RE: One question on losing recess

[Guest guest]

I used to teach, but I taught middle school. I think it depends on state law. I

don't think lower elementary is required to give kids recesss time, but maybe it

is only for the older kids.

My question would be where do they draw the line?

Andib

<cmcintosh5@...> wrote:

Our kids are also very smart.. And sometimes we forget that.. And they must

have consequences when they forget to do their homework. I think. Based

only on that situation it seems it was a good decision.

As for if a child can be kept in?? I am not sure.

Do you think the teacher was being unfair?

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

Our kids are also very smart.. And sometimes we forget that.. And they must

have consequences when they forget to do their homework. I think. Based

only on that situation it seems it was a good decision.

As for if a child can be kept in?? I am not sure.

Do you think the teacher was being unfair?

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

We have it written in our IEP that my grandaughter is not to be kept in at

recess . She needs this time to unwind, release, what ever you want to call it,

so she is able to sit in class. You need to talk to the teacher about this

or have it put in his IEP.

[Guest guest]

And does he have an IEP?? There should be some clear reprimands that are

acceptable to you.. And that will work with him spelled out in there .

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

Thanks, we have a CSE meeting soon, I will put that in there.

NinnaTerry@... wrote: We have it written in our IEP that my grandaughter is

not to be kept in at

recess . She needs this time to unwind, release, what ever you want to call it,

so she is able to sit in class. You need to talk to the teacher about this

or have it put in his IEP.

[Guest guest]

Yes, he does have an IEP, this has never happen before. this teacher just

started this approx 6 months ago to make the children more responsible. I will

FIX this at his CSE meeting that is coming up soon. thanks

<cmcintosh5@...> wrote: And does he have an IEP?? There should be

some clear reprimands that are

acceptable to you.. And that will work with him spelled out in there .

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

Hi

My son does forget things and its very hard for him to remember, even when its

his favorite things. He loved his gameboy so very much and lost it. even

though I didn't run out and buy him another gameboy. that didn't teach him to

remember where he puts his things or make him more responsible with anything he

owns. you asked if I think that was unfair? if the teacher gave the class a

math paper in school and asked him to complete it and instead he drew a picture

on the paper, I would then say, yes, it was fair for her to keep him in, to

complete the math paper because he is capable of doing it, and it was part of

his class work. but, to keep him in because he forgot his homework at home will

not help him/or teach him to remember to bring it to school the next time.

thanks for responding OH, yes, our kids are very smart and sometimes the

teachers forget they have autism. but, I understand what you meant by that. I

bit my tongue alot.

<cmcintosh5@...> wrote:

Our kids are also very smart.. And sometimes we forget that.. And they must

have consequences when they forget to do their homework. I think. Based

only on that situation it seems it was a good decision.

As for if a child can be kept in?? I am not sure.

Do you think the teacher was being unfair?

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

seems like the question changed to " where do you draw the line " ? that answer is

hard to say because each child is different. what works for one doesn't work

with another. Right now, Its not teaching him to be more responsible. but, he

didn't regress either. He is getting older and the more things I let him do to

make him more responsible, I can see where he is more immature compared to the

other children in his class. today, when we were leaving for school. I

didn't say anything till we got outside. then I said to him: where is your

backpack? he quickly realized he forgot it, ran upstairs & got it. Question

" where do you draw the line " ? should I have not said anything, let him go to

school without his backpack and let the teacher keep him in from recess? would

this make him remember his homework/backpack the next time? or would it make

him hate school and I have a bigger problem? Where do I draw the line?

AndiB <cca1960@...> wrote: I used to teach, but I taught middle school.

I think it depends on state law. I don't think lower elementary is required to

give kids recesss time, but maybe it is only for the older kids.

My question would be where do they draw the line?

Andib

<cmcintosh5@...> wrote:

Our kids are also very smart.. And sometimes we forget that.. And they must

have consequences when they forget to do their homework. I think. Based

only on that situation it seems it was a good decision.

As for if a child can be kept in?? I am not sure.

Do you think the teacher was being unfair?

