Re: teacher training

[Guest guest]

I can't speak for all states but here in PA there is nothing specific in Special

ed laws for training of a regular ed teacher. But here we all, no matter what we

teach, must have 180 hours or 6 grad credits or a combination of both every 6

years of professional development activities. Now these activities are very

broad in scope. I may be mistaking in this but I don't know if you can put in an

IEP about a reg ed teacher must have autism training. I would ask about

strategies being used with him and maybe that would be enough. In fact I would

want to put more of those types of things in an IEP instead of what the teacher

must have because I have seen cases where the reg ed teacher has a better grasp

than the special ed teacher who supposedly studied the condition of how to

handle a kid because of the strategies used in the classroom.

( ) teacher training

My son just started 5th grade with his usual 1 on 1 aides in a mainstreat

class. The special education director last year proudly announced that there

would be a 4 hour training session on autism the day prior to school starting

this year for the teachers and school staff. Last year didn't start off well,

partly because of this. Problem is, my son's teacher did not attend this! Any

recommendations on how to politically correctly handle this one? Does anyone

know if there is some special ed law floating around that addresses teacher

training? I don't think it was strictly written into his IEP last time but it

surely will be with the next IEP revision. Any thoughts out there on how to

handle this without causing negative repercussion with the new teacher. So far

so good this year so I don't want to rock the boat with the new teacher

already....... Have school meeting today with " the team " and wondering what to

say to everyone.....

[Guest guest]

Are we living parallel lives?

Write the principal & special ed person and ask when the teacher

will be inserviced. Make it about how much you care about getting

off to a good start and how much you want to make it easier for the

teacher and your child by having all this information. I wrote that

same letter a few weeks ago.

Jackie

> ( ) teacher training

>

>

> My son just started 5th grade with his usual 1 on 1 aides in a

> mainstreat class. The special education director last year proudly

> announced that there would be a 4 hour training session on autism

> the day prior to school starting this year for the teachers and

> school staff. Last year didn't start off well, partly because of

> this. Problem is, my son's teacher did not attend this! Any

> recommendations on how to politically correctly handle this one?

[Guest guest]

Did the 1:1 aides attend? My son hasn't had an aide, but I think

that I would be more concerned that the aide had the training.

He/she will be the one working closely with your son. Also, just my

thoughts again, I would just cover his needs in the IEP meeting,

discuss them and have the appropriate goals/accommodations/

modifications placed in the IEP. I say this as you said things are

going well so far. If that changes, then I would address that I

think problems are coming up because the teacher doesn't " understand "

about autism, could she receive some of the training missed or have

someone who did receive it work with her on addressing the problem

areas....

>

> My son just started 5th grade with his usual 1 on 1 aides in a

mainstreat class. The special education director last year proudly

announced that there would be a 4 hour training session on autism the

day prior to school starting this year for the teachers and school

staff. Last year didn't start off well, partly because of this.

Problem is, my son's teacher did not attend this! Any

recommendations on how to politically correctly handle this one?

Does anyone know if there is some special ed law floating around that

addresses teacher training? I don't think it was strictly written

into his IEP last time but it surely will be with the next IEP

revision. Any thoughts out there on how to handle this without

causing negative repercussion with the new teacher. So far so good

this year so I don't want to rock the boat with the new teacher

already....... Have school meeting today with " the team " and

wondering what to say to everyone.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

But a para works under the direction of the classroom teacher.

So the teacher has to have the information. Same goes for

specials teachers (PE, art, music, whatever your school offers.)

Jackie

On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:29 PM, wrote:

> Did the 1:1 aides attend? My son hasn't had an aide, but I think

> that I would be more concerned that the aide had the training.

> He/she will be the one working closely with your son.

[Guest guest]

But a para works under the direction of the classroom teacher.

Oh, okay! well, I know that here in our county, the aides/workers

always had to be inserviced about the students they were working

with. It used to be (key word " used " ) that kids could get certain

services through the mental health center, including an aide. The

school would hire the aide to do the work, but the service was billed

through mental health. And the case managers would make sure the aide

was inserviced before they ever got to work with the student; else,

the school didn't get paid, though they'd still have to pay the aide.

