Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Why would your child not be on grade level? That would be a problem for me and I would work with the IEP team to address the deficit areas and get him back on track. I do like having our kids included in the mix. However, they can give alternative testing when necessary. I know one kid here who is seriously behind due to being in sped too long (lol) gets an alternative assessment, less questions per page, help with reading. All of these supports must be written in the IEP first though. Roxanna ( ) End of grade testing With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have some sort of end of grade testing structure. Until about 4 years ago, in our area at least, EC kids were exempted from EOG due to their EC status. However, when my son hit 3rd grade (first year they test at here), the exemption was removed because it gave an inaccurate assessment of the school as a whole. My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this. Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint most of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for end of grade??? Does this make sense? I'd like to hear comments, etc. about this issue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: 10/31/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While accommodations or modifications can be made in those subjects for other curriculum, such as science or social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is necessary and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can provide the services necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many teachers think this, too. And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools. Jackie > ( ) End of grade testing > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have > some sort of end of grade testing structure. <snip> > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this. > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint > most > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > end of > grade??? Does this make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Roxanna & Jackie, This may sound stupid but how would one begin to get back on track? My son is at varying levels of competency... he reads probably at grade level but his expressive abilities are well below grade level. Also, his written output is horrible which I believe is more a motor skill or mechanical problem. No, he does not get OT nor does he have use of an alpha smart or whatever in school. His math goals are so behind it's not even funny. Do the goals have to be so specific so they are more in keeping with curriculum, or can't they be simplified as to something like " performs at 3rd grade level based on NC Standard Course of Study " or whatever? Or do I have to become more familiar as to WHAT the standard course of study is in order to get everything in??? Tony's academic goals are so simple he's bound to " pass " , yet he is further and further behind in pacing. I try to find out everyday WHAT he studied at school but he has a hard time breaking it down into details. Short of sitting in class for a few days and observing, I can't seem to find out. There is very little daily communication from the teacher either. I am QUITE open to ideas and suggestions! > > > > > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people > don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While > accommodations > or modifications can be made in those subjects for other curriculum, > such as science or > social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you > don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is necessary > and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can > provide the services > necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many > teachers think this, too. > And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools. > > Jackie > > > > > ( ) End of grade testing > > > > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have > > some sort of end of grade testing structure. > > <snip> > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this. > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint > > most > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > > end of > > grade??? Does this make sense? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi This is an important post/question for our family too which is still going through the evaluation process to determine if our child has AS. My daughter is in 5K but older than most her classmates. She reads at or above grade level but is not good in math or handwriting. She also reads by sight words instead of using phonics to sound words out. The school insists she does not know her letter sounds, but she actually does. She can match letters appropriately with pictures. She just doesn't sound out stuff when reading. I look forward to learning alot in this group & maybe meeting some other people from my state. (North Carolina) chaissonmary <chaissonmary@...> wrote: Roxanna & Jackie, This may sound stupid but how would one begin to get back on track? My son is at varying levels of competency... he reads probably at grade level but his expressive abilities are well below grade level. Also, his written output is horrible which I believe is more a motor skill or mechanical problem. No, he does not get OT nor does he have use of an alpha smart or whatever in school. His math goals are so behind it's not even funny. Do the goals have to be so specific so they are more in keeping with curriculum, or can't they be simplified as to something like " performs at 3rd grade level based on NC Standard Course of Study " or whatever? Or do I have to become more familiar as to WHAT the standard course of study is in order to get everything in??? Tony's academic goals are so simple he's bound to " pass " , yet he is further and further behind in pacing. I try to find out everyday WHAT he studied at school but he has a hard time breaking it down into details. Short of sitting in class for a few days and observing, I can't seem to find out. There is very little daily communication from the teacher either. I am QUITE open to ideas and suggestions! > > > > > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people > don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While > accommodations > or modifications can be made in those subjects for other curriculum, > such as science or > social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you > don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is necessary > and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can > provide the services > necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many > teachers think this, too. > And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools. > > Jackie > > > > > ( ) End of grade testing > > > > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have > > some sort of end of grade testing structure. > > <snip> > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this. > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint > > most > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > > end of > > grade??? Does this make sense? > --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Can you arrange for work samples to be seen ? We had to get my son's new teacher to send home work samples each week so we could see how he is doing. Then we make copies and send them back. Where in NC are you, we're in NC too, Fayetteville. > > > > > > > > > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people > > don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While > > accommodations > > or modifications can be made in