunity to participate in electives. Why not? My 15 yo NT daughter is

excelling in her Spanish Class. I am so proud of her and happy that she is

enjoying learning a foreign language. I think foreign language and computer

classes are very important. But why can't my son have the same opportunity?

Doesn't make sense. So....I may ask for at least one elective to be provided

afterschool since they can't seem to figure out how to " make it work. "

That's my 2 cents.

Marsha

Sheri Briley <aspie_pride@...> wrote:

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his electives

for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS child has missed

out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his 7th grade

year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in 7th

& 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot of

the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into classes

that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group settings and

additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the schools,

other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling, group

meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand, for

anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's been

doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And then they

complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him grade level

work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

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Pam:

I sent a reply before I read your reply. I like the way you put

it....creative and collaborative. I think I will use that when asking for

services " outside of " the normal school time.

Thanks!! Marsha

ppanda65@... wrote:

I know that around here, I have worked with families who have asked for

therapies to take place outside of their child's " school time " ...(ex. a

kindergarten student who only has a 2 1/2 hr. a day program) and it has been

successful. The IEP is supposed to be a collaborative and creative process, so

I

would say go for it. Pam

[Guest guest]

Then they need to provide, by law, alternative art, PE and the such. It is your

child's right.

Re: ( ) What they miss out on while in special classes

I am addressing this very thing with our IEP team.

Our son as denied PE, art, music, etc... not because of schedule conflicts

but because " we tried that and it didn't work. " A direct quote made by the

Autism Coordinator on the IEP team.

The laws state that PE and other electives must be modified so that children

with special needs can benefit from the same educational experiences as typical

peers. If an elective not going to be provided to a student, it has to be

written in their IEP with explaination why the service can not be provided even

with modifications and adaptations. This is not a direct quote of the law.

This is what I remember reading.

I " might " be bold enough, (still thinking about it) to ask for (in writing)

music lessons to be provided afterschool since he has been unjustly denied the

opportunity to participate in electives. Why not? My 15 yo NT daughter is

excelling in her Spanish Class. I am so proud of her and happy that she is

enjoying learning a foreign language. I think foreign language and computer

classes are very important. But why can't my son have the same opportunity?

Doesn't make sense. So....I may ask for at least one elective to be provided

afterschool since they can't seem to figure out how to " make it work. "

That's my 2 cents.

Marsha

Sheri Briley <aspie_pride@...> wrote:

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his

electives for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS child

has missed out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his 7th grade

year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in

7th & 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot

of the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into

classes that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group settings

and additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the

schools, other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling, group

meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand, for

anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's been

doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And then they

complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him grade level

work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

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Tiffani, How old are you?

tiffani ponzi <chancepaulbule@...> wrote: um you never wood have fun if

your doing the rong things you let your child go bye understanding things you

one the other had you may want him in summer schoo

and let hime go to school even if the teacher give him a hard time

tiffani

Sheri Briley <aspie_pride@...> wrote:

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his electives

for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS child has missed

out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his 7th grade

year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in 7th

& 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot of

the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into classes

that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group settings and

additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the schools,

other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling, group

meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand, for

anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's been

doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And then they

complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him grade level

work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

---------------------------------

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coming at this from the opposite side, i could only WISH my son's PS

would allow him to opt-out of PE, art, and music. they have been

nearly constant sources of frustration to the point he HATES them.

i've got my work cut out for me as we start homeschooling this summer

(for the next few years, at least) to try and work past that damage

so he can see these subjects as the creative, enriching and fun

things they should be. one reason i chose this year was his

transition to middle school, where he would HAVE to choose either

Art, Orchestra, or Band.

yes, schools should modify these electives the same as they do other

classes, but as we see so often, even core classes aren't modified

effectively. when my son's IEP was modified in february to limit the

amount of homework he was given (even small amounts were taking

forever after school), it only lasted about a month - then the former

home was suddenly reclassified as 'classwork', and

whatever 'classwork' that wasn't finished was sent home to be

completed. i just didn't have the fight left in me to continue. i'm

glad homeschooling is an option for our family.

katrina

>

>

> I am addressing this very thing with our IEP team.

> Our son as denied PE, art, music, etc... not because of schedule

conflicts but because " we tried that and it didn't work. " A direct

quote made by the Autism Coordinator on the IEP team.

>

> The laws state that PE and other electives must be modified so

that children with special needs can benefit from the same

educational experiences as typical peers. If an elective not going

to be provided to a student, it has to be written in their IEP with

explaination why the service can not be provided even with

modifications and adaptations. This is not a direct quote of the

law. This is what I remember reading.

>

[Guest guest]

My son had most of his problems in itinerant classes (art, music, gym). The

IEP team was aware of it and we made modifications when necessary (little

bits of the classes at first, then a break if needed during the class, training

of the teachers etc). The school can also provide APE (adaptive physical

education) if the child just cannot tolerate regular gym class. I would ask

your IEP team about it. It is a child's right to be included in everything to

the best of their ability. Pam

[Guest guest]

I was able to put in or take out thee things in my daughter's IEP (when she ws

IN school, we homeschool now). Check into that.

