Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 , Further support to one of my favorite dictums: When you find something that is working, keep doing it! As fun as it is to add new protocols, you always risk exactly this kind of unexpected result. My best guess would be that the training around T4 may have had an effect at F8, the social regulation site. Might try training to speed that area up a bit, especially if there is no reversal in place and if the SMR frequency had been dropped significantly lower due to client age. Pete > > From: " Duncan " <karenduncan@...> > Date: 2005/09/05 Mon PM 03:07:38 EDT > < > > Subject: stealing? > > Pete or anyone else~ > I am asking for another home trainer. > A 9 year old boy who has been helped by C4 SMR, alpha training in the parietals, some temporal training and an alpha inhibit at FZ. All was going well until we tried 2 Van Largo Straddle sessions which we thought might be extra help since the C4 SMR training had been beneficial. After the 2 Van Largo Straddles, (4 electrodes from CZ to T4 training SMR) the child became extremely hyper, difficult to deal with and started stealing (stealing was something he used to do but had not done in a year or so). Needless to say they have not trained with the Van largo again and all behaviors but the stealing are no longer a problem. Yesterday he stole from the church cash box during Sunday school. The Mom is hoping there is something that can be done to help eliminate his need to steal again. Has anyone run into this situation ? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > ~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Hey Pete~ I was waiting for that first comment. :~) By training up F8 do you mean actually training up SMR and inhibiting the slow waves or doing something like a 1 C wideband? (already have the right SMR frequency). Thanks, ~ stealing? >> >> Pete or anyone else~ >> I am asking for another home trainer. >> A 9 year old boy who has been helped by C4 SMR, alpha training in the >> parietals, some temporal training and an alpha inhibit at FZ. All was >> going well until we tried 2 Van Largo Straddle sessions which we thought >> might be extra help since the C4 SMR training had been beneficial. After >> the 2 Van Largo Straddles, (4 electrodes from CZ to T4 training SMR) the >> child became extremely hyper, difficult to deal with and started stealing >> (stealing was something he used to do but had not done in a year or so). >> Needless to say they have not trained with the Van largo again and all >> behaviors but the stealing are no longer a problem. Yesterday he stole >> from the church cash box during Sunday school. The Mom is hoping there >> is something that can be done to help eliminate his need to steal again. >> Has anyone run into this situation ? Any advice would be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks, >> ~ >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 , I guess I'd try the windowed wideband down but perhaps leave 12-15 in the window. SMR effect holds in the sensorimotor cortex, but not necessarily elsewhere. Training to allow the lower frequency to go up at F8 might end up reinforcing the effect you/your " friend " got by training the SMR band in the Straddle protocol. Pete > > From: " Duncan " <karenduncan@...> > Date: 2005/09/06 Tue PM 02:50:46 EDT > < > > Subject: Re: stealing? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Thanks Pete! I have only ever tried a full squash at F8. I'll be seeing the Mom tomorrow and will help her set the design up on her computer. Will let you know how it goes. Thanks a bunch, ~ Re: stealing? >> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Pete and others, I am very interested in this training at F8 and want to make sure I am understanding it correctly. "windowed wideband down but perhaps leave 12-15 in the window" means 3-12 and 16-38 inhibits? Also, you said if there are no reversals -- meaning frontal reversals? And if there are frontal reversals then do not train at F8 with this windowed squash? Train the reversal first? Thanks in advance for more information. --Warmly, This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. --------- Re: stealing? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 , If you leave only lobeta in the window (which would be set up as you described, but combining the inputs with an expression evaluator before running them to the threshold), you wouldn't need to worry about frontal L/R reversals. Lobeta on the right is fine. Pete > > From: mtlindsey@... > Date: 2005/09/07 Wed AM 09:30:13 EDT > > Subject: Re: Re: stealing? > > Pete and others, > > I am very interested in this training at F8 and want to make sure I am understanding it correctly. > > " windowed wideband down but perhaps leave 12-15 in the window " means 3-12 and 16-38 inhibits? Also, you said if there are no reversals -- meaning frontal reversals? And if there are frontal reversals then do not train at F8 with this windowed squash? Train the reversal first? Thanks in advance for more information. > -- > Warmly, > > > > > This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. > > --------- Re: stealing? > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 My daughter as AS, FAS, and Frontal Lobe Brain Damage, RAD, Dyslexia, and Dysgraphia. Stealing is a BIG problem in my house too. She has been caught stealing 6 times, once from her Priest. She's 10, she can tell you that stealing is bad, that you go to prison if you steal, that it is a