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Further support to one of my favorite dictums: When you find something that is

working, keep doing it! As fun as it is to add new protocols, you always risk

exactly this kind of unexpected result.

My best guess would be that the training around T4 may have had an effect at F8,

the social regulation site. Might try training to speed that area up a bit,

especially if there is no reversal in place and if the SMR frequency had been

dropped significantly lower due to client age.

Pete

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> From: " Duncan " <karenduncan@...>

> Date: 2005/09/05 Mon PM 03:07:38 EDT

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> Pete or anyone else~

> I am asking for another home trainer.

> A 9 year old boy who has been helped by C4 SMR, alpha training in the

parietals, some temporal training and an alpha inhibit at FZ. All was going

well until we tried 2 Van Largo Straddle sessions which we thought might be

extra help since the C4 SMR training had been beneficial. After the 2 Van Largo

Straddles, (4 electrodes from CZ to T4 training SMR) the child became extremely

hyper, difficult to deal with and started stealing (stealing was something he

used to do but had not done in a year or so). Needless to say they have not

trained with the Van largo again and all behaviors but the stealing are no

longer a problem. Yesterday he stole from the church cash box during Sunday

school. The Mom is hoping there is something that can be done to help eliminate

his need to steal again. Has anyone run into this situation ? Any advice would

be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

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Hey Pete~

I was waiting for that first comment. :~)

By training up F8 do you mean actually training up SMR and inhibiting the

slow waves or doing something like a 1 C wideband? (already have the right

SMR frequency). Thanks,

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>> Pete or anyone else~

>> I am asking for another home trainer.

>> A 9 year old boy who has been helped by C4 SMR, alpha training in the

>> parietals, some temporal training and an alpha inhibit at FZ. All was

>> going well until we tried 2 Van Largo Straddle sessions which we thought

>> might be extra help since the C4 SMR training had been beneficial. After

>> the 2 Van Largo Straddles, (4 electrodes from CZ to T4 training SMR) the

>> child became extremely hyper, difficult to deal with and started stealing

>> (stealing was something he used to do but had not done in a year or so).

>> Needless to say they have not trained with the Van largo again and all

>> behaviors but the stealing are no longer a problem. Yesterday he stole

>> from the church cash box during Sunday school. The Mom is hoping there

>> is something that can be done to help eliminate his need to steal again.

>> Has anyone run into this situation ? Any advice would be greatly

>> appreciated. Thanks,

>> ~

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I guess I'd try the windowed wideband down but perhaps leave 12-15 in the

window. SMR effect holds in the sensorimotor cortex, but not necessarily

elsewhere. Training to allow the lower frequency to go up at F8 might end up

reinforcing the effect you/your " friend " got by training the SMR band in the

Straddle protocol.

Pete

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> Date: 2005/09/06 Tue PM 02:50:46 EDT

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Thanks Pete! I have only ever tried a full squash at F8. I'll be seeing

the Mom tomorrow and will help her set the design up on her computer. Will

let you know how it goes. Thanks a bunch,

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Pete and others,

I am very interested in this training at F8 and want to make sure I am understanding it correctly.

"windowed wideband down but perhaps leave 12-15 in the window" means 3-12 and 16-38 inhibits? Also, you said if there are no reversals -- meaning frontal reversals? And if there are frontal reversals then do not train at F8 with this windowed squash? Train the reversal first? Thanks in advance for more information.

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If you leave only lobeta in the window (which would be set up as you described,

but combining the inputs with an expression evaluator before running them to the

threshold), you wouldn't need to worry about frontal L/R reversals. Lobeta on

the right is fine.

Pete

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> Date: 2005/09/07 Wed AM 09:30:13 EDT

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> Pete and others,

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> I am very interested in this training at F8 and want to make sure I am

understanding it correctly.

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> " windowed wideband down but perhaps leave 12-15 in the window " means 3-12 and

16-38 inhibits? Also, you said if there are no reversals -- meaning frontal

reversals? And if there are frontal reversals then do not train at F8 with this

windowed squash? Train the reversal first? Thanks in advance for more

information.

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My daughter as AS, FAS, and Frontal Lobe Brain Damage, RAD,

Dyslexia, and Dysgraphia. Stealing is a BIG problem in my house

too. She has been caught stealing 6 times, once from her Priest.

She's 10, she can tell you that stealing is bad, that you go to

prison if you steal, that it is a sin, however it seems that she

just can't stop herself from doing it. I honestly don't understand

it at all. I am taking her to a New Dr. in Rochester, NY at the end

of the month, because the ones closer to home aren't able to help.

When she steals, I make her return the object, say an apology to

whom she stole from, and then I have her go to confessions. I have

NO clue is this is making a difference at all. My fear is that she's

learning that she can steal do these steps, and then go do it again.

KathyJo

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> Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things

twice

> this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and

once

> from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking.

> Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and

been

> extremely apologetic.

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> We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out

an

> appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting

through to

> her, especially after two occurences in the same week.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are

AS

> children more prone to this than other children in general?

>

> Thanks in advance,

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> Jaelynne

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Jaelynn,

We had this problem once, when was 4. He was responsible for

some materials disappearing from the classroom. We treated it like

stealing, because they never reappeared in the classroom. We made him

bring his allowance to the teacher who had owned the objects every

week for six weeks. (His allowance was only two quarters, but believe

me, the point was made.) It hurt him to have to carry those two

quarters to his teacher in an envelope every week. He never did

anything like that again.

Liz

On Oct 5, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Jaelynne wrote:

> Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things twice

> this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and once

> from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking.

> Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and been

> extremely apologetic.

>

> We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out an

> appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting through to

> her, especially after two occurences in the same week.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are AS

> children more prone to this than other children in general?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Jaelynne

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You might try some social stories about stealing so she can work on learning the

concept and that it is wrong to do. Sometimes the lesson doesn't stick unless

it's been retaught and visualized. There are books out there I'm sure. We have

some books that are called, " Help me be good " by Joy Berry. In each story, she

picks a problem situation/behavior and shows in a story why it's not a good

thing to do that - things like being forgetful, lying, stealing, not sharing,

showing off, etc. Very nice books. You can usually find them on ebay in sets

even. But if not, you can write your own social story specific to the problem

as well or search amazon for a book that you feel appropriate.

Roxanna

( ) Stealing?

Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things twice

this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and once

from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking.

Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and been

extremely apologetic.

We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out an

appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting through to

her, especially after two occurences in the same week.

Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are AS

children more prone to this than other children in general?

Thanks in advance,

Jaelynne

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Thanks, Roxanna, I'll try to to find a kid's book about stealing. I

appreciate the advice.

Jaelynne

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> You might try some social stories about stealing so she can work on

learning the concept and that it is wrong to do. Sometimes the

lesson doesn't stick unless it's been retaught and visualized. There

are books out there I'm sure. We have some books that are

called, " Help me be good " by Joy Berry. In each story, she picks a

problem situation/behavior and shows in a story why it's not a good

thing to do that - things like being forgetful, lying, stealing, not

sharing, showing off, etc. Very nice books. You can usually find

them on ebay in sets even. But if not, you can write your own social

story specific to the problem as well or search amazon for a book

that you feel appropriate.

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> Roxanna

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> Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things

twice

> this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and

once

> from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking.

> Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and

been

> extremely apologetic.

>

> We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out

an

> appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting

through to

> her, especially after two occurences in the same week.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are

AS

> children more prone to this than other children in general?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Jaelynne

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