Re: just want to vent, vent & more vent

[Guest guest]

No, I don't think that at all. I think she thinks my son doesn't have a

disability and can do much better, but I'm the one holding him back and that is

why he is the way he is. ugh!

PATRICIA MAIN <mainpatr@...> wrote: Rose,

Just a thought...Do you think that maybe her reaction was because she thought

that she could just pretty much ignore him since he's " disabled " and now he's

proven that he can learn, so now she'll have to make more of an effort on his

behalf?

Pat-mom to Josh(16 AS) and Sara (13 AS)

Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote:

Rose,

It sounds to me like she thought he didn't do it himself. Which

is pretty insulting in and of itself. When I taught, every year, I did

a research

project with my kindergarteners on dinosaurs. It was amazing

the things we'd learn. The retention level was astonishing. So

it doesn't sound out of the realm of possibility for a bright third

grader to have written a beautiful project on an animal he loves.

This teacher missed a great opportunity to help your son feel

great about himself. What a great, great pity.

Liz

On Mar 23, 2006, at 1:18 PM, beachbodytan2002 wrote:

> I just got back from a team meeting. the teacher complained and was

> very upset about::: for homework my son had to do an assisment on

> an animal. " of his choice " (making long story short). my son told

> me which animal he was interested in. gave me a name to look up on

> the computer and I printed out all the info. He glued photos &

> story on the subject to a large construction paper. he enjoyed

> talking about it and all the info he learned. he was even excited

> that he thought of the " site name " to look up the info on the

> computer. " His teacher wasn't " . She was so upset, yelled at him

> for having too much information. she just wanted little bits of

> info. To him & myself it looked awesome. She told me that was

> too much for a 3rd grade to do. My venting part is I was so shocked

> at her remark.

>

[Guest guest]

that is horrible!!! you need to complain about that! I would go straight to

the teacher myself and tell her where to go!!!! That is completelly

unacceptable! I am so sorry for you and your son.

erica

[Guest guest]

omg, that woman is awful.

I'd make an appt with the principal immediately, and take a brief

summary with you of the situation thus far, listing the communication

you've had with the teacher, what she's said in response, done/said to

your son, etc. This is completely ridiculous and she may continue until

she realizes that her boss is going to hear about it.

Why is she in this profession?

beachbodytan2002 wrote:

> Hello Group,

> I just wanted to let all who responded to my post, Who read about my

> son doing an animal report, that the teacher was so angry because he

> did more than he was suppose to... I wanted to share this....

> I guess the teacher felt she needed to do more.... What she now did

> is tell my son to change his animal because another child in the class

> picked the same animal as him. even though my son submitted his

> chart with the animal that he already worked so hard on, she asked him

> if he can change to another animal. I can't believe that a teacher

> could get so angry over this, that she needs to make it as hard as

> possible for him. that she also needs to feel that much control of the

> situation that she has to take away the animal of his choice that she

> told him in the first place he can pick. he already picked library

> books to read more on that animal. asked for information on the

> computer, and now, today, was told he has to change that animal to

> another animal. WOW. I tell myself, We only have the month of

> April, May, & June Then its summer. I can't wait.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, we are trying to set up a meeting. She " is " an awesome teacher and my

son is learning so much from her and he does love her. I don't know what

happened with this assignment. She just got so upset with the way he did it and

she is not hiding her feelings about how upset this had made her. outch. I

can't believe that she is still that upset over this. Just 3 more months and

then summer. yeah...

cindy_pinder <cindy_pinder@...> wrote:

>

> What she now did

> is tell my son to change his animal because another child in the

class

> picked the same animal as him.

You may need to get clarifiaction as to the goal of the project. Is it

learning or claasroom animal diversification? As any teacher should

know that it so often is not the product that makes the learning but

the process. As a public school teacher I am too often equally proud

and embarrased by my collegues.

[Guest guest]

we are trying to set up a meeting ASAP.

Lovelyladie99@... wrote: that is horrible!!! you need to complain about

that! I would go straight to

the teacher myself and tell her where to go!!!! That is completelly

unacceptable! I am so sorry for you and your son.

erica

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I did go to cse and they are trying to set up a meeting.

disorderlybehavior <disorderlybehavior@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Group,

> I just wanted to let all who responded to my post, Who read about

my

> son doing an animal report, that the teacher was so angry because

he

> did more than he was suppose to... I wanted to share this....

> I guess the teacher felt she needed to do more.... What she now

did

> is tell my son to change his animal because another child in the

class

> picked the same animal as him. even though my son submitted his

> chart with the animal that he already worked so hard on, she asked

him

> if he can change to another animal.

You've got to be kidding me! I'm pretty much a hothead myself, but I

would tell that woman he is going to CONTINUE the project he already

started! Does she have any idea how devastated he was to begin with?