sin, however it seems that she just can't stop herself from doing it. I honestly don't understand it at all. I am taking her to a New Dr. in Rochester, NY at the end of the month, because the ones closer to home aren't able to help. When she steals, I make her return the object, say an apology to whom she stole from, and then I have her go to confessions. I have NO clue is this is making a difference at all. My fear is that she's learning that she can steal do these steps, and then go do it again. KathyJo > > Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things twice > this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and once > from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking. > Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and been > extremely apologetic. > > We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out an > appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting through to > her, especially after two occurences in the same week. > > Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are AS > children more prone to this than other children in general? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jaelynne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Jaelynn, We had this problem once, when was 4. He was responsible for some materials disappearing from the classroom. We treated it like stealing, because they never reappeared in the classroom. We made him bring his allowance to the teacher who had owned the objects every week for six weeks. (His allowance was only two quarters, but believe me, the point was made.) It hurt him to have to carry those two quarters to his teacher in an envelope every week. He never did anything like that again. Liz On Oct 5, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Jaelynne wrote: > Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things twice > this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and once > from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking. > Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and been > extremely apologetic. > > We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out an > appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting through to > her, especially after two occurences in the same week. > > Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are AS > children more prone to this than other children in general? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jaelynne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 You might try some social stories about stealing so she can work on learning the concept and that it is wrong to do. Sometimes the lesson doesn't stick unless it's been retaught and visualized. There are books out there I'm sure. We have some books that are called, " Help me be good " by Joy Berry. In each story, she picks a problem situation/behavior and shows in a story why it's not a good thing to do that - things like being forgetful, lying, stealing, not sharing, showing off, etc. Very nice books. You can usually find them on ebay in sets even. But if not, you can write your own social story specific to the problem as well or search amazon for a book that you feel appropriate. Roxanna ( ) Stealing? Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things twice this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and once from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking. Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and been extremely apologetic. We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out an appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting through to her, especially after two occurences in the same week. Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are AS children more prone to this than other children in general? Thanks in advance, Jaelynne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Thanks, Roxanna, I'll try to to find a kid's book about stealing. I appreciate the advice. Jaelynne > > You might try some social stories about stealing so she can work on learning the concept and that it is wrong to do. Sometimes the lesson doesn't stick unless it's been retaught and visualized. There are books out there I'm sure. We have some books that are called, " Help me be good " by Joy Berry. In each story, she picks a problem situation/behavior and shows in a story why it's not a good thing to do that - things like being forgetful, lying, stealing, not sharing, showing off, etc. Very nice books. You can usually find them on ebay in sets even. But if not, you can write your own social story specific to the problem as well or search amazon for a book that you feel appropriate. > > Roxanna > ( ) Stealing? > > > Our six-year-old Asperger's Daughter has tried to steal things twice > this weeek: Once from a store while she was with her Dad, and once > from her classroom, while she thought the teacher wasn't looking. > Both times, after being caught, she has broken down crying and been > extremely apologetic. > > We've done our best to explain how this is wrong and to mete out an > appropriate consequence, but we are not sure we are getting through to > her, especially after two occurences in the same week. > > Does anyone else have experience with this in their AS child? Are AS > children more prone to this than other children in general? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jaelynne > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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