Re: suspended

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In a message dated 9/27/00 3:34:33 PM Central Daylight Time,

gboughton@... writes:

<<

forget about any help for my observation. Ted was conveniently

suspended tomorrow for lifting up a student and dropping her

down. The student is okay. I am the only one hurting from this.

Gail

>>

Oh Gail,

so whens the emergency meeting............

Sounds kinda conveinent for them.

I really think that you'll have to do the random observation. I am

uncomforatable with the idea that they know if I'm coming and all that. And

jsut so you all know I also don't like the fact that they do it that way with

all the children. hehe

Joy

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Gail, I agree with Jackie. I wish I could be there to help you too. I

never heard of suspending a 9 year old. I think it is suspicious too.Jessie

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Hi Gail,

I'm so sorry that you are going through all this , hang in there and if you

want to chat on ICQ let me know and I will try to be there, I'll be with you

in spirit and praying things get sorted out soon...

Hope to hear from you soon

Trish (mum to Danny (13) nds and

Jodie (10) ds

Suspended

Trish (mum to Danny (13) nds and

Jodie (10) ds

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Gail....I gather from another post that Ted is only 9. I definatly think

something funny is going on. Do they think behaviors go away with punishment

and suspension only? Every behavior that has thought up and seemed like

it needed to be changed was only changed with a plan and some sort of team

effort to change it. Can you go in pronto and talk to those involved. I think

an advocate to go with you is needed. I would not do it alone if I could help

it. It seems to me this class has a discipline system in place that is overly

restrictive and punitive. I am referring to the holds and suspension. My son

is 8 and sometimes hugs his cousins in the type of bear hug that lifts

them off their feet and if he is told to stop he will just drop them, so I

always make sure to tell him to stop but am right there to make sure it is

not dangerous. We are teaching him to be gentle but he forgets. He is a

touchy, feely child also. I feel as though this class has no system of good

behavior modification or teaching good behaviors. That they expected your son

to be at a certain level and are holding him and you responsible for him

knowing things they should be teaching at the time incidents happen. I know I

do not have the whole story but I am so angry for you. My son has done a

number of the things yours has done and never treated like yours has. Pam

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In a message dated 9/27/00 3:34:08 PM Central Daylight Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> Hi Group,

>

> forget about any help for my observation. Ted was conveniently

> suspended tomorrow for lifting up a student and dropping her

> down. The student is okay. I am the only one hurting from this.

> Gail

HI Gail

Just getting to mail so this might be already addressed.......Has Ted had a

FBA done yet? I was told they cannot suspend a student unless one has been

done. I'm not real clear on all of this but I need to be lol Sara might be

next She tried to trip an office worker yesterday. She told me it was a

joke but she was in hot water after that.

I have.... I guess an IEP meeting on the 9th to go over the FBA and write a

behavior plan. Ive been busy getting my ducks in a row in case they try to

change her placement to a more restrictive placement, I can imagine now

they'd like to stick her in a padded room lololol.

Kathy mom to Sara 8 ...........made a pile of coupons/tickets yesterday for

motivation for Sara.......I see this lacking at the school, motivation ideas

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In a message dated 09/28/2000 9:44:59 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

<< Ive been busy getting my ducks in a row in case they try to

change her placement to a more restrictive placement, >>

Can they change her placement just like that? I thought that they had to

have documentation that they had tried many different types of programs

before they changed placement?

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In a message dated 9/28/00 12:12:09 PM Central Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> << Ive been busy getting my ducks in a row in case they try to

> change her placement to a more restrictive placement, >>

> Can they change her placement just like that? I thought that they had to

> have documentation that they had tried many different types of programs

> before they changed placement?

>

>

HI

Heehee this is where I'm unclear, if Sara's behavior is impeding her

education or " others " then yes they can BUT I believe they have to try a few

behavior plans first. This is not to say they won't try to give her the boot

uggggggggg It will depend upon me fighting this issue. Id love to say that I

trust them and that their only concern is Sara but Ive been lied to before

sooooooo NO trust.

I know I will blow them away if I keep asking the right questions. They do

get a wee bit confused when I do this Heehee

Kathy mom to Sara 8

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In a message dated 09/28/2000 10:24:01 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

B4alltoday writes:

<< It will depend upon me fighting this issue. >>

Uggh! It's a way of life!!!!

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Gail,

This stinks. The school has a legal obligation to address problem behaviors

and to teach appropriate ones, not just punish--which is pretty much the

only response you seem to be seeing. You have your work cut out for you in

getting an appropriate behavior plan worked out for the teachers and admin

at that school!