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

Hon you are preaching to the choir.. My son does the same thing.. And after

the 10th Time.. He got consequences.. That I had agreed to with my son's

teacher. My son however is lucky enough to be in a self contained classroom

and we are trying behaviour modification.. With him.. Meaning he forgets his

homework for the third time.. He stays in to do it...

Now I don't know your sons age.. Or if this was the first time or the tenth

time .. But.. Either way you are the parent.. And I do believe that YOU

should have the final say Hon... If you feel that removing recess is unfair.

.. Then so do I.. Because only you know your child best. And in the grand

scheme of things.. There are bigger fish to fry in this world LOL

Does he have an IEP?? Make sure that in that IEP recess is NOT taken away..

I know my son's buddy .. Would be hell on wheels if recess were taken away..

But.. Rather they use another form of.. Consequences for him.. Like two

more math questions LOL..

PS My son will also willfully " forget " his homework in the winter time LOL

he hates the cold.. YUP >> LOL that's my boy ROFLOL

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

That sounds good!! Yup... They have to remember you are the parent... I

sure hope there is a law about not being able to take away recess... Either

way.. I think an IEP stipulation would take care of it. I hope.. GULP...

-- ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

[Guest guest]

Subject: ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

*****I suppose I would try to figure out why he is forgetting his homework.

Did he forget to do it or to bring it to school? Forgetting to bring books

and papers home or forgetting turn those papers in at school can be a common

problem that needs solutions and not punishment. From experience on my end,

I know that there can be a host of problems just to do this " simple " task!

My older ds would even sit in class and not process that he was supposed to

be turning in his homework paper. The phrase, " Pass your homework to the

front " did not apply to him personally. Lol. We had to work on that one

differently than punishing him.

He also had a really horrible time with memory as well - both short and long

term scores were all terrible and at the bottom! So this also contributed

to problems he had with organizational skills. He had to have the help and

structure built in for him. Now he does better but it's still difficult for

him to remember. And worse, he won't use an agenda because he feels he can

remember on his own -which he can't!

My other one forgets homework because he is so done with school and doesn't

feel he should have to do more school when he gets home. In some ways, I

tend to agree because he's held himself together and he's really in need of

release when he gets home! It is really hard to get him to sit and do work

and I will only go so far with it. He does not mind if he has to stay in at

recess either. And at times the teacher lets him turn his work in one day

later for a grade lower instead of missing recess. I feel these are

acceptable natural consequences for him. But if it were my older ds, I

would not find these acceptable due to his specific problems.

In this way, I think you have to evaluate the problems of the child, the

reason(s) things are not working and try to find an acceptable method of

fixing the problem. There are times when the usual punishment does not have

an effect of our kids. And if the problem is a result of lack of skills in

organization or similar, then punishment will probably do more harm and

nothing good. Without teaching the skills, the problem will never resolve,

if it can be resolved.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Hi Roxanna,

My son is more like your older son, They are working with his organization in

school by having an index card on his desk which he has to check off things that

he completed to help him stay on task. He forgets to bring his library book to

the library at school, even though its in his backpack in his class.

organization is very hard for him and they know this because they are working on

it with him. but, his teacher thinks that will make him more responsible to

remember his things by taking away his favorite part of school (recess). they

also know he has lots of energy to burn off too. Roxanne, I sent him to school

with " thank you cards " for the children that came to his birthday party and when

I picked him up from school at the end of the day, My son still had the thank

you cards. forgot the 2nd day too. the 3rd day he lost them. He will do the

same with money too. I'll send him to school with money that he asked for to

buy a book that he always wanted and

forgot or lost the money, or forgot about the bookfair completely. This is why

I can't see how taking away recess will help him remember.

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote:

Subject: ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

*****I suppose I would try to figure out why he is forgetting his homework.

Did he forget to do it or to bring it to school? Forgetting to bring books

and papers home or forgetting turn those papers in at school can be a common

problem that needs solutions and not punishment. From experience on my end,

I know that there can be a host of problems just to do this " simple " task!

