Re: re to Liz and question on negative blood types

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In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:19:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jewel929@... writes:

Ingrid,

maybe we have just found a reason for AS huh? anyone else with us?

no. My dd has to have this shot and has two normal kids. I didn't have

this shot and have two boys with HFA.

Roxanna ô¿ö

Autism Happens

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In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jewel929@... writes:

When my ds was diagnosed at Childrens Hospital, Pittsburgh, they gave me a

packet of information on Aspergers, and you are right the gene for AS comes

from the fathers side. Not laying blame because it is nobodys fault, but just

thought you would like to know. I believe it because my brother-in-law I

can bet on the fact he has AS only 30 years ago when he was young it probably

wasn't dx yet.

It really doesn't come from the father's side. The autism in my family

comes from my side of the family and not my dh's.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

[Guest guest]

>

> > I just found this group in a moment of desperation. Nobody's

home to

> > call to talk to and who else would understand? I never watch

Dr.

> > Phil, but turned it on today and he's doing a show on

Aspergers. The

> > kid they're profiling sounds just like my son and the things the

> > parents are saying (like being afraid of their son) sounds like

me.

> > I've had to get away from the television 'cause it's just too

hard

> > to watch it.

> >

> > My 13 year old was just diagnosed with Asperger's in December.

All

> > these years before, he's gone through diagnoses of bipolar, OCD,

> > Attachment disorder, one doctor thought he was a sociopath! So

he's

> > been in EBD special ed all these years. He's been hospitalized

a

> > couple of times because of his outbursts and nobody has thought

of

> > Asperger's... Until now.

> >

> > The reason he was even tested for Asperger's is because my 2

year

> > old was just diagnosed with Autism in August. So I've got two

kids

> > who I worry may never have " normal " lives and I'm so scared

about

> > that. My 9-year-old daughter is severely ADHD.

> >

> > I hope I don't sound like I'm whining. I just need someone who

> > understands. I feel like I've somehow screwed up my kids and I

> > don't know how that's possible. I want them to grow up and be

happy

> > and successful (whatever that definition is for them).

> >

> > Long introduction, I know. Sorry about that. I just didn't

know

> > where else to turn.

> >

> > -Jenn in Minnesota

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Same here.

( ) Re: re to Liz and question on negative blood types

>

> > I just found this group in a moment of desperation. Nobody's

home to

> > call to talk to and who else would understand? I never watch

Dr.

> > Phil, but turned it on today and he's doing a show on

Aspergers. The

> > kid they're profiling sounds just like my son and the things the

> > parents are saying (like being afraid of their son) sounds like

me.

> > I've had to get away from the television 'cause it's just too

hard

> > to watch it.

> >

> > My 13 year old was just diagnosed with Asperger's in December.

All

> > these years before, he's gone through diagnoses of bipolar, OCD,

> > Attachment disorder, one doctor thought he was a sociopath! So

he's

> > been in EBD special ed all these years. He's been hospitalized

a

> > couple of times because of his outbursts and nobody has thought

of

> > Asperger's... Until now.

> >

> > The reason he was even tested for Asperger's is because my 2

year

> > old was just diagnosed with Autism in August. So I've got two

kids

> > who I worry may never have " normal " lives and I'm so scared

about

> > that. My 9-year-old daughter is severely ADHD.

> >

> > I hope I don't sound like I'm whining. I just need someone who

> > understands. I feel like I've somehow screwed up my kids and I

> > don't know how that's possible. I want them to grow up and be

happy

> > and successful (whatever that definition is for them).

> >

> > Long introduction, I know. Sorry about that. I just didn't

know

> > where else to turn.

> >

> > -Jenn in Minnesota

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ingrid,

maybe we have just found a reason for AS huh? anyone else with us?

( ) Re: re to Liz and question on negative blood types

>

> > I just found this group in a moment of desperation. Nobody's

home to

> > call to talk to and who else would understand? I never watch

Dr.

> > Phil, but turned it on today and he's doing a show on

Aspergers. The

> > kid they're profiling sounds just like my son and the things the

> > parents are saying (like being afraid of their son) sounds like

me.