Re: ( ) What they miss out on while in special classes

coming at this from the opposite side, i could only WISH my son's PS

would allow him to opt-out of PE, art, and music. they have been

nearly constant sources of frustration to the point he HATES them.

i've got my work cut out for me as we start homeschooling this summer

(for the next few years, at least) to try and work past that damage

so he can see these subjects as the creative, enriching and fun

things they should be. one reason i chose this year was his

transition to middle school, where he would HAVE to choose either

Art, Orchestra, or Band.

yes, schools should modify these electives the same as they do other

classes, but as we see so often, even core classes aren't modified

effectively. when my son's IEP was modified in february to limit the

amount of homework he was given (even small amounts were taking

forever after school), it only lasted about a month - then the former

home was suddenly reclassified as 'classwork', and

whatever 'classwork' that wasn't finished was sent home to be

completed. i just didn't have the fight left in me to continue. i'm

glad homeschooling is an option for our family.

katrina

>

>

> I am addressing this very thing with our IEP team.

> Our son as denied PE, art, music, etc... not because of schedule

conflicts but because " we tried that and it didn't work. " A direct

quote made by the Autism Coordinator on the IEP team.

>

> The laws state that PE and other electives must be modified so

that children with special needs can benefit from the same

educational experiences as typical peers. If an elective not going

to be provided to a student, it has to be written in their IEP with

explaination why the service can not be provided even with

modifications and adaptations. This is not a direct quote of the

law. This is what I remember reading.

>

[Guest guest]

My son started out taking APE in sixth grade because he didn't have

the physical skills to take regular PE. As time went on, he gained

the skills, but couldn't handle the crowds involved in regular PE.

The regular PE class had about 80 kids in it. So they had him in APE

until he left public school halfway through tenth grade. He helped

the teacher with the kids who had physical handicaps.

Liz

On May 27, 2006, at 3:27 AM, ppanda65@... wrote:

> My son had most of his problems in itinerant classes (art, music,

> gym). The

> IEP team was aware of it and we made modifications when necessary

> (little

> bits of the classes at first, then a break if needed during the

> class, training

> of the teachers etc). The school can also provide APE (adaptive

> physical

> education) if the child just cannot tolerate regular gym class. I

> would ask

> your IEP team about it. It is a child's right to be included in

> everything to

> the best of their ability. Pam

[Guest guest]

I agree. With all the questions I am posting, I will be glad to forward the

outcome of the IEP meeting which is on June 5th.

Faulkner <mkisses@...> wrote:

Then they need to provide, by law, alternative art, PE and the such. It is

your child's right.

Re: ( ) What they miss out on while in special classes

I am addressing this very thing with our IEP team.

Our son as denied PE, art, music, etc... not because of schedule conflicts

but because " we tried that and it didn't work. " A direct quote made by the

Autism Coordinator on the IEP team.

The laws state that PE and other electives must be modified so that children

with special needs can benefit from the same educational experiences as typical

peers. If an elective not going to be provided to a student, it has to be

written in their IEP with explaination why the service can not be provided even

with modifications and adaptations. This is not a direct quote of the law.

This is what I remember reading.

I " might " be bold enough, (still thinking about it) to ask for (in writing)

music lessons to be provided afterschool since he has been unjustly denied the

opportunity to participate in electives. Why not? My 15 yo NT daughter is

excelling in her Spanish Class. I am so proud of her and happy that she is

enjoying learning a foreign language. I think foreign language and computer

classes are very important. But why can't my son have the same opportunity?

Doesn't make sense. So....I may ask for at least one elective to be provided

afterschool since they can't seem to figure out how to " make it work. "

That's my 2 cents.

Marsha

Sheri Briley <aspie_pride@...> wrote:

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his

electives for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS child

has missed out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his 7th grade

year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in

7th & 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot

of the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into

classes that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group settings

and additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the

schools, other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling, group

meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand, for

anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's been

doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And then they

complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him grade level

work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

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Subject: ( ) What they miss out on while in special classes

I just got the registration materials for my 6th grader to pick his

electives for junior high & I'm beginning to realize what my 8th grade AS

child has missed out on.

While took social skills and OT time during the school day,

will be getting Art classes, Instrumental Music, and Spanish in his

7th grade year.

While was in a self-contained math class (doing basic arithmatic in

7th & 8th grades & bored out of his skull!) will be taking algebra &

geometry in 7th & 8th grades.

I'm very concerned that has missed (and will continue to miss) alot

of the educational, enriching experiences in electives, and be placed into

classes that he surpassed years ago, all because he needs small group

settings and additional OT & social skills help.

Is there a way to get the OT & social skills support, provided by the

schools, other than during class times? (ie weekend or evening counseling,

group meetings?) He doesn't have time in his schedule, the way things stand,

for anything other than the basics, and many of them remedial to boot. He's

been doing what's expected of him by the schools, and not one bit more! And

then they complained that he's not working at grade level....well, give him

grade level work, and see what you get.

Hugs & Peace,

Sheri Briley

http://my2.tupperware.com/johnbriley

Ahhh yes. I had the same realization when my dd got to middle school and I

began to see all the nice things NT kids get to do! Lol. Not a good

feeling.

Yes, you ds can get therapies any way it works. You can request he have

therapy outside the school day and even with a private provider. The school

can contract with people outside to do this stuff. Mine does. We even had

ST written into the IEP to be done in the evenings by a private ST because

he refused to leave class.

Also, he doesn't have to be in poor boring classes. They need to provide

him an appropriate education. That doesn't mean watered down easy stuff

just because they didn't bother to tailor his education to meet his needs.

Roxanna