My older ds would even sit in class and not process that he was supposed to

be turning in his homework paper. The phrase, " Pass your homework to the

front " did not apply to him personally. Lol. We had to work on that one

differently than punishing him.

He also had a really horrible time with memory as well - both short and long

term scores were all terrible and at the bottom! So this also contributed

to problems he had with organizational skills. He had to have the help and

structure built in for him. Now he does better but it's still difficult for

him to remember. And worse, he won't use an agenda because he feels he can

remember on his own -which he can't!

My other one forgets homework because he is so done with school and doesn't

feel he should have to do more school when he gets home. In some ways, I

tend to agree because he's held himself together and he's really in need of

release when he gets home! It is really hard to get him to sit and do work

and I will only go so far with it. He does not mind if he has to stay in at

recess either. And at times the teacher lets him turn his work in one day

later for a grade lower instead of missing recess. I feel these are

acceptable natural consequences for him. But if it were my older ds, I

would not find these acceptable due to his specific problems.

In this way, I think you have to evaluate the problems of the child, the

reason(s) things are not working and try to find an acceptable method of

fixing the problem. There are times when the usual punishment does not have

an effect of our kids. And if the problem is a result of lack of skills in

organization or similar, then punishment will probably do more harm and

nothing good. Without teaching the skills, the problem will never resolve,

if it can be resolved.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Do you have an IEP? Include it in you IEP that they can not take recess away. I

did and so far it has worked.

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: Subject: ( ) One

question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

*****I suppose I would try to figure out why he is forgetting his homework.

Did he forget to do it or to bring it to school? Forgetting to bring books

and papers home or forgetting turn those papers in at school can be a common

problem that needs solutions and not punishment. From experience on my end,

I know that there can be a host of problems just to do this " simple " task!

My older ds would even sit in class and not process that he was supposed to

be turning in his homework paper. The phrase, " Pass your homework to the

front " did not apply to him personally. Lol. We had to work on that one

differently than punishing him.

He also had a really horrible time with memory as well - both short and long

term scores were all terrible and at the bottom! So this also contributed

to problems he had with organizational skills. He had to have the help and

structure built in for him. Now he does better but it's still difficult for

him to remember. And worse, he won't use an agenda because he feels he can

remember on his own -which he can't!

My other one forgets homework because he is so done with school and doesn't

feel he should have to do more school when he gets home. In some ways, I

tend to agree because he's held himself together and he's really in need of

release when he gets home! It is really hard to get him to sit and do work

and I will only go so far with it. He does not mind if he has to stay in at

recess either. And at times the teacher lets him turn his work in one day

later for a grade lower instead of missing recess. I feel these are

acceptable natural consequences for him. But if it were my older ds, I

would not find these acceptable due to his specific problems.

In this way, I think you have to evaluate the problems of the child, the

reason(s) things are not working and try to find an acceptable method of

fixing the problem. There are times when the usual punishment does not have

an effect of our kids. And if the problem is a result of lack of skills in

organization or similar, then punishment will probably do more harm and

nothing good. Without teaching the skills, the problem will never resolve,

if it can be resolved.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Subject: RE: ( ) One question on losing recess

Hi Roxanna,

My son is more like your older son, They are working with his

organization in school by having an index card on his desk which he has to

check off things that he completed to help him stay on task. He forgets to

bring his library book to the library at school, even though its in his

backpack in his class. organization is very hard for him and they know this

because they are working on it with him. but, his teacher thinks that will

make him more responsible to remember his things by taking away his favorite

part of school (recess). they also know he has lots of energy to burn off

too. Roxanne, I sent him to school with " thank you cards " for the children

that came to his birthday party and when I picked him up from school at the

end of the day, My son still had the thank you cards. forgot the 2nd day

too. the 3rd day he lost them. He will do the same with money too. I'll

send him to school with money that he asked for to buy a book that he always

wanted and

forgot or lost the money, or forgot about the bookfair completely. This is

why I can't see how taking away recess will help him remember.

