Re: Hello Hello, What's this then?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:44:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dillanhuntex10@... writes:

P.S. The title, " Asperger's Support group " , and purpose of this group

is both surprising and insulting. I truly expected this was going to

be a group of people with asperger traits discussing how complicated

and frustrating it is to deal with people who call themselves " normal "

with a straight face.

,

I'm not sure you read our introduction prior to joining this group but our

purpose and focus is specifically outlined for all to see. More probably, you

saw it and thought you would stir things up a bit. After all, having an IQ

of 140 means you probably can and did read our introduction just fine.

There are a lot of groups on group where self-dx'd " aspies " can bitch

and moan about " normal " people and I'm sure you would fit in just great with

them. So you should go find one of those. We are not one of those groups.

Another thing to remember is that being quirky, having poor social skills

and having an IQ of 140 doesn't make a person a person with Asperger Syndrome.

AS is a real disability, not a little quirk or personality glitch. People

with AS do have serious problems - the DSM uses words like, " severe " for a

reason. Good luck with your future.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:18:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

I don't think you have Asperger's after all. No one *I* know who has it,

would EVER judge someone else that way. Most of us are here to meet people who

understand that our kids are different, and not just ill behaved spoiled

little brats that most uninformed people think they are. I suspect that you may

be

just that. Please don't let the door hit you in the ass.

My apologies Roxanna, but this one hit my buttons.

It's sad but true - there are a lot of people out there who decide they have

AS because they are shy or have no friends. Then they suddenly become

experts in AS and what we should do about it (usually, nothing but celebrate the

wonderful beings that they are - go figure.)

Don't apologize. I was actually practicing my " nice " on him. lol. Your

post is what I would have written. lol.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Today's subliminal thought is:

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:20:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rrabbits@... writes:

Try not to be too hard on them here because many are at least trying to

understand and they need to categorize things in their own way to deal with

them in their own life. People have a tendency to define themselves as

normal and everyone else as just a bit off.

No, actually here on this list, we define people without AS or autism as

" NT " and not as " normal. "

Roxanna ôô

" If we took all of the morons and shipped them down to Antarctica, would the

stupid airheads eventually just float away through the hole in the Ozone

Layer? "

- burning thoughts from Nan the Wiser

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:26:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cmcintosh5@... writes:

I truly value your opinions that you express here.. some of our

children are non verbal and hearing some concise advice from a teenager who

is on the spectrum is indeed helpful.

It is doubtful that here has AS.

Roxanna ôô

" If we took all of the morons and shipped them down to Antarctica, would the

stupid airheads eventually just float away through the hole in the Ozone

Layer? "

- burning thoughts from Nan the Wiser

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 11:22:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cmcintosh5@... writes:

LOL OK Now.. LOL.. he is 15.. and we all know that comes with it's own

issues LOL Don't you remember when you were an expert on everything too??

LOL (wink)

Well, when I was 15, I WAS an expert on everything. <g>

Roxanna

ö¿ö

In God we trust, all others we virus scan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:18:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Who the hell do you think you are judging parents whose children you don't

know? My son is medicated, and I am not ashamed of that. I do not medicate him

to make him a " designer child " . I medicate him so that his impulsive nature

doesn't cause harm to others OR TO HIM. He has injured himself, and my

daughter.

I don't think you have Asperger's after all. No one *I* know who has it,

would EVER judge someone else that way. Most of us are here to meet people who

understand that our kids are different, and not just ill behaved spoiled

little brats that most uninformed people think they are. I suspect that you may

be just that. Please don't let the door hit you in the ass.

My apologies Roxanna, but this one hit my buttons.

MTE, Tammy.

My response to this " gentleman " is a profound " Uh-huh. Yeah, right "

Connie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 12:37:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Hey COnnie- what I usually want to do when people start telling us how evil

we are for medicating our children, is leave those people alone in a room

with them- unmedicated! Let them see that medicine is to HELP our kids, not to

stifle their creativity... Ask NICK how he feels about being medicated... or

better yet, ask him how he feels when he's not.

<spew> WHAT??? And give them the opportunity to claim that it's lousy

parenting? ROFL

Connie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 1:45:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dillanhuntex10@... writes:

People are so quick to change their opinions about

you when they know you technically fit into some sort of category.

