Re: Re: Pragmatics testing

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From: Rose <beachbodytan2002@...>

Date: 2007/04/18 Wed PM 08:52:20 CDT

Subject: Re: ( ) Pragmatics testing

I know the TOPL is good and of course, that is the one test that wasn't given to

my daughter. She was given the TOPS which did reveal some weaknesses, but

overall her S & L testing was average and above. I am going to have her retested

myself by speech paths who specialize in testing kids on the spectrum and kids

with non-verbal learning.

other concerns on that topic of Pragmatics are:  does your child initiate

conversation?, does your child talk about different topics or just ones of

his/her own interest?  can your child answer a question with a complete sentence

or just a yes/no answer.  Is you child very literal?  does he/she understand a

sentence/instructions without taking each word 'by itself' literal.  which can

change the meaning of the sentence. my son can use a sentence appropriately. 

but when I ask him what does that mean?  His definition is totally different. 

another example, he said to my daughter - your being stupid.  I asked him what

does stupid mean.  he thought it meant annoying.  A development specialist in

autism did another eval on my son and said his pragmatics are getting better. 

but before her, his speech pathologist was working/testing him with his

pragmatics.  I hope this was a little help.  I don't know of any speech

testing that just focuses just on Pragmatics.  they usually do a complete speech

testing including pragmatics.  But I would bet its out there.  Have you checked

with auditorial processing testing?  " C.A.P.T "

frommerdiane <frommerdiane@...> wrote: Does anyone out there know of

a good, or any for that matter, Speech

test that focuses on just Pragmatics for the school and/or parents to

fill out. Talking is one thing, but having a conversation is another.

Thanks

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Hope this helps! Pam

Pragmatics involves three major communication skills:

Using language for different purposes -- such as greeting, informing, demanding, promising, and requesting; Adapting or changing language according to the needs or expectations of a listener or situation -- such as talking differently to a baby than to an adult, giving enough background information to an unfamiliar listener, talking differently in a classroom than on a playground. Following rules for conversations and narrative (e.g., telling stories, giving book reports, recounting events of the day); there are rules for taking turns in conversation, introducing topics of conversation, staying on the topic, rephrasing when misunderstood, and telling a story. There are also rules for appropriate use of nonverbal signals in conversation: distance between speaker and listener, facial expressions, and eye contact. Rules may vary depending on language and culture. See what's free at AOL.com.

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Are our children eligible for speech therapy for this?

- C.A.E.P.Mom to Cassie 16 PCOS, Austin 14 ADHD and a 3.5 HFA/AS & SPD/SID

Re: ( ) Re: Pragmatics testing

Hope this helps! Pam

Pragmatics involves three major communication skills:

Using language for different purposes -- such as greeting, informing, demanding, promising, and requesting; Adapting or changing language according to the needs or expectations of a listener or situation -- such as talking differently to a baby than to an adult, giving enough background information to an unfamiliar listener, talking differently in a classroom than on a playground. Following rules for conversations and narrative (e.g., telling stories, giving book reports, recounting events of the day); there are rules for taking turns in conversation, introducing topics of conversation, staying on the topic, rephrasing when misunderstood, and telling a story. There are also rules for appropriate use of nonverbal signals in conversation: distance between speaker and listener, facial expressions, and eye contact. Rules may vary depending on language and culture.

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if it is an area of need it should be addressed through speech therapy. Pam :)See what's free at AOL.com.

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This might give you some ideas. Pam

ASHA: Pragmatic Language TipsSee what's free at AOL.com.

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about the pragmatics, you wrote: 'You have to prove, that the lack of conversational skills is hurting his education'. you also wrote: Not easy, since there isn't really a good test for it. Schools are using that alot *not hurting his education*. But it is! If a child is very literal and takes each *word* in the sentence literally. that can change the meaning of the sentence. this does effects his education. examples, while the teacher is giving instructions/direction. If he doesn't understand what is said, he's not going to follow it correctly. it then looks like he choose not to do the assignment. or looks like he's "not listening" when he is!!! while taking test. if he doesn't understand the question, because he understands it different from what is said. He

will get the answer wrong. So, it does affect his education. frommerdiane <frommerdiane@...> wrote: >> Are our children eligible for speech therapy for this? > - C.> A.E.P.> Mom to Cassie 16 PCOS, Austin 14 ADHD and a 3.5 HFA/AS & SPD/SID> Good