Some of these teachers leave me wondering how in the world they ever

got into this line of work! And they're supposed to be professionals?

Mature adults? PLEASE! Do you have any kind of liason? A good

relationship with any of the administration? Even though school is

only

a couple months more, she can't be allowed to continue treating your

son this way. What a *^ & ^%!!! Sorry, but I have been dealing with too

many school officials with their heads up their & ^%* & ^ these last two

weeks that I just get infuriated now. How DARE they make our kids

lives

harder than it already is! I'd like to see them go through ONE week

of

the crap our AS kids go through and see how they feel about them

then,

maybe then they would have a little more respect for our kids'

triumphs

in life! My heart and prayers to you and your son

Theresa Harding

[Guest guest]

She is obviously a control freak and is either too old and needs to retire, or

has adopted old ways of teaching and needs to reform those teaching practices.

Glenna

Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote:

omg, that woman is awful.

I'd make an appt with the principal immediately, and take a brief

summary with you of the situation thus far, listing the communication

you've had with the teacher, what she's said in response, done/said to

your son, etc. This is completely ridiculous and she may continue until

she realizes that her boss is going to hear about it.

Why is she in this profession?

beachbodytan2002 wrote:

> Hello Group,

> I just wanted to let all who responded to my post, Who read about my

> son doing an animal report, that the teacher was so angry because he

> did more than he was suppose to... I wanted to share this....

> I guess the teacher felt she needed to do more.... What she now did

> is tell my son to change his animal because another child in the class

> picked the same animal as him. even though my son submitted his

> chart with the animal that he already worked so hard on, she asked him

> if he can change to another animal. I can't believe that a teacher

> could get so angry over this, that she needs to make it as hard as

> possible for him. that she also needs to feel that much control of the

> situation that she has to take away the animal of his choice that she

> told him in the first place he can pick. he already picked library

> books to read more on that animal. asked for information on the

> computer, and now, today, was told he has to change that animal to

> another animal. WOW. I tell myself, We only have the month of

> April, May, & June Then its summer. I can't wait.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Subject: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

Hello Group,

I just wanted to let all who responded to my post, Who read about my

son doing an animal report, that the teacher was so angry because he

did more than he was suppose to... I wanted to share this....

I guess the teacher felt she needed to do more.... What she now did

is tell my son to change his animal because another child in the class

picked the same animal as him. even though my son submitted his

chart with the animal that he already worked so hard on, she asked him

if he can change to another animal. I can't believe that a teacher

could get so angry over this, that she needs to make it as hard as

possible for him. that she also needs to feel that much control of the

situation that she has to take away the animal of his choice that she

told him in the first place he can pick. he already picked library

books to read more on that animal. asked for information on the

computer, and now, today, was told he has to change that animal to

another animal. WOW. I tell myself, We only have the month of

April, May, & June Then its summer. I can't wait.

Oh boy, you need to contact the principal and demand that this nonsense stop

immediately. She already knows he is done with his project and to ask him

to do another project on another animal is ridiculous. If it were my kid,

he would NOT do another project! What nonsense! Tell Teacher to get a real

life!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Subject: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

I just got back from a team meeting. the teacher complained and was

very upset about::: for homework my son had to do an assisment on

an animal. " of his choice " (making long story short). my son told

me which animal he was interested in. gave me a name to look up on

the computer and I printed out all the info. He glued photos &

story on the subject to a large construction paper. he enjoyed

talking about it and all the info he learned. he was even excited

that he thought of the " site name " to look up the info on the

computer. " His teacher wasn't " . She was so upset, yelled at him

for having too much information. she just wanted little bits of

info. To him & myself it looked awesome. She told me that was

too much for a 3rd grade to do. My venting part is I was so shocked

at her remark. I could just imagine how my son must of felt because

he was so proud of himself for doing this and coming up with the

idea. All I did was print out the information. She told me she later

apolized to him for getting that upset with him for doing it that

way, but I feel she already did the damage (hurt)to my son.

Sometimes she gives him so much homework I can't believe she expects

him to do that much. And yet, she complains about this. something

he enjoyed and was so proud doing. Outch!!!

How awful of her! She should start handing out specific rules for each

assignment if she intends to be that picky. Without having specifics, how

could anyone know? Instead, she should have praised him for doing the extra

work. Incredible how they hate anyone who excels! Augh!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Subject: Re: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

Dear Pat,

I was still upset about this, And with the way the teacher was speaking

to me again today. (outch again) I mentioned it to the CSE chairperson

and she is going to set up a meeting so we can all discuss this. (all of us

together) the teacher was still " venting " on me, about the homework

assignment and wouldn't let me speak about my feelings. Now we are going to

discuss this at a meeting. I'm still in shock. what about the children

that don't even turn in a homework assignment?

