Re: (My first post disappeared-may show up-) violence and rages

[Guest guest]

I know that vaccines are not the sole cause of ASD's, however, there are

studies supporting their being a major contributing factor to the drastic rise

in numbers. If you read Kennedy's letter, he also refers to a study done among

non-immunized children in the US.

Theresa

Hall Melinda <mlndhall@...> wrote:

I just wanted to add to the post regarding the

research.

My dad was diagnosed 37 years ago with manic

depression and obsessive-compulsive personality. (I

have actually seen the medical book regarding the

personality vs. the disorder, so I know it exists).

However, back in 1969, I'm sure they didn't have much

knowledge regarding autism, autism-spectrum disorders

and the like. I could almost guarantee that he would

be diagnosed with Asperger's if they had the same

knowledge back then as they do today. He was 40 at the

time he was finally given the above diagnosis. By then

he was about to be a father for the 6th time. He was a

printer, by trade. Something that was started as an

apprenticeship when he was 14. He was good at what he

did. (Not great), and now that I have learned so much

with , I can see A LOT of traits that are

definitely asperger's.

My oldest brother fits the profile to a " T " . He should

be a poster child! He is 54. He is so much like my

dad. He's never been diagnosed with anything. He is a

professor at a college and has earned his doctrate and

has written many books. He was even an missionary over

in Sweden for 4 years along with his wife. But you

could almost check off every trait of Asperger's and

they would pertain to him!

My 2nd oldest brother, I'm not sure about. My 3rd

oldest brother I think, would be classified as

high-functioning aspergers. He is a lot like my dad,

but there are somethings that he didn't " get " .

My 4th oldest brother-who is 5 years older than me-I

totally believe is asperger's as well. He couldn't

function if he didn't have the wife he did, who is

very " mothering " towards him. He also fits the

profile, but he's never been diagnosed. He used to

play drums in band, and outside of school, and my

mother even went so far as to cross-stitch a sampler

for him that shows all these drummers lined up behind

each other and one turned the opposite way that reads,

" Marches to the beat of a different drummer. " Hmmmmmm.

Now that we know about asperger's, it really was very

appropriate. My mom doesn't " see " it, but she's also

come from a generation that covered up anyone that was

" different " or there was major denial in the family.

My sister and I somehow " escaped " any of the traits.

However, both of her sons (who were both born after

her daughter), and my sons have had similiar problems.

Her sons were born between 1983 and 1985. And she

faced many similiar problems with her oldest son that

I do with . No one else of my siblings have kids

that had speech delays/problems except my sister and

myself. My 2nd oldest brother's daughter has one that

has had speech delays.

I think my 3rd oldest brother's oldest son may have

been high-functioning as well. There are many traits

that seem to have fit the profile for aspergers. He

was born in 1981. He's never been diagnosed. He just

got married in June of 2004 and has a very prestigiuos

job from having a degree in computer science.

All of my siblings and their kids have been

vaccinated. I know the vaccines have changed since my

oldest brother in 1952, and I just called my mom to

see if my dad was even vaccinated as he was born in

1929, and she didn't think he was-may have had a

diptheria shot.

But, in closing, I just deal with the one I have and

am waiting to see what (my 5 year old) grows up

to have or not have. She had speech delays, and many

think she has ADHD. But we don't know yet.

Melinda

[Guest guest]

> " Marches to the beat of a different drummer. " Hmmmmmm>>>>>>>

Melinda that is what my parents would tell me.

>>and many think she has ADHD.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Did you know that most diagnosed with this actually have Sensory

Integration Dysfuntion. http://www.sinetwork.org

Marj

[Guest guest]

Hi Melinda,

I read everything that you wrote. I know it was not to me. but I found it

interesting, that your father and older brothers have a lot of the AS traits.

They had no interventions as we do today and they " from what I read " did fine.

Your older brother, you said fits the profile to the T. and now he is a

professor at a collage! Either your mother was a very strong woman, always

redirected her children & did all the right things or everyone learned to

compensate for themselves. Now that you know about aspergers, and you see your

family today. would you still say they still fit the AS traits? Or, would you

say they taught themselves so well, it looks like they outgrew it. I know you

can't cure AS. but, you can be taught to act appropriately, and taught the

academics and do well.

Hall Melinda <mlndhall@...> wrote:

I just wanted to add to the post regarding the

research.

My dad was diagnosed 37 years ago with manic

depression and obsessive-compulsive personality. (I

have actually seen the medical book regarding the

personality vs. the disorder, so I know it exists).