Then I agree - it won't help him remember anything. And also, has it worked

so far? I bet not! That would be further proof that her method isn't the

right one. Definitely have a meeting - be sure and detail all his problems

with organization in his Present levels of performance (PLOP). This can

help turn the problem from being a character flaw (he's lazy and so he must

be punished) into a manifestation of his disability (he has AS and he has a

really difficult time w/organizational skills!) Goals are written from the

PLOP and so goals should be written (or accommodations written) to address

all of these areas. If someone has to go through his book bag daily and

help him turn things in, then they do. My older ds had to have this done.

It was a long process of teaching him to notice what was happening in class

and that it meant he should be doing the same things as his peers (reading,

writing or turning things in.)

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

I lurk but haven't posted in a long time. I just wanted to put in my two cents

about the whole recess thing. My son is an arguer. He hates being told he is

doing anything wrong. He argues that he's right and the rules should be changed

to fit his needs. has had the same teacher for 2 years and she got tired of

" the lawyer syndrome " so when he would argue with her she would tell him I don't

have time for this now but if you want to argue with me we can do it at recess

time. This is hard on her too since that is her lunch break. After missing

recess a few times he stopped. Now it was physically hard on him not to have

that release at recess but it worked. She would send him on errands if he got

antsy in the afternoon so he could get out of class. It isn't always a bad thing

to take away a child's recess time!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll remember to mention (PLOP).

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: Subject: RE: ( ) One

question on losing recess

Hi Roxanna,

My son is more like your older son, They are working with his

organization in school by having an index card on his desk which he has to

check off things that he completed to help him stay on task. He forgets to

bring his library book to the library at school, even though its in his

backpack in his class. organization is very hard for him and they know this

because they are working on it with him. but, his teacher thinks that will

make him more responsible to remember his things by taking away his favorite

part of school (recess). they also know he has lots of energy to burn off

too. Roxanne, I sent him to school with " thank you cards " for the children

that came to his birthday party and when I picked him up from school at the

end of the day, My son still had the thank you cards. forgot the 2nd day

too. the 3rd day he lost them. He will do the same with money too. I'll

send him to school with money that he asked for to buy a book that he always

wanted and

forgot or lost the money, or forgot about the bookfair completely. This is

why I can't see how taking away recess will help him remember.

Then I agree - it won't help him remember anything. And also, has it worked

so far? I bet not! That would be further proof that her method isn't the

right one. Definitely have a meeting - be sure and detail all his problems

with organization in his Present levels of performance (PLOP). This can

help turn the problem from being a character flaw (he's lazy and so he must

be punished) into a manifestation of his disability (he has AS and he has a

really difficult time w/organizational skills!) Goals are written from the

PLOP and so goals should be written (or accommodations written) to address

all of these areas. If someone has to go through his book bag daily and

help him turn things in, then they do. My older ds had to have this done.

It was a long process of teaching him to notice what was happening in class

and that it meant he should be doing the same things as his peers (reading,

writing or turning things in.)

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In your situation that you just mentioned, I would agree. Your son has the

ability to do what he is told, but prefers to argue to get out of doing what

needs to get done. Taking away recess or a consequence would be appropriate.

but with my son, he can't remember. after buying him a new pair of snowboats

(his favorite kind, camouflage). He forgot them somewhere. I didn't know till

the next day when he needed them. we back tracked everywhere and they were

gone. with the school band he had to bring in an instrument that he wanted to

play so bad and forgot it each time. He has a card on his desk to check off all

the things he needs to complete each day to help him remember. If two people

are speaking and he has to wait to talk, he will forget what he has to say even

though I tell him to try to remember one thing to help you remember. So, to

take away his recess and punish him to remember to bring his homework to school,

I can't see how that would help him remember. But, with prompting, he will

remember. He also lost his favorite gameboy because he left it somewhere and

now its gone. This happens even with his favorite things. so its not

behavioral.