Anyway - I knew the aide had to be knowledgeable but the teachers

(here) seem to rely on the aides to work directly with the student and

their needs, i.e., the aide was the trained one, though of course the

teacher has to understand the needs too. But the aide was the one who

would write up the documentation needed each day, not the teacher.

Sorry, rambling, but just recalling how it was here before the state

stopped the services.

[Guest guest]

Train 'em all, and good! LOL

I had to write a letter to the principal today that concluded:

" Although ph says some unusual things at times, the verbalization

of a desire to kill himself should be reported to us promptly. "

Because waiting until the next day to tell me is really not being

responsible.

He's fine, but it's the principle of the thing.

Jackie

On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:57 PM, wrote:

> But a para works under the direction of the classroom teacher.

>

>

> Oh, okay! well, I know that here in our county, the aides/workers

> always had to be inserviced about the students they were working

> with.

[Guest guest]

But a para works under the direction of the classroom

teacher.

> >

> >

> > Oh, okay! well, I know that here in our county, the

aides/workers

> > always had to be inserviced about the students they were working

> > with.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Again, I am new here to the board and I was just reading some of the

> posts. Jackie, does your son say he wants to kill himself often?

No, and he's not depressed. He said he doesn't really know

why he said it. But wouldn't you think the school would feel

responsible to report it? I trained LOL his old teacher to

email me each day something went wonky, and I would

almost always have the info by the time ph got off the bus.

This is why I referring to it all summer as " waiting to find

out what teacher I got. "

Jackie

ph (10, Asperger's/ADHD)

(12, PDD-NOS/ADHD)

[Guest guest]

My kids have never said anything about suicide, but I hope your

doctors that are helping him and working with him.

Personally, if a child is saying this, I feel he or she is

struggling greatly and should have someone that is helping him

understand why he is feeling so frustrated. IT doesn't mean they

would go through with such ideations, but the fact that they feel so

frustrated is enough for me to want to help them out.

What did they do at that training? What did you not like about it?

What would have made it better? Just curious because I am going to

do a training, and I want to make sure I do things that really help

parents out (by the information I provide the teachers!)

I will have some 'life' experiance to talk about too, and clear

examples!

Thanks,

b

<snip>

> posts. Jackie, does your son say he wants to kill himself often?

My

> 7 year old AS son will at times also, he will say things like " I

am

> just a stupid kid, maybe I should just kill myself " He will grab

his

> throat like he is going to choke himself.I have talked to his

doctors

> about this and keep close eye. Is this common in AS children?

>

> Also, to get back on the topic of teacher training. My school had

> about an hour long " Autism Sensitivity Training " with all his

> teachers the day before school started. I attended, but I was

very

> disapointed in the training given. I am having all sorts of

problems

> with him in school already. I requested another IEP scheduled this

> coming Friday. I am soooo frustrated with the school system I

could

> ust scream! I even had to file a formal complaint with my state

> because I could not get them to give him the Autism Assesment that

> was requried in his last IEP. He was diagnosed 2 months after I

> finally got the assesment from the school.

>

> Best Wishes to all,

>

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> My kids have never said anything about suicide, but I hope your

> doctors that are helping him and working with him.

> Personally, if a child is saying this, I feel he or she is

> struggling greatly and should have someone that is helping him

> understand why he is feeling so frustrated. IT doesn't mean they

> would go through with such ideations, but the fact that they feel

so

> frustrated is enough for me to want to help them out.

> What did they do at that training? What did you not like about it?

> What would have made it better? Just curious because I am going to

> do a training, and I want to make sure I do things that really help

> parents out (by the information I provide the teachers!)

> I will have some 'life' experiance to talk about too, and clear

> examples!

>

> Thanks,

> b

>

> <snip>

> > posts. Jackie, does your son say he wants to kill himself often?