luck. You have to prove that the lack of conversational skills is hurting his edaucation. Not easy since there really isn't (from what it sounds)a good test for it. What is the age of your child?> Re: ( ) Re: Pragmatics testing> > > > Hope this helps! Pam > > > > Pragmatics involves three major communication skills:> > a.. Using language for different purposes -- such as greeting, informing, demanding, promising, and requesting; > b.. Adapting or changing language according to the needs or expectations of a listener or situation -- such as talking differently to a baby than to an adult, giving enough background

information to an unfamiliar listener, talking differently in a classroom than on a playground. > c.. Following rules for conversations and narrative (e.g., telling stories, giving book reports, recounting events of the day); there are rules for taking turns in conversation, introducing topics of conversation, staying on the topic, rephrasing when misunderstood, and telling a story. There are also rules for appropriate use of nonverbal signals in conversation: distance between speaker and listener, facial expressions, and eye contact. Rules may vary depending on language and culture. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> See what's free at AOL.com.>

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I also want to add more to the post below: If it appears to the school that your child's pragmatics doesn't interfere with his education because he compensated. (and wasn't taught now) it will catch up later on!!! And that's when your child will have significant delays. Also, some of our children don't ask for help. (because they can't) they don't know how. Just like Roxanna pointed out. give a child a piece of paper and ask him to write his name. (would he ask for a pencil)???? Rose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: about the pragmatics, you wrote: 'You have to prove, that the lack of conversational skills is hurting his education'. you also wrote: Not easy, since there isn't really a good test for it. Schools are using that alot *not hurting his education*. But it is! If a child is very literal and takes each *word* in the sentence literally. that can change the meaning of the sentence. this does effects his education. examples, while the teacher is giving instructions/direction. If he doesn't understand what is said, he's not going to follow it correctly. it then looks like he choose not to do the assignment. or looks like he's "not listening" when he is!!! while taking test. if he doesn't

understand the question, because he understands it different from what is said. He will get the answer wrong. So, it does affect his education. frommerdiane <frommerdiane > wrote: >> Are our children eligible for speech therapy for this? > - C.> A.E.P.> Mom to Cassie 16 PCOS, Austin 14 ADHD and a 3.5 HFA/AS & SPD/SID> Good luck. You have to prove that the lack of conversational skills is hurting his edaucation. Not easy since there really isn't (from what it sounds)a good test for it. What is the age of your child?> -----

Original Message ----- > From: ppanda65@... > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:23 PM> Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Pragmatics testing> > > > Hope this helps! Pam > > > > Pragmatics involves three major communication skills:> > a.. Using language for different purposes -- such as greeting, informing, demanding, promising, and requesting; > b.. Adapting or changing language according to the needs or expectations of a listener or situation -- such as talking differently to a baby than to an adult, giving enough background information to an unfamiliar listener, talking differently in a classroom than on a playground. > c.. Following rules for conversations and narrative (e.g., telling stories, giving book reports, recounting

events of the day); there are rules for taking turns in conversation, introducing topics of conversation, staying on the topic, rephrasing when misunderstood, and telling a story. There are also rules for appropriate use of nonverbal signals in conversation: distance between speaker and listener, facial expressions, and eye contact. Rules may vary depending on language and culture. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> See what's free at AOL.com.> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos.

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Also please refer to the purpose of the IDEA, which is not just to help disabled kids get an education but also enable them to go on to the next step in life, whatever that may be for them. So if that is independent living, a job, college, career center, etc. Whatever they need to learn for that future is relevant to their education. I don't really see much that is not relevant in that regard - everything from tying shoes to being able to hold a conversation is relevant.

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Re: ( ) Re: Pragmatics testing> > > > Hope this helps! Pam > > > > Pragmatics involves three major communication skills:> > a.. Using language for different purposes -- such as greeting, informing, demanding, promising, and requesting; > b.. Adapting or changing language according to the needs or expectations of a listener or situation -- such as talking differently to a baby than to an adult, giving enough background information to an unfamiliar listener, talking differently in a classroom than on a playground. > c.. Following rules for conversations and narrative (e.g., telling stories, giving book reports, recounting events of the day); there are rules for taking turns in conversation, introducing topics of conversation, staying on the topic, rephrasing when misunderstood, and telling a story. There are also rules for appropriate use of nonverbal signals in conversation: distance between speaker and listener, facial expressions, and eye contact. Rules may vary depending on language and culture. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> See what's free at AOL.com.>

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