those subjects for other > curriculum, > > such as science or > > social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you > > don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is > necessary > > and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can > > provide the services > > necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many > > teachers think this, too. > > And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools. > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > ( ) End of grade testing > > > > > > > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states > have > > > some sort of end of grade testing structure. > > > > <snip> > > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through > this. > > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum > standpoint > > > most > > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > > > end of > > > grade??? Does this make sense? > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hi We are in High Point, NC. My daughter got lucky and was picked for one of the local magnet schools. I would not have wanted her at the school in our district, we hope to move before next school year. Although I will try to get her in the same magnet program next year. If you write me privately at redlibrary72@... then I can tell you some of what we are currently doing and maybe you can give me some pointers. My mother taught 5K for 30 years before retiring so homework samples for my daughters 5K class are not needed but that is a great idea for when she moves on to the higher grades. One thing I do though is Saturday homeschool for 2 hrs, giving her Sunday off. I'll explain more about this later. E-Pal, Morton <mkisses@...> wrote: Can you arrange for work samples to be seen ? We had to get my son's new teacher to send home work samples each week so we could see how he is doing. Then we make copies and send them back. Where in NC are you, we're in NC too, Fayetteville. > > > > > > > > > I can tell you it doesn't make sense to many people. Some people > > don't work at grade level, especially in reading and math. While > > accommodations > > or modifications can be made in those subjects for other > curriculum, > > such as science or > > social studies....if you don't know how to read at grade level, you > > don't know how to read at grade level. While remediation is > necessary > > and desired, I think it is unrealistic to think that schools can > > provide the services > > necessary to bring everyone up to grade level all the time. Many > > teachers think this, too. > > And it leads to all sorts of weird unwritten policies in schools. > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > ( ) End of grade testing > > > > > > > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states > have > > > some sort of end of grade testing structure. > > > > <snip> > > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through > this. > > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum > standpoint > > > most > > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > > > end of > > > grade??? Does this make sense? > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 > > Roxanna & Jackie, > > This may sound stupid but how would one begin to get back on track? > My son is at varying levels of competency... he reads probably at > grade level but his expressive abilities are well below grade level. > Also, his written output is horrible which I believe is more a motor > skill or mechanical problem. No, he does not get OT nor does he have > use of an alpha smart or whatever in school. His math goals are so > behind it's not even funny. Do the goals have to be so specific so > they are more in keeping with curriculum, or can't they be simplified > as to something like " performs at 3rd grade level based on NC > Standard Course of Study " or whatever? Or do I have to become more > familiar as to WHAT the standard course of study is in order to get > everything in??? Tony's academic goals are so simple he's bound > to " pass " , yet he is further and further behind in pacing. > > I try to find out everyday WHAT he studied at school but he has a > hard time breaking it down into details. Short of sitting in class > for a few days and observing, I can't seem to find out. There is > very little daily communication from the teacher either. > > I am QUITE open to ideas and suggestions! > I know that in California to find out what the standards are for each grade you can go to the state education dept and find out. I believe that its that way in most states. I hope that this was helpful. Sharina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Of course they don't bring all kids up to grade level all the time. It's the parents who push who get that little bit of assistance for their kid. If you don't monitor things and keep on top of it, it won't happen. There will be kids who will not be at grade level - but those should be kids with more severe autism or MR. Kids here in our forum should be at grade level unless there is a massive issue preventing this - and then that should be getting remediated. Roxanna ( ) End of grade testing > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have > some sort of end of grade testing structure. <snip> > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this. > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint > most > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > end of > grade??? Does this make sense? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I would gather test scores and write my own PLOP for my kid. Then I would focus on areas that are way behind and expect that he receive instruction designed to bring him up to grade level. If his expressive abilities are behind he should be in Speech and/or special instruction for improving writing skills - depending upon the problem with expression you meant (or both). He's not getting OT but sounds like he should be if he can't write legibly. Ask for an evaluation and if the school doesn't do a very good evaluation, then request an outside evaluation at their expense. Data proves the need. For the handwriting thing, I would collect a ton of his paperwork from classes and take those in for the next meeting to show need. Goals should be very specific. Anything vague and how will you know if he has achieved the goal? At wrightslaw conferences, Mr. explains it by comparing it to losing weight. If you don't have a goal, how will you know when you get to it? If you say, " I'm going to lose weight " - you won't. If you say, " I will lost 6 pounds by the end of the month. " This is a goal. Use the same logic with school goals. If he is ok in reading but his reading comprehension is poor, for example, he can get special instruction to learn how to improve reading comprehension and the goal would be that he scores higher on the test being used to define the problem. How high is a matter of choice with the team - how much progress can he make? Just be sure the rate of progress is not so slow that he is actually getting farther behind. Sometimes people don't realize that their child can make progress and still be farther behind. Roxanna ( ) End of grade testing > > > > > > With all the " No Child Left Behind " stuff, I assume all states have > > some sort of end of grade testing structure. > > <snip> > > My question is to parents of older kids who have gone through this. > > Since our kids aren't on grade level from a curriculum standpoint > > most > > of the time, how can they be tested on a standardized test for > > end of > > grade??? Does this make sense? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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