> My

> > 7 year old AS son will at times also, he will say things like " I

> am

> > just a stupid kid, maybe I should just kill myself " He will grab

> his

> > throat like he is going to choke himself.I have talked to his

> doctors

> > about this and keep close eye. Is this common in AS children?

> >

> > Also, to get back on the topic of teacher training. My school

had

> > about an hour long " Autism Sensitivity Training " with all his

> > teachers the day before school started. I attended, but I was

> very

> > disapointed in the training given. I am having all sorts of

> problems

> > with him in school already. I requested another IEP scheduled

this

> > coming Friday. I am soooo frustrated with the school system I

> could

> > ust scream! I even had to file a formal complaint with my state

> > because I could not get them to give him the Autism Assesment

that

> > was requried in his last IEP. He was diagnosed 2 months after I

> > finally got the assesment from the school.

> >

> > Best Wishes to all,

> >

> > >

> I have noticed that when he has said these things that it was in

response to something I may have corrected him on..ie..left the water

running in the bathroom. I don't see him as " depressed " or " suicidal "

I think it is more less something he knows was incorrect and just

forgot. Maybe more of an attention grabber,manlipulative of course I

was mortified when he first said that.

I thought the training was to general and not specific to handle my

son. A bit to " touchy feely " talk. I did not see any of the teachers

really asking to many questions of the Autism Specialist who

conducted the training.

I was furious last week when the teacher could not handle a small

meltdown. She sent him to a Special Education classroom for the entire

day. I can understand removing him from the classroom until he calms

down. But to remove him for the entire day was wrong. I just don't

think she got enough training to handle the situtation.

His doctor is not happy that he is in the Regular education class. He

understands that he is probably to high functioning to be placed in a

Autism class, however he firmly believes that my son needs an aide. I

questioned the school's Autism director and I was told that they

don't like to do that because the children get to attached and it is

hard for them to remove the aide.

Now, this is my struggle with the school. I can understand his

frustration, to many directions to much stimuli at him...he calls

it " noise " and it makes him freak. they have tried this past week

using picture ques for him. I don't see a change in his frustration.

He is smart, but can not emotionally cope with this classroom,

therein lies the problem. It is been observed by the specialist that

he does not feel apart of the classroom and has seperated

himself...he is not one of the students in his mind.

Sorry, I got rambling there..any suggestions from anyone would truley

be appreciated.

j

Best Wishes to all,

[Guest guest]

I really do understand what you are saying about your son.

Fortunately kids can have parents like us....

I think perhaps I should make a list of 'questions' the teachers

should be asking in case I don't get a lot of questions asked.

sending your son out of class for the day,,, not a good move.

I used to be sent out to a corner of the hall in the third grade.

I hated that teacher. LOL

====

> day. I can understand removing him from the classroom until he

calms

> down. But to remove him for the entire day was wrong. I just don't

> think she got enough training to handle the situtation.

>

> His doctor is not happy that he is in the Regular education class.

He

> understands that he is probably to high functioning to be placed

in a

> Autism class, however he firmly believes that my son needs an

aide. I

> questioned the school's Autism director and I was told that they

> don't like to do that because the children get to attached and it

is

> hard for them to remove the aide.

> Now, this is my struggle with the school. I can understand his

> frustration, to many directions to much stimuli at him...he calls

> it " noise " and it makes him freak. they have tried this past week

> using picture ques for him. I don't see a change in his

frustration.

> He is smart, but can not emotionally cope with this classroom,

> therein lies the problem. It is been observed by the specialist

that

> he does not feel apart of the classroom and has seperated

> himself...he is not one of the students in his mind.

>

> Sorry, I got rambling there..any suggestions from anyone would

truley

> be appreciated.

> j

> Best Wishes to all,

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I thought the school had to obey doctor's orders, and get your son

an aide. You shouldn't have to go along with the autism

director's " opinion " about whether a child should have an aide or

not. It's not her call. If it were me, I'd fight for the aide.

Mickey

w/ daughter, 13, AS, APD

> ====

>

> > day. I can understand removing him from the classroom until he

> calms

> > down. But to remove him for the entire day was wrong. I just

don't

> > think she got enough training to handle the situtation.