Well, I am glad you are having a meeting about it. I would NOT apologize

that your kid did his assignment and did a really good job as well. Tell

her to knock it off!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Subject: RE: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

Roxanna,

She did hand out specific rules on how to do this but my son never gave

this to me. Its on his IEP that he has processing difficulty and poor

origination skills which the school is aware of and is working on this with

him. But the teacher thinks I'm holding him back because she feels he can

do this. communicate with no problems and doesn't need any help. Well, I

took my son for a CAP test and it showed up that he has trouble with

" decoding " & with background noise, when there is noise in the room he

can't focus on things he needs too understand or learn. has short term

memory issues. When learning something new for the first time. He needs

it explained to him " one on one first " , & make sure he understands it,

before he can do the assignment. It also shows why he has a hard time with

spelling words, reading, & writing. also, some sounds in letters he does

not hear so they want to see him again in another year to retest him. So,

you can imagine how hard he worked on

this animal chart And how he felt when she said " You did it wrong " ! But

still, she thinks he can do everything independently, " but I'M holding him

back " .

That is really awful. Can you request he be moved to another teacher? She

sounds awful. Anytime a teacher tries to cure my kids, I run. We went

through that a number of times with my older ds (HFA) and I vowed to take my

younger ds and run far away if he is put with one like that. Life's too

short to spend it proving a teacher wrong about your kid. And your kid gets

stressed out and loses, wasting an entire school year.

You should look up " executive dysfunction " articles to give to the teacher

to help explain organizational problems. Also, there is a nice article of

" How to teach children with HFA " and it also explains problems remembering.

Learn to laugh off suggestions that you are holding him back. You realize

that your support is crucial to helping him succeed. Whenever that happens,

they like to make it seem like we are hovering mother hens. This is not a

typical child so this is not applicable to us. Sometimes I think if they

tell me stuff like this, it's like a badge showing I must be doing something

right. <GG> At any rate, you could formulate a reply to this comment so

you are prepared with something to shove back at her - like say, " Thank you

for noticing that I care about my child. " And SMILE!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Roxanna,

thanks for that!!!! because hearing her say " that I'm holding him back " in

spite of all the interventions that my son needed up to today and how hard and

consistent it is working with him and all involved (doctors, therapy, social

skills ext....) I still had this tiny thought, maybe I am holding him back.

Until I let him try something new for the first time. they I see all the baby

steps needed for him to learn that. " reality hits " I did mention that in his

first " team meeting " I said to the teacher, he is not cured of apsergers! you

can't cure it. she said, I just don't see it. What are they thinking he has

when he needs one on one for organization " has a chart on his desk to help him

remember things he needs to do " he has speech, a social skill group, resource

room to help with reading, spelling, & writing which he is at 2nd grade level &

in 3rd grade. It took me a half the year to convince them he can't read, spell

or write. the speech teacher also helps him

with writing - doing webbing to help organize his thoughts. and with all this,

he doesn't have a problem except I'm holding him back! I was the one that got

him this help so he can be independent in the first place. OUTCH. I'm going

to check out that site you suggested. sorry for making this so long. but it

will get longer at his CSE meeting. Oh, they are waiting for him to take this

years TESTING to prove me wrong. - Rose

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

Roxanna,

She did hand out specific rules on how to do this but my son never gave

this to me. Its on his IEP that he has processing difficulty and poor

origination skills which the school is aware of and is working on this with

him. But the teacher thinks I'm holding him back because she feels he can

do this. communicate with no problems and doesn't need any help. Well, I

took my son for a CAP test and it showed up that he has trouble with

" decoding " & with background noise, when there is noise in the room he

can't focus on things he needs too understand or learn. has short term

memory issues. When learning something new for the first time. He needs

it explained to him " one on one first " , & make sure he understands it,

before he can do the assignment. It also shows why he has a hard time with

spelling words, reading, & writing. also, some sounds in letters he does

not hear so they want to see him again in another year to retest him. So,

you can imagine how hard he worked on

this animal chart And how he felt when she said " You did it wrong " ! But

still, she thinks he can do everything independently, " but I'M holding him

back " .

That is really awful. Can you request he be moved to another teacher? She

sounds awful. Anytime a teacher tries to cure my kids, I run. We went

through that a number of times with my older ds (HFA) and I vowed to take my

younger ds and run far away if he is put with one like that. Life's too

short to spend it proving a teacher wrong about your kid. And your kid gets

stressed out and loses, wasting an entire school year.

You should look up " executive dysfunction " articles to give to the teacher

to help explain organizational problems. Also, there is a nice article of

" How to teach children with HFA " and it also explains problems remembering.