Stack <the3stacks@...> wrote:

I lurk but haven't posted in a long time. I just wanted to put in my two cents

about the whole recess thing. My son is an arguer. He hates being told he is

doing anything wrong. He argues that he's right and the rules should be changed

to fit his needs. has had the same teacher for 2 years and she got tired of

" the lawyer syndrome " so when he would argue with her she would tell him I don't

have time for this now but if you want to argue with me we can do it at recess

time. This is hard on her too since that is her lunch break. After missing

recess a few times he stopped. Now it was physically hard on him not to have

that release at recess but it worked. She would send him on errands if he got

antsy in the afternoon so he could get out of class. It isn't always a bad thing

to take away a child's recess time!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, we have a meeting soon. I will include this.

<reneemdallas4@...> wrote: Do you have an IEP? Include it in

you IEP that they can not take recess away. I did and so far it has worked.

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: Subject: ( ) One

question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a requirement?

*****I suppose I would try to figure out why he is forgetting his homework.

Did he forget to do it or to bring it to school? Forgetting to bring books

and papers home or forgetting turn those papers in at school can be a common

problem that needs solutions and not punishment. From experience on my end,

I know that there can be a host of problems just to do this " simple " task!

My older ds would even sit in class and not process that he was supposed to

be turning in his homework paper. The phrase, " Pass your homework to the

front " did not apply to him personally. Lol. We had to work on that one

differently than punishing him.

He also had a really horrible time with memory as well - both short and long

term scores were all terrible and at the bottom! So this also contributed

to problems he had with organizational skills. He had to have the help and

structure built in for him. Now he does better but it's still difficult for

him to remember. And worse, he won't use an agenda because he feels he can

remember on his own -which he can't!

My other one forgets homework because he is so done with school and doesn't

feel he should have to do more school when he gets home. In some ways, I

tend to agree because he's held himself together and he's really in need of

release when he gets home! It is really hard to get him to sit and do work

and I will only go so far with it. He does not mind if he has to stay in at

recess either. And at times the teacher lets him turn his work in one day

later for a grade lower instead of missing recess. I feel these are

acceptable natural consequences for him. But if it were my older ds, I

would not find these acceptable due to his specific problems.

In this way, I think you have to evaluate the problems of the child, the

reason(s) things are not working and try to find an acceptable method of

fixing the problem. There are times when the usual punishment does not have

an effect of our kids. And if the problem is a result of lack of skills in

organization or similar, then punishment will probably do more harm and

nothing good. Without teaching the skills, the problem will never resolve,

if it can be resolved.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Taking away recess or a consequence would be appropriate.

but with my son, he can't remember. after buying him a new pair of snowboats

(his favorite kind, camouflage). He forgot them somewhere. I didn't know till

the next day when he needed them. we back tracked everywhere and they were

gone. with the school band he had to bring in an instrument that he wanted to

play so bad and forgot it each time. He has a card on his desk to check off all

the things he needs to complete each day to help him remember.

We go through the same issues with Will. He is in first grade and he isn't

punished for forgetting things. It is impossible for him to follow 3 step

directions. That however isn't behavioral but medical so we use lots of post-its

and I email the teacher when he hasn't brought things home so she can help him

track things down.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

That's great you can communicate with the teacher. With my sons teacher, if

its about something my son can't do. she doesn't want to hear it!!! she gets

angry and yells. She is not the type of person to speak with parents. our last

conversation about an animal project he had to do, my son did more then the

teacher wanted and she started yelling at him. When I spoke to her about it,

she started yelling towards me and when she was finished venting she said I

don't want you to speak to me about your son without the guidance councilor

present. Outch

Stack <the3stacks@...> wrote:

Taking away recess or a consequence would be appropriate.

but with my son, he can't remember. after buying him a new pair of snowboats

(his favorite kind, camouflage). He forgot them somewhere. I didn't know till

the next day when he needed them. we back tracked everywhere and they were

gone. with the school band he had to bring in an instrument that he wanted to

play so bad and forgot it each time. He has a card on his desk to check off all

the things he needs to complete each day to help him remember.

We go through the same issues with Will. He is in first grade and he isn't

punished for forgetting things. It is impossible for him to follow 3 step

directions. That however isn't behavioral but medical so we use lots of post-its

and I email the teacher when he hasn't brought things home so she can help him

track things down.