" You're AUTISTIC?!- Autistic spectrum, yes I believe so...- Oh wow,

bless your heart.. What are you doing about it?- What do you mean what

am I doing about it?- You know finding out you're autistic and all-

It's not a bloody cold, it's a personality type-

Actually, it's not a personality type. It's a neuro-developmental disorder.

If you haven't gotten a dx and don't feel it's a problem, then why tell

people you have it, especially as you very well might not have it.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Today's subliminal thought is:

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 1:45:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dillanhuntex10@... writes:

I sometimes use what I'm writing to vent my inner frustation and that

particular statement comes from a talk I had with a counselor once

that led to her suggesting me being placed in alternative classes and

being medicated(The issue in question was my speech impediment and

slow speaking style). Another bit of anger I had came from my brief

message reading I did before posting. Short messages like " My son just

got diagnosed with AS? How should I medicate him " .

I'm not sure what alternative classes you would attend due to a speech

imediment. I would think you'd get ST for that, not alternative classes.

Another thing to consider about others - many times parents are struggling

for years to find help for their child. once they find the right dx, they want

to know what kinds of medications help related to the disorder since they

now have the direction to find the help that they are looking for. Again, not

all parents need to use medications with their child, but some do. And on

this list, we support that as well as other methods of dealing with problems.

But asking is not a bad thing here nor unusual since this is one feature of

our group - passing along helpful advice and information from people who have

already BTDT to those who are just starting the journey.

If you have a problem with a specific person, like a school counselor, it is

likely easier to take it to that person and not take it out on the rest of

the human race.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Today's subliminal thought is:

[Guest guest]

There has been no link between a real

physical problem and asperger's syndrome. Medicating a child with

asperger-like traits is the same as medicating a child who shows

himself to be too outgoing.

<

Who the hell do you think you are judging parents whose children you don't know?

My son is medicated, and I am not ashamed of that. I do not medicate him to make

him a " designer child " . I medicate him so that his impulsive nature doesn't

cause harm to others OR TO HIM. He has injured himself, and my daughter.

I don't think you have Asperger's after all. No one *I* know who has it, would

EVER judge someone else that way. Most of us are here to meet people who

understand that our kids are different, and not just ill behaved spoiled little

brats that most uninformed people think they are. I suspect that you may be just

that. Please don't let the door hit you in the ass.

My apologies Roxanna, but this one hit my buttons.

[Guest guest]

Hello. Welcome. This group does seem to be a mix. I have mostly been

lurking since I tend to have many interests and both my husband, myself and

our three children are benefitted by Aspergers/High Functioning Autism. We

do become exasperated with communications with those afflicted with

'normality' sometimes. I sometimes forget and am surprised when someone at

the school starts talking about my son's behavior as hard to understand when

he has reacted in a way that I find perfectly understandable and reasonable

that reminds me of my own reactions at his age in school settings.

Try not to be too hard on them here because many are at least trying to

understand and they need to categorize things in their own way to deal with

them in their own life. People have a tendency to define themselves as

normal and everyone else as just a bit off.

Its okay to do things your own way. I remember in college the counselor

exhorting me to stop signing up for those advanced math and science courses

since my major was English. I took them anyway. The counselor felt I

should stick to the 'easy' electives. I wanted to take interesting classes

not boring ones. You will get a lot of advice in your life. Do consider

it, but if it doesn't fit your needs feel quite free to discard it.

Kathy J.

( ) Hello Hello, What's this then?

> First of all I'd like to say it is not my intention to offend anyone

> today, I'd just like to further my knowledge in this subject by

> getting the viewpoint of all those concerned. My name is

> (), I am a 15 year old student from Texas.

[Guest guest]

First off, I take none of what you said personally because among other

things, you are 15 and have no idea what it means to be a parent...

Also, the spectrum of Asperger's itself is rather lengthy - in fact the

range of ability and disability is quite vast - and you need to understand

that not everyone with this diagnosis or TRAITS of this diagnosis is at the

level of functioning that you are at and as a result, there are a whole host

of issues that parents are trying to help their children deal with that you

may not have EVER experienced. I put the word TRAITS in caps for a reason as

you shared that you feel that you have these traits - to have these 'traits'

versus to have the full blown diagnosis involves, quite frankly, a world of

difference - for example, perhaps the sniffles or a mild cold versus full

blown in the hospital pneumonia - and if you are as interested in becoming a

pychiatrist or physician as you say you are, than it would be a very wise

move on your part to learn more about the range of differences and all the

areas that are impacted...you might also want to part company with ideas

like 'designer children thru medication' unless your plan is to graduate and

have a career that lasts, I dunno, maybe a day....if that.