Learn to laugh off suggestions that you are holding him back. You realize

that your support is crucial to helping him succeed. Whenever that happens,

they like to make it seem like we are hovering mother hens. This is not a

typical child so this is not applicable to us. Sometimes I think if they

tell me stuff like this, it's like a badge showing I must be doing something

right. <GG> At any rate, you could formulate a reply to this comment so

you are prepared with something to shove back at her - like say, " Thank you

for noticing that I care about my child. " And SMILE!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Subject: RE: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

Roxanna,

thanks for that!!!! because hearing her say " that I'm holding him back "

in spite of all the interventions that my son needed up to today and how

hard and consistent it is working with him and all involved (doctors,

therapy, social skills ext....) I still had this tiny thought, maybe I am

holding him back. Until I let him try something new for the first time.

they I see all the baby steps needed for him to learn that. " reality hits "

I did mention that in his first " team meeting " I said to the teacher, he is

not cured of apsergers! you can't cure it. she said, I just don't see it.

What are they thinking he has when he needs one on one for organization " has

a chart on his desk to help him remember things he needs to do " he has

speech, a social skill group, resource room to help with reading, spelling,

& writing which he is at 2nd grade level & in 3rd grade. It took me a half

the year to convince them he can't read, spell or write. the speech teacher

also helps him

with writing - doing webbing to help organize his thoughts. and with all

this, he doesn't have a problem except I'm holding him back! I was the one

that got him this help so he can be independent in the first place. OUTCH.

I'm going to check out that site you suggested. sorry for making this so

long. but it will get longer at his CSE meeting. Oh, they are waiting for

him to take this years TESTING to prove me wrong. - Rose

Well, have confidence that you are doing the right thing by advocating for

your child and don't let this teacher convince you otherwise. You know if

he could do things on his own, you would never be butting in at school and

frankly, wouldn't that be nice! We'd all like to forget and stop having to

research every blessed thing all the time to help our kids! It would be so

nice just to send them off to school and never have to think about it again.

Don't we wish!

What would testing prove anyway? That he isn't a dummy? Duh. Lol.

Testing for social skill, pragmatics, executive dysfunction - all these

probably won't be on their list of tests, will they? Fine motor? Sensory?

If he is having an MFE, be sure and request that they evaluate these areas

also and not just the academics.

And at the next IEP meeting, request teacher training in AS. Since teachie

doesn't " see it " , this probably indicates ignorance on her part about the

problems specific to AS. So a little education would do her good.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Roxanna,

that paragraph you wrote that starts with: What would testing prove anyway?

he's no dummy! Another thing I'm adding at the CSE meeting! And I will keep my

focus on " my concerns " . They like to interrupt it with how well he's doing with

some academics. I know he has strengths! but, we are here to discuss his weak

areas. We are bringing up the sensory issues, " he was just tested for that " .

They are going to question the CAP director on her recommendations. They said

the report was not clear. (it was clear to me) Roxanne, Your advice is always

helpful. I always read what you write to others. I TAKE MY NOTES!!! LOL.

Thanks for responding to my post.

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: ( ) just want to vent, vent & more vent

Roxanna,

thanks for that!!!! because hearing her say " that I'm holding him back "

in spite of all the interventions that my son needed up to today and how

hard and consistent it is working with him and all involved (doctors,

therapy, social skills ext....) I still had this tiny thought, maybe I am

holding him back. Until I let him try something new for the first time.

they I see all the baby steps needed for him to learn that. " reality hits "

I did mention that in his first " team meeting " I said to the teacher, he is

not cured of apsergers! you can't cure it. she said, I just don't see it.

What are they thinking he has when he needs one on one for organization " has

a chart on his desk to help him remember things he needs to do " he has

speech, a social skill group, resource room to help with reading, spelling,

& writing which he is at 2nd grade level & in 3rd grade. It took me a half

the year to convince them he can't read, spell or write. the speech teacher

also helps him

with writing - doing webbing to help organize his thoughts. and with all

this, he doesn't have a problem except I'm holding him back! I was the one

that got him this help so he can be independent in the first place. OUTCH.

I'm going to check out that site you suggested. sorry for making this so

long. but it will get longer at his CSE meeting. Oh, they are waiting for

him to take this years TESTING to prove me wrong. - Rose

Well, have confidence that you are doing the right thing by advocating for

your child and don't let this teacher convince you otherwise. You know if

he could do things on his own, you would never be butting in at school and

frankly, wouldn't that be nice! We'd all like to forget and stop having to

research every blessed thing all the time to help our kids! It would be so

nice just to send them off to school and never have to think about it again.

Don't we wish!

What would testing prove anyway? That he isn't a dummy? Duh. Lol.

Testing for social skill, pragmatics, executive dysfunction - all these

probably won't be on their list of tests, will they? Fine motor? Sensory?

If he is having an MFE, be sure and request that they evaluate these areas

also and not just the academics.

And at the next IEP meeting, request teacher training in AS. Since teachie

doesn't " see it " , this probably indicates ignorance on her part about the

problems specific to AS. So a little education would do her good.

Roxanna