[Guest guest]

You can have it put into the IEP that he will loose no more than a

certain amount of time (10 minutes) of his recess. This would be under

the socials skills part of the IEP. Since social skills is part of the

Asperger's disability, there should be a section for that on the IEP.

You'll have to fight for it thought.

>>> madideas@... 5/6/2006 9:05 AM >>>

Subject: ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a

requirement?

*****I suppose I would try to figure out why he is forgetting his

homework.

Did he forget to do it or to bring it to school? Forgetting to bring

books

and papers home or forgetting turn those papers in at school can be a

common

problem that needs solutions and not punishment. From experience on my

end,

I know that there can be a host of problems just to do this " simple "

task!

My older ds would even sit in class and not process that he was

supposed to

be turning in his homework paper. The phrase, " Pass your homework to

the

front " did not apply to him personally. Lol. We had to work on that

one

differently than punishing him.

He also had a really horrible time with memory as well - both short and

long

term scores were all terrible and at the bottom! So this also

contributed

to problems he had with organizational skills. He had to have the help

and

structure built in for him. Now he does better but it's still

difficult for

him to remember. And worse, he won't use an agenda because he feels he

can

remember on his own -which he can't!

My other one forgets homework because he is so done with school and

doesn't

feel he should have to do more school when he gets home. In some ways,

I

tend to agree because he's held himself together and he's really in

need of

release when he gets home! It is really hard to get him to sit and do

work

and I will only go so far with it. He does not mind if he has to stay

in at

recess either. And at times the teacher lets him turn his work in one

day

later for a grade lower instead of missing recess. I feel these are

acceptable natural consequences for him. But if it were my older ds,

I

would not find these acceptable due to his specific problems.

In this way, I think you have to evaluate the problems of the child,

the

reason(s) things are not working and try to find an acceptable method

of

fixing the problem. There are times when the usual punishment does not

have

an effect of our kids. And if the problem is a result of lack of

skills in

organization or similar, then punishment will probably do more harm

and

nothing good. Without teaching the skills, the problem will never

resolve,

if it can be resolved.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

She is not the type of person to speak with parents

is blessed to have a wonderful, caring teacher who understand what makes

him tick. I know that won't be the case forever. Because of this I have 2

important things written into his IEP. The first is teacher training in

September so that the staff has knowledge of Asperger's Syndrome. The second is

weekly communication with the teacher so that we can discuss the good and the

bad. Last year it was done by phone but this year we switched to email because

it was more convenient.

[Guest guest]

>

> She is not the type of person to speak with parents

>

> is blessed to have a wonderful, caring teacher who understand what makes

him

tick. I know that won't be the case forever. Because of this I have 2 important

things

written into his IEP. The first is teacher training in September so that the

staff has

knowledge of Asperger's Syndrome. The second is weekly communication with the

teacher

so that we can discuss the good and the bad. >>>>>

It is state law here in IN that the teacher (and all specials teachers) are

inserviced for the

disabilities possessed by their students, then specifically for each of their

student's

individual needs. I don't think their knowledge was adequate for what we

experienced this

year. I am going to request to preview the video/dvd and print material they

will be using.

Obviously, hindsight is 20/20, but I do NOT want them glossing over this year's

events

because we seem to have him stablized. In my mind, it could all happen again.

Due to our problems, the teacher and I have been emailing rapidly. At our case

conference last week, they put in the notes that I request a teacher for next

year that is

willing to communicate via email. When our problems started this year, they

would call.

But email is so much better for tracking. (Of course, they didn't know if would

get as bad

as it did, and neither did I.)