However, back in 1969, I'm sure they didn't have much

knowledge regarding autism, autism-spectrum disorders

and the like. I could almost guarantee that he would

be diagnosed with Asperger's if they had the same

knowledge back then as they do today. He was 40 at the

time he was finally given the above diagnosis. By then

he was about to be a father for the 6th time. He was a

printer, by trade. Something that was started as an

apprenticeship when he was 14. He was good at what he

did. (Not great), and now that I have learned so much

with , I can see A LOT of traits that are

definitely asperger's.

My oldest brother fits the profile to a " T " . He should

be a poster child! He is 54. He is so much like my

dad. He's never been diagnosed with anything. He is a

professor at a college and has earned his doctrate and

has written many books. He was even an missionary over

in Sweden for 4 years along with his wife. But you

could almost check off every trait of Asperger's and

they would pertain to him!

My 2nd oldest brother, I'm not sure about. My 3rd

oldest brother I think, would be classified as

high-functioning aspergers. He is a lot like my dad,

but there are somethings that he didn't " get " .

My 4th oldest brother-who is 5 years older than me-I

totally believe is asperger's as well. He couldn't

function if he didn't have the wife he did, who is

very " mothering " towards him. He also fits the

profile, but he's never been diagnosed. He used to

play drums in band, and outside of school, and my

mother even went so far as to cross-stitch a sampler

for him that shows all these drummers lined up behind

each other and one turned the opposite way that reads,

" Marches to the beat of a different drummer. " Hmmmmmm.

Now that we know about asperger's, it really was very

appropriate. My mom doesn't " see " it, but she's also

come from a generation that covered up anyone that was

" different " or there was major denial in the family.

My sister and I somehow " escaped " any of the traits.

However, both of her sons (who were both born after

her daughter), and my sons have had similiar problems.

Her sons were born between 1983 and 1985. And she

faced many similiar problems with her oldest son that

I do with . No one else of my siblings have kids

that had speech delays/problems except my sister and

myself. My 2nd oldest brother's daughter has one that

has had speech delays.

I think my 3rd oldest brother's oldest son may have

been high-functioning as well. There are many traits

that seem to have fit the profile for aspergers. He

was born in 1981. He's never been diagnosed. He just

got married in June of 2004 and has a very prestigiuos

job from having a degree in computer science.

All of my siblings and their kids have been

vaccinated. I know the vaccines have changed since my

oldest brother in 1952, and I just called my mom to

see if my dad was even vaccinated as he was born in

1929, and she didn't think he was-may have had a

diptheria shot.

But, in closing, I just deal with the one I have and

am waiting to see what (my 5 year old) grows up

to have or not have. She had speech delays, and many

think she has ADHD. But we don't know yet.

Melinda

[Guest guest]

--- Theresa Harding <disorderlybehavior@...>

wrote:

> I know that vaccines are not the sole cause of

> ASD's, however, there are studies supporting their

> being a major contributing factor to the drastic

> rise in numbers. If you read Kennedy's letter, he

> also refers to a study done among non-immunized

> children in the US.

The point I was trying to make was that there are

probably millions more people with

aspergers/high-functioning autism before 1990 that

were never diagnosed with any disorder. That being

said, there would be an increase in numbers because

more and more people are diagnosed now because of the

increase of knowledge from back then. It may or may

not have something to do with the vaccines. I don't

know, even though I do have my own thoughts on the

subject. But I really don't know for sure one way or

the other.

My oldest brother was born in 1952. My son was born in

1992. There is a vast amount of knowledge now vs. back

then. Vaccines have changed over the course of the

years, but even if I were to say that it has something

to do with the vaccines, it would would still,in my

opinion,have more to do with more people being

diagnosed vs. back then.

But who knows? Just my 2 cents worth.

Melinda

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 17:31, Theresa Harding wrote:

> I know that vaccines are not the sole cause of ASD's, however, there

> are studies supporting their being a major contributing factor to the

> drastic rise in numbers. If you read Kennedy's letter, he also refers

> to a study done among non-immunized children in the US.

>

> Theresa

** And there was a study released recently that stated that those who

have autistic children also have autistic tendancies themselves and it

is the result of highly specialized brains.

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[Guest guest]

> Did you know that most diagnosed with this actually have Sensory

> Integration Dysfuntion. http://www.sinetwork.org

>

> Marj

>

>

** *nod* That's what my son's turned out to be.

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