Judi

Suspended

Hi Group,

forget about any help for my observation. Ted was conveniently

suspended tomorrow for lifting up a student and dropping her

down. The student is okay. I am the only one hurting from this.

Gail

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In a message dated 2/17/2006 2:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jackie@... writes:

For three days due to escalating behavior. He's not only yelling

> now, he's pushing teachers out of the way and won't remove himself

> to the calm down zone. Help! I called the psychiatrist,. He

> just started zoloft 2 weeks ago.

>

> Jackie (ph, AS/ADHD 9 yo)

It would really depend upon what is causing him to explode like that. Most

kids leave off many markers prior to a behavior. These folks need to study

him by doing an FBA to find out what his triggers are, what behaviors show he is

going to explode, what are preventative measures that teachers could take

prior to the meltdown to prevent it from happening altogether. Also, what are

they doing to teach him pro-social behaviors during times he is not having

problems? He needs to learn, " When I get upset/angry/mad/frustrated...I can

do...to make myself feel better... "

So what I would suggest is that he is pushing teachers because they are

waiting way too long to send him to his calm down zone. If they wait until he

is

exploding, it's too late. I would request a FUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENT

be done by someone competent in autsim behaviors so that they can get a

handle on the situation and teach him better ways to cope with whatever is

causing

him such stress.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

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We just went through this last week- though ours was an in school suspension

because his principal doesn't believe in out of school suspensions. All I can

say is I feel your pain!

---- Jackie Geipel <jackie@...> wrote:

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Jackie,

My 7 year old was put an initial dose of Zoloft (25mg), then they went a little

higher (37 ½) mg. The higher dose caused him to have no anxiety at all, which

seems good, but means he was extremely bold, cocky and didn't care about

consequences. He was more non-compliant and disruptive in class too. The psych

said if you go to high, that can happen, so she brought it back down to find the

right dosage.

- Kim

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On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Kim Mans wrote:

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>

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> My 7 year old was put an initial dose of Zoloft (25mg), then they

> went a little higher (37 ½) mg. The higher dose caused him to have

> no anxiety at all, which seems good, but means he was extremely

> bold, cocky and didn't care about consequences. He was more non-

> compliant and disruptive in class too. The psych said if you go to

> high, that can happen, so she brought it back down to find the

> right dosage.

ph started at 25 mg on 2/6. Although the psych said to bump him

up after a week, I was waiting until this three day weekend to watch

for side effects. So he was only on that 25 mg. still.

Last week was better in school, he got to move his desk back to the

group on Monday or Tuesday. Then it started hitting the fan again

on Tuesday. He said that's when he started feeling bad.

Jackie

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Kim Mans Wrote:

The higher dose caused him to have no anxiety at all, which seems good, but

means he was extremely bold, cocky and didn't care about consequences. He was

more non-compliant and disruptive in class too. The psych said if you go to

high, that can happen, so she brought it back down to find the right dosage.

Jackie- I totally forgot about this. It's called disinhibition. It's why my

son hasn't tried an SSI yet because his psychiatrist is worried that will

happen.--

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> Jackie- I totally forgot about this. It's called disinhibition.

It's why my son hasn't tried an SSI yet because his psychiatrist is

worried that will happen.--

Oh, that is not what I really see. I think it's more unable to hold

back his emotions. It's really a complicated thing, isn't it?

Jackie

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>

>

> In a message dated 2/17/2006 2:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> jackie@... writes:

>

>

>

> It would really depend upon what is causing him to explode like

that. Most

> kids leave off many markers prior to a behavior. These folks need

to study

> him by doing an FBA to find out what his triggers are, what

behaviors show he is

> going to explode, what are preventative measures that teachers

could take

> prior to the meltdown to prevent it from happening altogether.

Also, what are

> they doing to teach him pro-social behaviors during times he is not

having

> problems?

He has three sessions in speech currently, all mainly social in

nature. One is a social skills group with another AS 4th grade boy

and a fifth grade boy with unknown issues. (They don't tell me that,

but ds is aware enough to spill it. LOL) The SLP today said he's

doing well in there. In the non-group, it's just him and another girl

from his class who apparently he really enjoys. I don't think it's as

much a kid issue, as a self-inflicted anxiety and adult issue.

I am wondering how he chose the adults he wanted and definitely didn't

want to give a V Day card to. It just seems to me he was going for

the flight of fight or flight.

When I observed him in class a few weeks ago, he pretty much snapped

as far as aggressive behavior. BUT, I could tell he wasn't paying

attention to what was going on. He had come in late after his blood

tests. He had met the class in PE. Had someone been there to get him

started on his spelling work, maybe there wouldn't have been a reason

for him to get angry when he did.