> > I've had to get away from the television 'cause it's just too

hard

> > to watch it.

> >

> > My 13 year old was just diagnosed with Asperger's in December.

All

> > these years before, he's gone through diagnoses of bipolar, OCD,

> > Attachment disorder, one doctor thought he was a sociopath! So

he's

> > been in EBD special ed all these years. He's been hospitalized

a

> > couple of times because of his outbursts and nobody has thought

of

> > Asperger's... Until now.

> >

> > The reason he was even tested for Asperger's is because my 2

year

> > old was just diagnosed with Autism in August. So I've got two

kids

> > who I worry may never have " normal " lives and I'm so scared

about

> > that. My 9-year-old daughter is severely ADHD.

> >

> > I hope I don't sound like I'm whining. I just need someone who

> > understands. I feel like I've somehow screwed up my kids and I

> > don't know how that's possible. I want them to grow up and be

happy

> > and successful (whatever that definition is for them).

> >

> > Long introduction, I know. Sorry about that. I just didn't

know

> > where else to turn.

> >

> > -Jenn in Minnesota

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If it is related to genes, I would think it could come from either mother,

father or both. In my family it is my father's side. My father has traits

(strong ones), and his first cousin was severely affected by autism-like

symptoms (back then they didn't really know what it was). My father's first

cousin

(not the one mentioned above) has a son diagnosed classic Asperger's, and my

two sons are on the spectrum. Pam

[Guest guest]

What study has shown that aspergers has come from either side definitively

?? Can you give me a link?

-- Re: ( ) re to Liz and question on negative blood

types

In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jewel929@... writes:

When my ds was diagnosed at Childrens Hospital, Pittsburgh, they gave me a

packet of information on Aspergers, and you are right the gene for AS comes

from the fathers side. Not laying blame because it is nobodys fault, but

just

thought you would like to know. I believe it because my brother-in-law I

can bet on the fact he has AS only 30 years ago when he was young it

probably

wasn't dx yet.

It really doesn't come from the father's side. The autism in my family

comes from my side of the family and not my dh's.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

[Guest guest]

-

Just so you know, there is NO proof that any autism spectrum disorder is

genetic. If you look at how the numbers have gone up in the last 15 years, it

seems clear there is an environmental, as well as genetic component. For ANY

doctor to tell you it is genetic should clearly do more research.

JMHO..

Cathie

[Guest guest]

Sorry I can't. When my ds was diagnosed at Childrens Hospital in Pittsburgh

they gave me a pamplet that day and in the paperwork it said they felt AS comes

from a gene from the father. I just met in my case it applied because my

brother in law has so many of the same traits as my son only 30 years ago it

wasn't dx... Please don't think I'm blaming the dh or anything I just was

stating what the pamplet from childrens said, sorry if you took it the wrong way

it was not intended for.

Re: ( ) re to Liz and question on negative blood

types

In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jewel929@... writes:

When my ds was diagnosed at Childrens Hospital, Pittsburgh, they gave me a

packet of information on Aspergers, and you are right the gene for AS comes

from the fathers side. Not laying blame because it is nobodys fault, but

just

thought you would like to know. I believe it because my brother-in-law I

can bet on the fact he has AS only 30 years ago when he was young it

probably

wasn't dx yet.

It really doesn't come from the father's side. The autism in my family

comes from my side of the family and not my dh's.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

[Guest guest]

Just a question, if both parents have a diagnosis of AS. could they have a

child without a DX of aspergers?

kneeleee@... wrote:

In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jewel929@... writes:

When my ds was diagnosed at Childrens Hospital, Pittsburgh, they gave me a

packet of information on Aspergers, and you are right the gene for AS comes

from the fathers side. Not laying blame because it is nobodys fault, but just

thought you would like to know. I believe it because my brother-in-law I

can bet on the fact he has AS only 30 years ago when he was young it probably

wasn't dx yet.