I don't think there are many here on this list at all who have EVER said

that there is ANYTHING wrong with being different...thank god that people

are different. I teach my son every day that people are different and that's

why some people are better at some things than other things, etc. and that

we can't always readily 'see' another persons talents but that does not mean

that they are not there...I also share with him often that variety is the

spice...

You ask the question, " Why is it bad to be different " as if you wish for

tolerance for your differences...I won't argue with that...a heft dose of

tolerance would go a long way in this worldl. But don't you ALSO think that

you need to be tolerant of others differences? Your tone re pop culture and

" people who call themselves " normal " with a straight face " I personally

don't find to be particularly tolerant AT ALL. Why are you intolerant of

them - because they are different from you? You want to be accepted as you

are because you say that you are 'different' and yet I don't hear you ready

to offer that which you want to others...how much sense does that make.

Perhaps others are sarcastic with you and you don't like it - are you able

to see how sarcastically you express your views regarding those who are

'different' from yourself?

Ann

>From: " " <dillanhuntex10@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: ( ) Hello Hello, What's this then?

>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:06:30 -0000

>

>First of all I'd like to say it is not my intention to offend anyone

>today, I'd just like to further my knowledge in this subject by

>getting the viewpoint of all those concerned. My name is

>(), I am a 15 year old student from Texas. All my life I

>was always a little odd. I would opt for the hard classes and take the

>long route even knowing that there was an easier way to do things.

>These things I did were to better my own understandings of subjects,

>not to put myself in good standing with the authority figures in my

>life. As I've previously mentioned I am a little odd, and I'm the

>first one to admit it. This speech style I use is one I've had since

>4th grade and still makes me the recipient of blank stares from

>friends and teachers alike. I'm not much in social situations, unless

>there is some sort of subject specific theme involved and I do seem to

>ramble on subjects that are of particular interest to me. If it's not

>blantantly obvious by now then the only way that comprehension will

>follow is for me to just outright say it: I am what all of you and a

>divided portion of the scientific community calls a " sufferer " of

>asperger's syndrome. I'm not formally diagnosed, and I do not plan on

>getting myself " checked out " by a mental health professional either. I

>found out about this disorder on one of my several hour long wikipedia

>information treks and my response to the definition of the disorder

>was the very same as the one in my subject line. Psychiatry is one of

>my " fixations " I guess you would say (or " interests " , if the subject

>in question is someone without any " mental health issues). I was never

> diagnosed with any development disorders and in second grade I was

>given an IQ test and scored about 140. I was placed in gifted and

>talented classes and never fit in well there either. I have a group of

>friends but don't fit in with the main group of students because I

>refuse to define myself using mainstream media as a clutch(Using pop

>culture as an identity seems like a developmental disorder but to my

>knowledge noone has done a study on that). The point of my ranting

>about myself was to form the basis of another rant.

>

>Why is it so bad to be different? It seems like in this day in age

>people are quick to diagnose and prescribe. I wrote this post on my

>own volition using nothing but my mind, a glass of lemon juice and 5

>minutes of my time. Though I understand that some people really do

>need medication in order to function in society this is not true for

>all " sufferers " of " disorders " . There has been no link between a real

>physical problem and asperger's syndrome. Medicating a child with

>asperger-like traits is the same as medicating a child who shows

>himself to be too outgoing.

>

>I am going to be a Junior next year and I hope once I graduate to go

>to college and become a physician or a psychiatrist. I will do this as

>my own person. I am " , odd, quirky and unique " not " the

>asperger sufferer overcoming adversity " and I will never let anyone

>change me into a designer child through medication or any other

>means.

