Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Roxanna Neely wrote: > It sounds like your sister is much like your father. Same attitude > towards people they perceive as " weak. " It reminds me of a country > song (LOL) seriously - " Standing outside the Fire " by Garth . > It talks about being different and how people perceive this as being > weak - when it really is that we work harder to do even typical > things. Well, something like that. ***AND some people are just so divorced from their feelings that they really have no capability of empathy. They see needing others as weakness, absolutely. I love " Standing Outside the Fire " but my favorite song by Garth (and maybe ever) is The Change. It is my reply to Those People: The Change Garth (Fresh Horses) One hand Reaches out And pulls a lost soul from harm While a thousand more go unspoken for They say what good have you done By saving just this one It's like whispering a prayer In the fury of a storm And I hear them saying you'll never change things And no matter what you do it's still the same thing But it's not the world that I am changing I do this so this world will know That it will not change me This heart Still believes The love and mercy still exist While all the hatred rage and so many say That love is all but pointless in madness such as this It's like trying to stop a fire With the moisture from a kiss And I hear them saying you'll never change things And no matter what you do it's still the same thing But it's not the world that I am changing I do this so this world will know That it will not change me As long as one heart still holds on Then hope is never really gone I hear them saying you'll never change things And no matter what you do it's still the same thing But it's not the world that I am changing I do this so this world we know Never changes me What I do is so This world will know That it will not change me > > > So picture your dad as the pig. <g> He isn't going to sing. Even > though you need him to! It just ain't going to happen. Limit your > exposure to people who are not part of the solution. Even if those > people are family. Find people who can help you and who are > supportive of you. Find them at church if you are so inclined, at > support groups for autism, at special needs programs, organize your > own real life mothers group to meet once per month. **I have found that we have 2 families. One is our Family of Origin, (FOO, and sometimes it is FOOey on us, since we don'tget to pick!) and one is our Family of Choice (FOC). These are people who are warm, caring, supportive and willing to give support (and receive it! Nothing is worse than a one-way friendship). It takes effort to cultivate those FOC relationships. I have a friend who calls it BTB friendships....the kind of friend that you could call to help you bury a body. LOL But I think we have to make that effort. We really, really do. Because we need support so much, based upon our kids. AND we have a lot of empathy and caring to provide for others. > There are ways to find people who can be part of the solution. Then > when you are feeling fragile, you can reach out to people that you > know will give you what you need and not spin your wheels teaching > that damn pig to sing! ***Yes another friend calls this " dating. " LOL! She says it is getting kids together for playdates, or going to coffee when the kids are in school, or heading to the park, that kind of thing. It often feels like we can't do those things, but we still need to! I have a wonderful group of very dear friends, and we get together every month for dinner and prayer. It makes a huge difference in my life. Knowing I have that support makes me feel less alone. Usually. I think there will always be that feeling of " I am the only one going through this " and that is why the Internet is such magic. Groups like this go a long way towards dispelling that feeling. > > Tina livin' in Alphabet Soup with: , 6, AS/HFA , anxiety Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$ " The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with autism who has autistic children, as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Thanks, Roxanna, I must be slower than most people about matters of the heart! Thank you for talking some sense into me. Hopefully this time it will sink in, and I will stop torturing myself over what can't be helped. There is a Huntington Beach support group, and I called one of the organizers today. She spent 1.5 hours with me giving me the scoop on our school district and tactics that might work. I'm grateful to her for the time and care she took with me. She has seen much of this already and also has a CPS referral, so she sort of said, " So what? " The picture does look fairly bleak for HB; yet this district has held out on us and is playing games. One of her daughters got a referral to a non-public therapeutic school, and she recommends it. It is the same school that I interviewed about Sasha. However, she urged me to try to work with the district to find a different SDC placement, with an emphasis on re-introducing Sasha to mainstream as he gains social skills. So we were on the same page about that. Everything you are writing about pigs (that poor maligned animal) seems to be true about certain members of my son's IEP team. It's quite annoying. Anyway, I need to type up a memo for Pete's review outlining our agenda for the next IEP team meeting. However, we cannot hold that meeting until I have toured the SDC classes with the autism specialist in tow. The school has 30 days to respond to my written request, which will be made on April 4. So it looks as though our oft postponed meeting won't occur until early May -- or later. Sigh. Sorry you are blessed with much pork in your family. T. At 07:29 AM 3/29/2005 -0800, you wrote: >It sounds like your sister is much like your father. Same attitude >towards people they perceive as " weak. " It reminds me of a country song >(LOL) seriously - " Standing outside the Fire " by Garth . It talks >about being different and how people perceive this as being weak - when it >really is that we work harder to do even typical things. Well, something >like that. > >At any rate, you have to stop looking to the family for support. All it >is going to do is depress you more! We all wish we had that back up >family support system but some of us don't. A friend once told me it's >like trying to teach a pig to sing - all you do is annoy the >pig. <g> But as you can see, a pig isn't going to sing - no matter how >much you want it to do so!! > >So picture your dad as the pig. <g> He isn't going to sing. Even though >you need him to! It just ain't going to happen. Limit your exposure to >people who are not part of the solution. Even if those people are >family. Find people who can help you and who are supportive of you. Find >them at church if you are so inclined, at support groups for autism, at >special needs programs, organize your own real life mothers group to meet >once per month. There are ways to find people who can be part of the >solution. Then when you are feeling fragile, you can reach out to people >that you know will give you what you need and not spin your wheels >teaching that damn pig to sing! > >PS: we have families who are full of pigs. No singers. So I sure KWYM! > > > > >Roxanna > >Look alive. Here comes a buzzard. >-- Pogo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Tombrello <suso903tomb@...