It really doesn't come from the father's side. The autism in my family

comes from my side of the family and not my dh's.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

[Guest guest]

Dan Olmstead has been writing a whole series of articles about Autism for

the Washington Times. Some of the more interesting are those that discuss his

findings while searching the Amish for autism. He is having a hard time

finding ANY Amish children who have been diagnosed with Autism. If it is 1 in

166, it should be the same for the Amish right? The difference is, they don't

vaccinate.

Cathie

[Guest guest]

thanks for the information Cathie! I just posed the question about the shot

because I met another mom of an AS child and thought it weird that she had the

rhogam shot as I did and now you are about number 5 to say the same.. Wow!

Seems kind of weird huh?

Juli

Re: ( ) Re: re to Liz and question on negative blood

types

I also had the Rhogam shot while pregnant with my son. Have you read

Evidence of Harm. Everyone with an autistic child should. The Rhogam shot

we were

all given was chocked FULL of Thimerasol, a mercury perservative. Some

children cannot excrete the mercury and it hangs out in their brains causing

all

kinds of problems.

Get the book, Evidence of Harm By, Kirby.

Cathie

[Guest guest]

Cathie,

Please read my other post! This info was just in a packet from Childrens

Hospital I was given.... and I said it seemed to apply in my situation...

Sorry if you took it any other way...

Re: ( ) re to Liz and question on negative blood types

-

Just so you know, there is NO proof that any autism spectrum disorder is

genetic. If you look at how the numbers have gone up in the last 15 years,

it

seems clear there is an environmental, as well as genetic component. For ANY

doctor to tell you it is genetic should clearly do more research.

JMHO..

Cathie

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose, in answer to your question, YES. As a genetic associate

professor once revealed to me: " the only sure thing in genetics is

that NOTHING is for sure. " There are 46 chromosomes (generally) with

strands upon strands of DNA material and billions of information on

each strand. Each parent puts forth their unique portion of material

and some dominates the other parent's material, while other components

may or may not be - visibly - expressed. I would estimate that it

would be much more likely that a child who is born to 2 parents that

express an ASD demonstrates symptoms, but it does not necessarily

follow that this is the true outcome. That child can be NT, but that

child may grow up and with his combination of genes (and his spouse's)

AND environmental factors or triggers may combine to produce a child

with an ASD - or NOT. Like, Roxanna, I personally would like to better

learn the role genetics has to play. What a confusing, but interesting

world we live in! - Velvet

>

> Just a question, if both parents have a diagnosis of AS. could

they have a child without a DX of

aspergers?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherger,

what is a Rhogam shot, and why would a pregnant woman or any woman need to get

that shot?

Sherger22@... wrote:

I also had the Rhogam shot while pregnant with my son. Have you read

Evidence of Harm. Everyone with an autistic child should. The Rhogam shot we

were

all given was chocked FULL of Thimerasol, a mercury perservative. Some

children cannot excrete the mercury and it hangs out in their brains causing

all

kinds of problems.

Get the book, Evidence of Harm By, Kirby.

Cathie

[Guest guest]

That is another puzzle which is hard to find out about genes/chromosomes, sounds

like it could skip a generation? There are so many things to take into

consideration when trying to figure out AS. first there are the concerns with

shots, " MMR " , then genes, now some talk about Rhogan shot, everyone gets a

sonogram, I wounder if they did a study in a " 3rd world country " where people

are not exposed to as much as we are, (shots, mercury) if they have concerns

with aspergers there? If so, what is the percentage? - Rose Just a thought?

Velvet <johnvel@...> wrote: Hi Rose, in answer to your question, YES. As a

genetic associate

professor once revealed to me: " the only sure thing in genetics is

that NOTHING is for sure. " There are 46 chromosomes (generally) with

strands upon strands of DNA material and billions of information on

each strand. Each parent puts forth their unique portion of material

and some dominates the other parent's material, while other components

may or may not be - visibly - expressed. I would estimate that it

would be much more likely that a child who is born to 2 parents that

express an ASD demonstrates symptoms, but it does not necessarily

follow that this is the true outcome. That child can be NT, but that

child may grow up and with his combination of genes (and his spouse's)

AND environmental factors or triggers may combine to produce a child

with an ASD - or NOT. Like, Roxanna, I personally would like to better

learn the role genetics has to play. What a confusing, but interesting

world we live in! - Velvet

>

> Just a question, if both parents have a diagnosis of AS. could

they have a child without a DX of

aspergers?