>

>P.S. The title, " Asperger's Support group " , and purpose of this group

>is both surprising and insulting. I truly expected this was going to

>be a group of people with asperger traits discussing how complicated

>and frustrating it is to deal with people who call themselves " normal "

>with a straight face.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd like to first apologize to the parents that read my post and

thought that I was condemning and judging the use of medication to

treat AS. My comments were directed not to your specific cases but to

the idea of treating every case with medication regardless of the

specific details. The " Designer child " statement was one that might

have been out of line and could have easily been taken out of context,

I sometimes use what I'm writing to vent my inner frustation and that

particular statement comes from a talk I had with a counselor once

that led to her suggesting me being placed in alternative classes and

being medicated(The issue in question was my speech impediment and

slow speaking style). Another bit of anger I had came from my brief

message reading I did before posting. Short messages like " My son just

got diagnosed with AS? How should I medicate him " . Although it's true

that I don't know those people or their situations short messages. I

also apologize for my short Post Script that contained no true point,

I did not make my post to complain about " normal people " or whatever

other meaning that might have been gotten out of that. Parents, this

post was not about you, it was about me. It was about me ranting about

the people in my life who I have told about my conclusions and the

ways they reacted. People are so quick to change their opinions about

you when they know you technically fit into some sort of category.

" You're AUTISTIC?!- Autistic spectrum, yes I believe so...- Oh wow,

bless your heart.. What are you doing about it?- What do you mean what

am I doing about it?- You know finding out you're autistic and all-

It's not a bloody cold, it's a personality type- Still... you going to

take pills or something? "

Evil Penguin showed the sort of generalization I mean best of all:

" I don't think you have Asperger's after all. No one *I* know who has

it, would

EVER judge someone else that way. "

Once again, if you were offended by my statements you either know me

personally in real life or else you read my post wrong.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/26/05 8:03:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

kneeleee@... writes:

It is doubtful that here has AS.

I agree 110 with this.

~ Dawn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/26/05 10:45:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dillanhuntex10@... writes:

Parents, this

post was not about you, it was about me. It was about me ranting about

the people in my life who I have told about my conclusions and the

ways they reacted. People are so quick to change their opinions about

you when they know you technically fit into some sort of category.

" You're AUTISTIC?!- Autistic spectrum, yes I believe so...- Oh wow,

bless your heart.. What are you doing about it?- What do you mean what

am I doing about it?- You know finding out you're autistic and all-

It's not a bloody cold, it's a personality type- Still... you going to

take pills or something? "

Well instead of posting like that....maybe take the time to educate others

on what the spectrum is and what Autism is like to live with if you honestly

have AS. The ignorance of others....classifying Autism as children that rock

back and forth and should be medicated.....is one of the reasons mothers like

us get together for support and advice. You shouldn't tell people that you

HAVE autism if you are not diagnosed either. Just because some of your

characteristics are similar of those with an ASD doesn't mean you have one.

~ Dawn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/26/05 11:00:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dillanhuntex10@... writes:

The anger was directed at figures

and issues in my life, not all of you.

Then instead of coming into a group of parents, find a group of diagnosed

individuals and see how you fit in there. Keeping a journal helps too.

~ Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I appreciated your rant! I have a son, 16, with an AS diagnosis;

also OCD and dysgraphia diagnoses.

From what you might have read on Aspergers Syndrome and the autism

spectrum, you know that each person is still an individual and the

degree to which these " traits of AS " affect each is different.

For my son, I wish he had a friend! He just hasn't been able to

click with anyone. Yet he is, like you, very smart (tho not that

high an IQ as yours!), is probably the nicest person I know, does

great in school (grades). Then there are his weak areas - doing

things for himself, some things are just more complicated for him,

yet he is improving. So those areas have him standing apart from

others (i.e., what is considered average/typical) as to his " age. "

And although he is very smart (I think), he could not have written

such a revealing, expressive note as you just did.

Also, my son doesn't have this problem, but many diagnosed with AS

have outbursts/behaviors that medication actually helps, e.g., might

relieve anxiety or impulsive actions. And these outbursts can occur

at home, school or in the community. So don't think all are

medicated, my son doesn't need any medication due to his Aspergers.

I wish he were outgoing - or whatever - enough to join an online

group or even find an email friend since he doesn't have any social

life. But he's not interested.

Also, I wonder at this point if he could actually live on his own or

hold down a job without a job coach or someone helping. So those

are other weak areas he has that are AS related - for HIM.

As I said above, he's a great person and I wouldn't change a thing

about his personality, just maybe his " life skills " abilities.

Well, gotta go, but I did enjoy your rants/perspective and good luck

with your plans!

single mom, 3 sons

> First of all I'd like to say it is not my intention to offend

anyone

> today, I'd just like to further my knowledge in this subject by

> getting the viewpoint of all those concerned. My name is

> (), I am a 15 year old student from Texas. All my life I

> was always a little odd. I would opt for the hard classes and take

the

> long route even knowing that there was an easier way to do things.

