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Why would your child not be on grade level? That would be a problem for me and

I would work with the IEP team to address the deficit areas and get him back on

track.

I do like having our kids included in the mix. However, they can give

alternative testing when necessary. I know one kid here who is seriously behind

due to being in sped too long (lol) gets an alternative assessment, less

questions per page, help with reading. All of these supports must be written in

the IEP first though.

Roxanna

( ) End of grade testing

With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have

some sort of end of grade testing structure. Until about 4 years ago,

in our area at least, EC kids were exempted from EOG due to their EC

status. However, when my son hit 3rd grade (first year they test at

here), the exemption was removed because it gave an inaccurate

assessment of the school as a whole.

My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this.

Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint most

of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for end of

grade??? Does this make sense?

I'd like to hear comments, etc. about this issue.

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I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people

don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While

accommodations

or modifications can be made in those subjects for other curriculum,

such as science or

social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you

don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is necessary

and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can

provide the services

necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many

teachers think this, too.

And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools.

Jackie

> ( ) End of grade testing

>

>

> With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have

> some sort of end of grade testing structure.

<snip>

> My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this.

> Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint

> most

> of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> end of

> grade??? Does this make sense?

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Roxanna & Jackie,

This may sound stupid but how would one begin to get back on track?

My son is at varying levels of competency... he reads probably at

grade level but his expressive abilities are well below grade level.

Also, his written output is horrible which I believe is more a motor

skill or mechanical problem. No, he does not get OT nor does he have

use of an alpha smart or whatever in school. His math goals are so

behind it's not even funny. Do the goals have to be so specific so

they are more in keeping with curriculum, or can't they be simplified

as to something like " performs at 3rd grade level based on NC

Standard Course of Study " or whatever? Or do I have to become more

familiar as to WHAT the standard course of study is in order to get

everything in??? Tony's academic goals are so simple he's bound

to " pass " , yet he is further and further behind in pacing.

I try to find out everyday WHAT he studied at school but he has a

hard time breaking it down into details. Short of sitting in class

for a few days and observing, I can't seem to find out. There is

very little daily communication from the teacher either.

I am QUITE open to ideas and suggestions!

>

> >

>

> I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people

> don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While

> accommodations

> or modifications can be made in those subjects for other

curriculum,

> such as science or

> social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you

> don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is

necessary

> and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can

> provide the services

> necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many

> teachers think this, too.

> And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools.

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

> > ( ) End of grade testing

> >

> >

> > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states

have

> > some sort of end of grade testing structure.

>

> <snip>

> > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through

this.

> > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum

standpoint

> > most

> > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> > end of

> > grade??? Does this make sense?

>

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Hi

This is an important post/question for our family too which is still going

through the evaluation process to determine if our child has AS. My daughter is

in 5K but older than most her classmates. She reads at or above grade level but

is not good in math or handwriting. She also reads by sight words instead of

using phonics to sound words out. The school insists she does not know her

letter sounds, but she actually does. She can match letters appropriately with

pictures. She just doesn't sound out stuff when reading.

I look forward to learning alot in this group & maybe meeting some other

people from my state.

(North Carolina)

chaissonmary <chaissonmary@...> wrote:

Roxanna & Jackie,

This may sound stupid but how would one begin to get back on track?

My son is at varying levels of competency... he reads probably at

grade level but his expressive abilities are well below grade level.

Also, his written output is horrible which I believe is more a motor

skill or mechanical problem. No, he does not get OT nor does he have

use of an alpha smart or whatever in school. His math goals are so

behind it's not even funny. Do the goals have to be so specific so

they are more in keeping with curriculum, or can't they be simplified

as to something like " performs at 3rd grade level based on NC

Standard Course of Study " or whatever? Or do I have to become more

familiar as to WHAT the standard course of study is in order to get

everything in??? Tony's academic goals are so simple he's bound

to " pass " , yet he is further and further behind in pacing.

I try to find out everyday WHAT he studied at school but he has a

hard time breaking it down into details. Short of sitting in class

for a few days and observing, I can't seem to find out. There is

very little daily communication from the teacher either.

I am QUITE open to ideas and suggestions!

>

> >

>

> I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people

> don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While

> accommodations

> or modifications can be made in those subjects for other

curriculum,

> such as science or

> social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you

> don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is

necessary

> and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can

> provide the services

> necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many

> teachers think this, too.

> And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools.

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

> > ( ) End of grade testing

> >

> >

> > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states

have

> > some sort of end of grade testing structure.

>

> <snip>

> > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through

this.

> > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum

standpoint

> > most

> > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> > end of

> > grade??? Does this make sense?

>

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Can you arrange for work samples to be seen ? We had to get my

son's new teacher to send home work samples each week so we could

see how he is doing. Then we make copies and send them back. Where

in NC are you, we're in NC too, Fayetteville.

> >

> > >

> >

> > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people

> > don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While

> > accommodations

> > or modifications can be made in those subjects for other

> curriculum,

> > such as science or

> > social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level,

you

> > don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is

> necessary

> > and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can

> > provide the services

> > necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many

> > teachers think this, too.