[Guest guest]

That would be an interesting study:)

I have AB negative blood, so I have had the Rhogam shot but only for

my last two boys. All 3 are Aspies, and my oldest is a 'book' Aspie.

But in my opinion, we still have so much to learn. I am involved in a

study of autism (genetic study) and I have a feeling some day (I hope)

they will find a genetic link, but also the fact that there is an

environmental issue, and you are more suseptable (OK, I know I did a

spelling error but I am tired!!) Anyway, It won't be one easy answer.

I know it will be a magnitude of things that will show how and why we

are Aspies (at least I hope we find out sometime, at least in my life

time!)

Would I want to cure myself? Not really. But just curious as

to 'what's up':)

Smiles!

>

> That is another puzzle which is hard to find out about

genes/chromosomes, sounds like it could skip a generation? There are

so many things to take into consideration when trying to figure out

AS. first there are the concerns with shots, " MMR " , then genes, now

some talk about Rhogan shot, everyone gets a sonogram, I wounder if

they did a study in a " 3rd world country " where people are not

exposed to as much as we are, (shots, mercury) if they have concerns

with aspergers there? If so, what is the percentage? - Rose Just a

thought?

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/18/2006 4:02:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,

beachbodytan2002@... writes:

Just a question, if both parents have a diagnosis of AS. could they have

a child without a DX of aspergers?

I think it would be possible.

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

[Guest guest]

My daughter was brestfed until 3 yrs. old. Also no vaccinations and very

healthy. She had to be vaccinated before starting Kindergarten (5+yrs.). The

only

unusual thing for her to that point was that she could read fluently before 3

yrs. old (she taught herself), she knew a lot about world history and biology,

she was talking and debating about politics as an adult sometimes, even

though she was not very social she was happy.

Her AS started to exteriorize and develop very slowly in 1st grade, the next

years were so difficult and painful, specially because we did not know what

was going on w / her.

Teachers did not understand how to treat her and she went into deep

depression. I think that vaccinations could have triggered what already existed.

She is

14 now and learning to manage her issues.

Ana

[Guest guest]

I have A+ blood, so I was never given the Rhogam shot. But you guys are

giving me some great ideas for a project in my Psyc class!! LOL

Mommy to - 9 - Aspie

- 8 - ADHD

That would be an interesting study:)

I have AB negative blood, so I have had the Rhogam shot but only for

my last two boys. All 3 are Aspies, and my oldest is a 'book' Aspie.

But in my opinion, we still have so much to learn. I am involved in a

study of autism (genetic study) and I have a feeling some day (I hope)

they will find a genetic link, but also the fact that there is an

environmental issue, and you are more suseptable (OK, I know I did a

spelling error but I am tired!!) Anyway, It won't be one easy answer.

I know it will be a magnitude of things that will show how and why we

are Aspies (at least I hope we find out sometime, at least in my life

time!)

Would I want to cure myself? Not really. But just curious as

to 'what's up':)

Smiles!

[Guest guest]

Most don't vaccinate, and they also eat a lot better than mainstream

America. Their children are breastfed more often. Their births are

much less traumatic than ours, and their C-Section rates and

breastfeeding failure rates are less. Their children are not raised

avoiding germs, thus their immune systems are given a better chance

to fight off diseases.

Their genetics have not mixed that much with the outside world

(unless they leave to enter the outside world in which case they are

no longer considered Amish and probably follow mainstream America),

so if there is a predisposing gene, they are not getting it.

Their population deserves to be studied, as does my completely non-

vaccinated daughter. I am hopeful the health of children like my

daughter will be compared to the health of children who have been

vaccinated (like my older two sons).

At the same time I say this, though, I can tell you that my daughter

also had a lot of non-mainstream stuff happen to her. She was

breastfed until she was almost 3, and her diet is composed of mostly

organic and grassfed meats and organic produce. We do not use a lot

of chemicals in the house. In addition, her cord was allowed to pump

all the blood from my placenta into her body before it was cut. She

was also homebirthed without drugs unlike my two epidural hospital

birthed sons.