> These things I did were to better my own understandings of

subjects,

[Guest guest]

I'd like to first apologize to the parents that read my post and

thought that I was condemning and judging the use of medication to

treat AS. My comments were directed not to your specific cases but to

the idea of treating every case with medication regardless of the

specific details. The " Designer child " statement was one that might

have been out of line and could have easily been taken out of context,

I sometimes use what I'm writing to vent my inner frustation and that

particular statement comes from a talk I had with a counselor once

that led to her suggesting me being placed in alternative classes and

being medicated(The issue in question was my speech impediment and

slow speaking style). Another bit of anger I had came from my brief

message reading I did before posting. Short messages like " My son just

got diagnosed with AS? How should I medicate him " . Although it's true

that I don't know those people or their situations short messages. I

also apologize for my short Post Script that contained no true point,

I did not make my post to complain about " normal people " or whatever

other meaning that might have been gotten out of that. Parents, this

post was not about you, it was about me. It was about me ranting about

the people in my life who I have told about my conclusions and the

ways they reacted. People are so quick to change their opinions about

you when they know you technically fit into some sort of category.

" You're AUTISTIC?!- Autistic spectrum, yes I believe so...- Oh wow,

bless your heart.. What are you doing about it?- What do you mean what

am I doing about it?- You know finding out you're autistic and all-

It's not a bloody cold, it's a personality type- Still... you going to

take pills or something? "

Evil Penguin showed the sort of generalization I mean best of all:

" I don't think you have Asperger's after all. No one *I* know who has

it, would

EVER judge someone else that way. "

Once again, if you were offended by my statements you either know me

personally in real life or else you read my post wrong.

(To moderator, I might have posted twice. I don't know if you rejected

my previous post or haven't received it. There was technical errors

here earlier.)

[Guest guest]

Hey COnnie- what I usually want to do when people start telling us how evil we

are for medicating our children, is leave those people alone in a room with

them- unmedicated! Let them see that medicine is to HELP our kids, not to stifle

their creativity... Ask NICK how he feels about being medicated... or better

yet, ask him how he feels when he's not.

HUGS- God I missed you guys!

Love

Tammy

[Guest guest]

he is 15.. and we all know that comes with it's own

issues LOL Don't you remember when you were an expert on everything too??

<

That was the point I was too angry to make Chris- he's FIFTEEN... and while I

have BEEN fifteen, and can at least relate to that... he has never been the

parent of ANY child, much less one with special needs. I've had two. One who

NEEDS his meds to function, and is still quirky and needs a little direction,

and one that died of something medicine couldn't fix. I get a little defensive

when someone tries to tell me how to parent. Especially someone who cannot

POSSIBLY relate.

[Guest guest]

HI .. I truly value your opinions that you express here.. some of our

children are non verbal and hearing some concise advice from a teenager who

is on the spectrum is indeed helpful. I know there are a lot of

adult-aspie.. sites.. as well..that do exactly what you describe.. ( a

support group for those who are on the spectrum- to relate directly with

others.. on the spectrum as well.)

You see.. as parents... of children we also need support .. and we find this

here in this forum to be quite helpful.

I think you are obviously an intelligent young man.. and that is exactly why

I value your input on the topic.

and .. exactly why I have continued to fight for my son's right to an

education. My son is highly intelligent.. yet learns differently... and

deserves to be educated not.. put into a corner and told " ACT NORMAL " ..

ahem.. NORMAL>. the OTHER N word LOL!! to me that is almost as vile...LOL

Take care hon... you are outspoken and know yourself.. so far as a 15 year

old can.. you will surely become a fantastic adult too.

Stay true to yourself.... I can only hope for as much for my son as well..

Chris.. ( mom to Chase and a few more) ( oh yes.. and sometimes groups are

started with a name.. and can't always be changed once it has started...)

-- ( ) Hello Hello, What's this then?

First of all I'd like to say it is not my intention to offend anyone

today, I'd just like to further my knowledge in this subject by

getting the viewpoint of all those concerned. My name is

(), I am a 15 year old student from Texas. All my life I

was always a little odd. I would opt for the hard classes and take the

long route even knowing that there was an easier way to do things.