I was concerned that they weren't really keeping track of his triggers, so I

started asking

for an explanation for all instances of outbursts. That's a lot of typing, but

the comments

I got on the behavior sheet were merely " he yelled at the resource teacher. " I

was also

able to add to their explanations with what my son told me. Hopefully they took

that into

account.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

LOL, I have the same in his IEP. " teacher trained in Autism " and

communication with teacher. HA!!! teacher said, We communicate too much!!!

that needs to stop! as she is screaming this, she said she doesn't want to speak

to me onless the guidence counclur is present.. When writing in his

communication book she likes to use

" !!!!!!! " alot. I think she acts like this so she can do what she wants and the

parents don't want to bother with her. UGH. She wants to do what she wants

only... She also thinks/and is so proud that she feels she " cured " my son of

Autism. WOW. He doesn't have it this year. lol. Last year the teacher was

great and even tried to speak up for my son at the CSE meetings. (they hated

her). She was retiring so she said what she had to say. I hope next year he

has a better teacher again that can communicate with a parent. We have a CSE

meeting coming up soon. I bet his teacher will have a different face there.

Stack <the3stacks@...> wrote:

She is not the type of person to speak with parents

is blessed to have a wonderful, caring teacher who understand what makes

him tick. I know that won't be the case forever. Because of this I have 2

important things written into his IEP. The first is teacher training in

September so that the staff has knowledge of Asperger's Syndrome. The second is

weekly communication with the teacher so that we can discuss the good and the

bad. Last year it was done by phone but this year we switched to email because

it was more convenient.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

That is the exact wording I was looking for.... I just noted this down, it is

perfect. the first part " no more than a certain amount of time (10 minutes) is

great. but not the whole loss of recess for the social skills is part of the

aspergers disability. As far as fighting for this, I will, CSE is aware of

this. its the teacher that has her own rules. CSE explained that the part

between me and the teacher needs to be addressed with Administration and not

CSE.

Van Atta <svanatta@...> wrote:

You can have it put into the IEP that he will loose no more than a

certain amount of time (10 minutes) of his recess. This would be under

the socials skills part of the IEP. Since social skills is part of the

Asperger's disability, there should be a section for that on the IEP.

You'll have to fight for it thought.

>>> madideas@... 5/6/2006 9:05 AM >>>

Subject: ( ) One question on losing recess

Hello everyone,

I know we already spoke some on this topic. but I have a question.

My son forgot his homework home the other day, so the teacher kept him

in during recess time to complete it. (math) it took him his whole

recess time to complete it. the teacher said, its finished, now you

can go out to recess. well, by the time he got outside, it was line

up time to go back in. My question is. can a teacher keep a child in

for the whole recess time? We live in NY. isn't recess a

requirement?

*****I suppose I would try to figure out why he is forgetting his

homework.

Did he forget to do it or to bring it to school? Forgetting to bring

books

and papers home or forgetting turn those papers in at school can be a

common

problem that needs solutions and not punishment. From experience on my

end,

I know that there can be a host of problems just to do this " simple "

task!

My older ds would even sit in class and not process that he was

supposed to

be turning in his homework paper. The phrase, " Pass your homework to

the

front " did not apply to him personally. Lol. We had to work on that

one

differently than punishing him.

He also had a really horrible time with memory as well - both short and

long

term scores were all terrible and at the bottom! So this also

contributed

to problems he had with organizational skills. He had to have the help

and

structure built in for him. Now he does better but it's still

difficult for

him to remember. And worse, he won't use an agenda because he feels he

can

remember on his own -which he can't!

My other one forgets homework because he is so done with school and

doesn't

feel he should have to do more school when he gets home. In some ways,

I

tend to agree because he's held himself together and he's really in

need of

release when he gets home! It is really hard to get him to sit and do

work

and I will only go so far with it. He does not mind if he has to stay

in at

recess either. And at times the teacher lets him turn his work in one

day

later for a grade lower instead of missing recess. I feel these are

acceptable natural consequences for him. But if it were my older ds,

I

would not find these acceptable due to his specific problems.

In this way, I think you have to evaluate the problems of the child,

the

reason(s) things are not working and try to find an acceptable method

of

fixing the problem. There are times when the usual punishment does not

have

an effect of our kids. And if the problem is a result of lack of

skills in

organization or similar, then punishment will probably do more harm

and

nothing good. Without teaching the skills, the problem will never

resolve,

if it can be resolved.

Roxanna