So, if she is healthier than the average, the question will be

difficult to answer as to why.

>

> Dan Olmstead has been writing a whole series of articles about

Autism for

> the Washington Times. Some of the more interesting are those that

discuss his

> findings while searching the Amish for autism. He is having a

hard time

> finding ANY Amish children who have been diagnosed with Autism.

If it is 1 in

> 166, it should be the same for the Amish right? The difference

is, they don't

> vaccinate.

>

> Cathie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck with your " project in Psyc class " LOL

** <inspiringmind@...> wrote: I have A+ blood, so I was never given

the Rhogam shot. But you guys are

giving me some great ideas for a project in my Psyc class!! LOL

Mommy to - 9 - Aspie

- 8 - ADHD

That would be an interesting study:)

I have AB negative blood, so I have had the Rhogam shot but only for

my last two boys. All 3 are Aspies, and my oldest is a 'book' Aspie.

But in my opinion, we still have so much to learn. I am involved in a

study of autism (genetic study) and I have a feeling some day (I hope)

they will find a genetic link, but also the fact that there is an

environmental issue, and you are more suseptable (OK, I know I did a

spelling error but I am tired!!) Anyway, It won't be one easy answer.

I know it will be a magnitude of things that will show how and why we

are Aspies (at least I hope we find out sometime, at least in my life

time!)

Would I want to cure myself? Not really. But just curious as

to 'what's up':)

Smiles!

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding? My Amish neighbors ate a diet very high in fat

and cholesterol. Their genes, while they have not mixed with the

outside world, tend to be inbred, with second cousins marrying

second cousins.

Liz

On Jan 20, 2006, at 6:09 AM, LJL wrote:

> Most don't vaccinate, and they also eat a lot better than mainstream

> America. Their children are breastfed more often. Their births are

> much less traumatic than ours, and their C-Section rates and

> breastfeeding failure rates are less. Their children are not raised

> avoiding germs, thus their immune systems are given a better chance

> to fight off diseases.

> <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

My two brothers that lived past infancy both had AS/HFA traits. My

mother did not have the rhogam shot because my father's blood type was

not accurately identified. He is what I guess is called an

intermittant secretor? Anyway he is classed now as rh positive but my

sister and I were born first, both with rh positive blood. My mother

was in and out of the hospital during her pregnancy with me due to

severe nausia. She was also ill during her second pregnancy. When

she had the third pregnancy, my brother was born with severe problems

(seizures, heart attacks) and was resuscitated multiple times before

parents/doctors decided not to resuscitate next event. He lived only

one day. After that, the doctors ran some tests and found that my

father was rh positive and it was too late for rhogam because that is

used as a preventative to development of antibodies. Next pregnancy,

doctors monitored closely and as soon as my brother was born (rh

positive) a full blood flushing/transfusion was done to keep him

alive. My youngest brother has rh negative blood (we think, remember

what happened with my father's type.) Anyway, I have rh positive and

husband has rh negative, but I did have some anomolies during my

pregnancies which the OBgyn thought indicated some blood factor

incompatibility issue but he didn't explain what he suspected. My

children come by their AS traits honestly from either nurture (by

parents with AS traits) or nature (genes from parent with AS traits)

It is possible that someday everyone who is currently lumped together

under the AS or HFA umbrella will be divided into different categories

(just like they keep dividing off SIDS into other diagnosis) and

essentially AS and HFA are diagnosed purely on symptoms so it is

possible there are multiple conditions or causes which result in

similar symptoms.

[Guest guest]

Liz, we consider a diet high in good fats very healthy. Our family

eats grassfed meats that we buy directly from Amish farmers.

And yes, their inbreeding would be why a autism gene would not get into

their community.

>

> Are you kidding? My Amish neighbors ate a diet very high in fat

> and cholesterol. Their genes, while they have not mixed with the

> outside world, tend to be inbred, with second cousins marrying

> second cousins.

>

> Liz