> >

> > His doctor is not happy that he is in the Regular education

class.

> He

> > understands that he is probably to high functioning to be placed

> in a

> > Autism class, however he firmly believes that my son needs an

> aide. I

> > questioned the school's Autism director and I was told that they

> > don't like to do that because the children get to attached and

it

> is

> > hard for them to remove the aide.

> > Now, this is my struggle with the school.

[Guest guest]

Roxanna

( ) Re: teacher training

>

> My kids have never said anything about suicide, but I hope your

> doctors that are helping him and working with him.

> Personally, if a child is saying this, I feel he or she is

> struggling greatly and should have someone that is helping him

> understand why he is feeling so frustrated. IT doesn't mean they

> would go through with such ideations, but the fact that they feel

so

> frustrated is enough for me to want to help them out.

> What did they do at that training? What did you not like about it?

> What would have made it better? Just curious because I am going to

> do a training, and I want to make sure I do things that really help

> parents out (by the information I provide the teachers!)

> I will have some 'life' experiance to talk about too, and clear

> examples!

>

> Thanks,

> b

>

> <snip>

> > posts. Jackie, does your son say he wants to kill himself often?

> My

> > 7 year old AS son will at times also, he will say things like " I

> am

> > just a stupid kid, maybe I should just kill myself " He will grab

> his

> > throat like he is going to choke himself.I have talked to his

> doctors

> > about this and keep close eye. Is this common in AS children?

> >

> > Also, to get back on the topic of teacher training. My school

had

> > about an hour long " Autism Sensitivity Training " with all his

> > teachers the day before school started. I attended, but I was

> very

> > disapointed in the training given. I am having all sorts of

> problems

> > with him in school already. I requested another IEP scheduled

this

> > coming Friday. I am soooo frustrated with the school system I

> could

> > ust scream! I even had to file a formal complaint with my state

> > because I could not get them to give him the Autism Assesment

that

> > was requried in his last IEP. He was diagnosed 2 months after I

> > finally got the assesment from the school.

> >

> > Best Wishes to all,

> >

> > >

> I have noticed that when he has said these things that it was in

response to something I may have corrected him on..ie..left the water

running in the bathroom. I don't see him as " depressed " or " suicidal "

I think it is more less something he knows was incorrect and just

forgot. Maybe more of an attention grabber,manlipulative of course I

was mortified when he first said that.

I thought the training was to general and not specific to handle my

son. A bit to " touchy feely " talk. I did not see any of the teachers

really asking to many questions of the Autism Specialist who

conducted the training.

I was furious last week when the teacher could not handle a small

meltdown. She sent him to a Special Education classroom for the entire

day. I can understand removing him from the classroom until he calms

down. But to remove him for the entire day was wrong. I just don't

think she got enough training to handle the situtation.

**** Obviously she doesn't. You need to get a behavior plan so that when some

behavior happens, there is consistency in how it is handled. ****

His doctor is not happy that he is in the Regular education class. He

understands that he is probably to high functioning to be placed in a

Autism class, however he firmly believes that my son needs an aide.

**** KIds can be in regular education and have an aide as well. *****

I

questioned the school's Autism director and I was told that they

don't like to do that because the children get to attached and it is

hard for them to remove the aide.

****Ask for the school's policy in writing. This kind of " excuse " is bogus

and something they say to get rid of you. ly, if there is a problem

removing the aide at a later time, then the aide wasn't trained properly. So

not only request an aide but make sure she is trained. ****

Now, this is my struggle with the school. I can understand his

frustration, to many directions to much stimuli at him...he calls

it " noise " and it makes him freak. they have tried this past week

using picture ques for him. I don't see a change in his frustration.

He is smart, but can not emotionally cope with this classroom,

therein lies the problem. It is been observed by the specialist that

he does not feel apart of the classroom and has seperated

himself...he is not one of the students in his mind.

Sorry, I got rambling there..any suggestions from anyone would truley

be appreciated.

j

Best Wishes to all,