> > And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools.

> >

> > Jackie

> >

> >

> >

> > > ( ) End of grade testing

> > >

> > >

> > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states

> have

> > > some sort of end of grade testing structure.

> >

> > <snip>

> > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through

> this.

> > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum

> standpoint

> > > most

> > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> > > end of

> > > grade??? Does this make sense?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi

We are in High Point, NC. My daughter got lucky and was picked for one of the

local magnet schools. I would not have wanted her at the school in our district,

we hope to move before next school year. Although I will try to get her in the

same magnet program next year. If you write me privately at

redlibrary72@... then I can tell you some of what we are currently doing

and maybe you can give me some pointers.

My mother taught 5K for 30 years before retiring so homework samples for my

daughters 5K class are not needed but that is a great idea for when she moves on

to the higher grades. One thing I do though is Saturday homeschool for 2 hrs,

giving her Sunday off. I'll explain more about this later.

E-Pal,

Morton

<mkisses@...> wrote:

Can you arrange for work samples to be seen ? We had to get my

son's new teacher to send home work samples each week so we could

see how he is doing. Then we make copies and send them back. Where

in NC are you, we're in NC too, Fayetteville.

> >

> > >

> >

> > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people

> > don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While

> > accommodations

> > or modifications can be made in those subjects for other

> curriculum,

> > such as science or

> > social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level,

you

> > don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is

> necessary

> > and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can

> > provide the services

> > necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many

> > teachers think this, too.

> > And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools.

> >

> > Jackie

> >

> >

> >

> > > ( ) End of grade testing

> > >

> > >

> > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states

> have

> > > some sort of end of grade testing structure.

> >

> > <snip>

> > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through

> this.

> > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum

> standpoint

> > > most

> > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> > > end of

> > > grade??? Does this make sense?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Roxanna & Jackie,

>

> This may sound stupid but how would one begin to get back on

track?

> My son is at varying levels of competency... he reads probably at

> grade level but his expressive abilities are well below grade

level.

> Also, his written output is horrible which I believe is more a

motor

> skill or mechanical problem. No, he does not get OT nor does he

have

> use of an alpha smart or whatever in school. His math goals are

so

> behind it's not even funny. Do the goals have to be so specific

so

> they are more in keeping with curriculum, or can't they be

simplified

> as to something like " performs at 3rd grade level based on NC

> Standard Course of Study " or whatever? Or do I have to become

more

> familiar as to WHAT the standard course of study is in order to

get

> everything in??? Tony's academic goals are so simple he's bound

> to " pass " , yet he is further and further behind in pacing.

>

> I try to find out everyday WHAT he studied at school but he has a

> hard time breaking it down into details. Short of sitting in

class

> for a few days and observing, I can't seem to find out. There is

> very little daily communication from the teacher either.

>

> I am QUITE open to ideas and suggestions!

>

I know that in California to find out what the standards are for

each grade you can go to the state education dept and find out. I

believe that its that way in most states. I hope that this was

helpful.

Sharina

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Of course they don't bring all kids up to grade level all the time. It's the

parents who push who get that little bit of assistance for their kid. If you

don't monitor things and keep on top of it, it won't happen. There will be kids

who will not be at grade level - but those should be kids with more severe

autism or MR. Kids here in our forum should be at grade level unless there is a

massive issue preventing this - and then that should be getting remediated.

Roxanna

( ) End of grade testing

>

>

> With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have

> some sort of end of grade testing structure.

<snip>

> My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this.

> Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint

> most

> of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> end of

> grade??? Does this make sense?

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I would gather test scores and write my own PLOP for my kid. Then I would focus

on areas that are way behind and expect that he receive instruction designed to

bring him up to grade level. If his expressive abilities are behind he should

be in Speech and/or special instruction for improving writing skills - depending

upon the problem with expression you meant (or both). He's not getting OT but

sounds like he should be if he can't write legibly. Ask for an evaluation and

if the school doesn't do a very good evaluation, then request an outside

evaluation at their expense. Data proves the need. For the handwriting thing,

I would collect a ton of his paperwork from classes and take those in for the

next meeting to show need.

Goals should be very specific. Anything vague and how will you know if he has

achieved the goal? At wrightslaw conferences, Mr. explains it by

comparing it to losing weight. If you don't have a goal, how will you know when

you get to it? If you say, " I'm going to lose weight " - you won't. If you say,

" I will lost 6 pounds by the end of the month. " This is a goal. Use the same

logic with school goals. If he is ok in reading but his reading comprehension

is poor, for example, he can get special instruction to learn how to improve

reading comprehension and the goal would be that he scores higher on the test

being used to define the problem. How high is a matter of choice with the team

- how much progress can he make? Just be sure the rate of progress is not so

slow that he is actually getting farther behind. Sometimes people don't realize

that their child can make progress and still be farther behind.

Roxanna

( ) End of grade testing

> >

> >

> > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states

have

> > some sort of end of grade testing structure.

>

> <snip>

> > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through

this.

> > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum

standpoint

> > most

> > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for

> > end of

> > grade??? Does this make sense?

>

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