> wrote: Thanks, Roxanna, I must be slower than most people about matters of the heart! Thank you for talking some sense into me. Hopefully this time it will sink in, and I will stop torturing myself over what can't be helped. There is a Huntington Beach support group, and I called one of the organizers today. She spent 1.5 hours with me giving me the scoop on our school district and tactics that might work. I'm grateful to her for the time and care she took with me. She has seen much of this already and also has a CPS referral, so she sort of said, " So what? " The picture does look fairly bleak for HB; yet this district has held out on us and is playing games. One of her daughters got a referral to a non-public therapeutic school, and she recommends it. It is the same school that I interviewed about Sasha. However, she urged me to try to work with the district to find a different SDC placement, with an emphasis on re-introducing Sasha to mainstream as he gains social skills. So we were on the same page about that. Everything you are writing about pigs (that poor maligned animal) seems to be true about certain members of my son's IEP team. It's quite annoying. Anyway, I need to type up a memo for Pete's review outlining our agenda for the next IEP team meeting. However, we cannot hold that meeting until I have toured the SDC classes with the autism specialist in tow. The school has 30 days to respond to my written request, which will be made on April 4. So it looks as though our oft postponed meeting won't occur until early May -- or later. Sigh. Sorry you are blessed with much pork in your family. T. I highly recommend networking! See what valuable information you have already gotten! great! And now you know that your school has a nasty habit of calling CPS. That was especially nasty of them to do. But it does stem from a bureaucratic need to blame everything/one else but themselves for the problem. You see, it can't be their fault that something is going wrong for Sasha. So it must be Sasha's fault and if not his, then yours. slaw.com has a nice article on the blame game which came from an actual study of school psychologist or principals (can't remember which) who were asked questions about problems with kids and what they needed. It was usually always the parents or child at fault. Of course. <g> LOL, yes the poor pig. Well, in my case, the autistic gene doesn't fall far from the tree and I have a family full of " issues " big and small. It took me many many many years to realize I was trying to teach the pig to sing and crying when it didn't work. So it's never obvious at all or easy either. Just hang in there. Roxanna Look alive. Here comes a buzzard. -- Pogo __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Tina, I meant to thank you for this. Profound words ... Thank you for your kind thoughts. T. At 08:49 AM 3/29/2005 -0800, you wrote: >On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Roxanna Neely wrote: > > > It sounds like your sister is much like your father. Same attitude > > towards people they perceive as " weak. " It reminds me of a country > > song (LOL) seriously - " Standing outside the Fire " by Garth . > > It talks about being different and how people perceive this as being > > weak - when it really is that we work harder to do even typical > > things. Well, something like that. >***AND some people are just so divorced from their feelings that they >really have no capability of empathy. They see needing others as >weakness, absolutely. I love " Standing Outside the Fire " but my >favorite song by Garth (and maybe ever) is The Change. It is my reply >to Those People: >The Change >Garth >(Fresh Horses) > >One hand >Reaches out >And pulls a lost soul from harm >While a thousand more go unspoken for >They say what good have you done >By saving just this one >It's like whispering a prayer >In the fury of a storm > >And I hear them saying you'll never change things >And no matter what you do it's still the same thing >But it's not the world that I am changing >I do this so this world will know >That it will not change me > >This heart >Still believes >The love and mercy still exist >While all the hatred rage and so many say >That love is all but pointless in madness such as this >It's like trying to stop a fire >With the moisture from a kiss > >And I hear them saying you'll never change things >And no matter what you do it's still the same thing >But it's not the world that I am changing >I do this so this world will know >That it will not change me > >As long as one heart still holds on >Then hope is never really gone > >I hear them saying you'll never change things >And no matter what you do it's still the same thing >But it's not the world that I am changing >I do this so this world we know >Never changes me > >What I do is so >This world will know >That it will not change me > > > > > > > So picture your dad as the pig. <g> He isn't going to sing. Even > > though you need him to! It just ain't going to happen. Limit your > > exposure to people who are not part of the solution. Even if those > > people are family. Find people who can help you and who are > > supportive of you. Find them at church if you are so inclined, at > > support groups for autism, at special needs programs, organize your > > own real life mothers group to meet once per month. > >**I have found that we have 2 families. One is our Family of Origin, >(FOO, and sometimes it is FOOey on us, since we don'tget to pick!) and >one is our Family of Choice (FOC). These are people who are warm, >caring, supportive and willing to give support (and receive it! >Nothing is worse than a one-way friendship). It takes effort to >cultivate those FOC relationships. I have a friend who calls it BTB >friendships....the kind of friend that you could call to help you bury >a body. LOL But I think we have to make that effort. We really, >really do. Because we need support so much, based upon our kids. AND >we have a lot of empathy and caring to provide for others. > > > There are ways to find people who can be part of the solution. Then > > when you are feeling fragile, you can reach out to people that you > > know will give you what you need and not spin your wheels teaching > > that damn pig to sing! > >***Yes another friend calls this " dating. " LOL! She says it is >getting kids together for playdates, or going to coffee when the kids >are in school, or heading to the park, that kind of thing. It often >feels like we can't do those things, but we still need to! I have a >wonderful group of very dear friends, and we get together every month >for dinner and prayer. It makes a huge difference in my life. Knowing >I have that support makes me feel less alone. Usually. I think there >will always be that feeling of " I am the only one going through this " >and that is why the Internet is such magic. Groups like this go a long >way towards dispelling that feeling. > > > > > > >Tina >livin' in Alphabet Soup with: >, 6, AS/HFA , anxiety >Jordan 10, GAD, BP, OCD >Jasmine as NT as it gets, for now >dw to Jon- AS but fixated on computers= $$ > > " The three most important voices: the voice of your heart, the voice of >your gut and the voice of your child. " -Heidi Lissauer -adult with >autism who has autistic children, as well > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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