These things I did were to better my own understandings of subjects,

not to put myself in good standing with the authority figures in my

life. As I've previously mentioned I am a little odd, and I'm the

first one to admit it. This speech style I use is one I've had since

4th grade and still makes me the recipient of blank stares from

friends and teachers alike. I'm not much in social situations, unless

there is some sort of subject specific theme involved and I do seem to

ramble on subjects that are of particular interest to me. If it's not

blantantly obvious by now then the only way that comprehension will

follow is for me to just outright say it: I am what all of you and a

divided portion of the scientific community calls a " sufferer " of

asperger's syndrome. I'm not formally diagnosed, and I do not plan on

getting myself " checked out " by a mental health professional either. I

found out about this disorder on one of my several hour long wikipedia

information treks and my response to the definition of the disorder

was the very same as the one in my subject line. Psychiatry is one of

my " fixations " I guess you would say (or " interests " , if the subject

in question is someone without any " mental health issues). I was never

diagnosed with any development disorders and in second grade I was

given an IQ test and scored about 140. I was placed in gifted and

talented classes and never fit in well there either. I have a group of

friends but don't fit in with the main group of students because I

refuse to define myself using mainstream media as a clutch(Using pop

culture as an identity seems like a developmental disorder but to my

knowledge noone has done a study on that). The point of my ranting

about myself was to form the basis of another rant.

Why is it so bad to be different? It seems like in this day in age

people are quick to diagnose and prescribe. I wrote this post on my

own volition using nothing but my mind, a glass of lemon juice and 5

minutes of my time. Though I understand that some people really do

need medication in order to function in society this is not true for

all " sufferers " of " disorders " . There has been no link between a real

physical problem and asperger's syndrome. Medicating a child with

asperger-like traits is the same as medicating a child who shows

himself to be too outgoing.

I am going to be a Junior next year and I hope once I graduate to go

to college and become a physician or a psychiatrist. I will do this as

my own person. I am " , odd, quirky and unique " not " the

asperger sufferer overcoming adversity " and I will never let anyone

change me into a designer child through medication or any other

means.

P.S. The title, " Asperger's Support group " , and purpose of this group

is both surprising and insulting. I truly expected this was going to

be a group of people with asperger traits discussing how complicated

and frustrating it is to deal with people who call themselves " normal "

with a straight face.

[Guest guest]

I have been trying to respond and follow up on my post with an apology

and an explanation for what I said but the mod keeps deleting it.

You'll probably never hear this either.

[Guest guest]

The moderator seems to be fixated on not letting my messages get

through, so if this one doesn't I will just give up. I didn't mean to

say medicating was evil, I just wanted to say that medicating

regardless of the circumstances was. The anger was directed at figures

and issues in my life, not all of you. I apologize if my message was

misinterpreted. That is all.

[Guest guest]

LOL OK Now.. LOL.. he is 15.. and we all know that comes with it's own

issues LOL Don't you remember when you were an expert on everything too??

LOL (wink)

-- Re: ( ) Hello Hello, What's this then?

There has been no link between a real

physical problem and asperger's syndrome. Medicating a child with

asperger-like traits is the same as medicating a child who shows

himself to be too outgoing.

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Who the hell do you think you are judging parents whose children you don't

know? My son is medicated, and I am not ashamed of that. I do not medicate

him to make him a " designer child " . I medicate him so that his impulsive

nature doesn't cause harm to others OR TO HIM. He has injured himself, and

my daughter.

I don't think you have Asperger's after all. No one *I* know who has it,

would EVER judge someone else that way. Most of us are here to meet people

who understand that our kids are different, and not just ill behaved spoiled

little brats that most uninformed people think they are. I suspect that you

may be just that. Please don't let the door hit you in the ass.

My apologies Roxanna, but this one hit my buttons.

[Guest guest]

On Jul 26, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Evil Penguin wrote:

> Hey COnnie- what I usually want to do when people start telling us how

> evil we are for medicating our children, is leave those people alone

> in a room with them- unmedicated! Let them see that medicine is to

> HELP our kids, not to stifle their creativity... Ask NICK how he feels

> about being medicated... or better yet, ask him how he feels when he's

> not.

Amen to that. just can't focus and concentrate when he misses

his meds. Plus he'd sleep ALL DAY.

Liz

> HUGS- God I missed you guys!

> Love

> Tammy