He was complaining that his backpack was pretty heavy when we came

out. Well, ya, they sent home pretty much his entire desk. Coulda

warned me. There really isn't that much work, though. I am wondering

if that is three days worth or just for Tuesday.

The other day (yesterday) they had a math test first thing.

Fractions. He is a total math whiz. The first four problems were

" write 2 equivalent fractions " but he wrote 5 to 9 for each. So he

didn't have time to finish the whole quiz, and got 9/20. Have no idea

what happened there but it couldn't have added happiness to his day.

Jackie

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Yup.. Sounds like a medicine adjustment issue.. Been there done that.. Just

needs some tweeking.. And some calm deep breaths on your end too Hon.. HUGS!

-- RE: ( ) suspended

Jackie,

My 7 year old was put an initial dose of Zoloft (25mg), then they went a

little higher (37 ½) mg. The higher dose caused him to have no anxiety at

all, which seems good, but means he was extremely bold, cocky and didn't

care about consequences. He was more non-compliant and disruptive in class

too. The psych said if you go to high, that can happen, so she brought it

back down to find the right dosage.

- Kim

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Jackie Geipel <jackie@...> wrote: >

>

> For three days due to escalating behavior. He's not only yelling

> now, he's pushing teachers out of the way and won't remove himself

> to the calm down zone. Help! I called the psychiatrist,. He

> just started zoloft 2 weeks ago.

>

> Jackie (ph, AS/ADHD 9 yo)

>

>

HI, has your son been tested for alagraphica or hyperlexia as this may be why he

cant comprehend whats asked and will cause anger and frustration as he himself

doesnt know why he can do the work.

Chrissy

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Maybe Zoloft is not the answer. Just a thought, this is a long

journey many paths to take. Hope you find whats right for your child. What

works for one AS child does not mean it well work for another, everyone is

diffrent. Just my 2cents.

Bob in north Calif.

Kim Mans <kmans@...> wrote:

Jackie,

My 7 year old was put an initial dose of Zoloft (25mg), then they went a little

higher (37 ½) mg. The higher dose caused him to have no anxiety at all, which

seems good, but means he was extremely bold, cocky and didn't care about

consequences. He was more non-compliant and disruptive in class too. The psych

said if you go to high, that can happen, so she brought it back down to find the

right dosage.

- Kim

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AMEN!! You said it.

-- RE: ( ) suspended

Maybe Zoloft is not the answer. Just a thought, this is a

long journey many paths to take. Hope you find whats right for your child.

What works for one AS child does not mean it well work for another, everyone

is diffrent. Just my 2cents.

Bob in north Calif.

Kim Mans <kmans@...> wrote:

Jackie,

My 7 year old was put an initial dose of Zoloft (25mg), then they went a

little higher (37 ½) mg. The higher dose caused him to have no anxiety at

all, which seems good, but means he was extremely bold, cocky and didn't

care about consequences. He was more non-compliant and disruptive in class

too. The psych said if you go to high, that can happen, so she brought it

back down to find the right dosage.

- Kim

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In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:09:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cmcintosh5@... writes:

AMEN!! You said it.

-------Original Message-------

From: Alcouffe

Date: 02/18/06 11:50:17

Subject: RE: ( ) suspended

Maybe Zoloft is not the answer. Just a thought, this is a

long journey many paths to take. Hope you find whats right for your child.

What works for one AS child does not mean it well work for another, everyone

is diffrent. Just my 2cents.

Bob in north Calif.

Zoloft was a miracle medication for us years ago. Our son could hardly

leave the house, his anxiety was so high. He started taking zoloft and WOW.

Within ten days, he actually had conversations with people (he was too afraid

to

talk to anyone, even his grandparents, prior to this.) It improved his

ability to learn 100% and years later, when we discontinued it, the

improvements

remained with him.

Roxanna ô¿ö

Autism Happens

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In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:17:50 AM Central Standard Time,

kneeleee@... writes:

Zoloft was a miracle medication for us years ago. Our son could hardly

leave the house, his anxiety was so high. He started taking zoloft and

WOW.

Within ten days, he actually had conversations with people (he was too

afraid to

talk to anyone, even his grandparents, prior to this.) It improved his

ability to learn 100% and years later, when we discontinued it, the

improvements

remained with him.

We had the same experience with Zoloft. I just wish my son did not refuse

it currently. His anxiety has gotten much better in the school environment,

but still high overall.