Re: few questions for or others/ the rest

[Guest guest]

>>>>The good is almost no tantrums and better sleep patterns,

regularity of bowels and no constipations. The not so good, some

aggitation and anxiety, these were there before enzymes. My question

is what should I add next.

, how are things today? Basicall I would suggest not adding

anything else for a bit and give the adjustment to enzymes a little

more time. Good along with the negatives are signs of adjustments.

And it sounds like the good way out does the negatives.

>>>We have tried two Edson salt baths in the last week with awful

results. I used 1 cup one time and 1/2 cup the next time. She was

hyper, irritable and aggitated. This has happened every time we have

used Epson salt.

Okay, go even lower with the salts. This generally indicates detoxing

too fast. One person (was it you W?) said they went as low as a

few tablespoons of salts and worked up.

>>>>I purchased some probiotics at the HFS from a company called

Ethical Nutrients. They contain acidophilus and bifidobacteria 6

million each.

I would add a probiotic next before more things that would create die-

off. You need some good bacteria in there to compete and take up the

space any yeast/bad bacteria leave. I haven't heard of Ethical

Nutrients brand but since you already have it, worth going ahead and

trying it.

>>> Also, how should I give the yeast aide and probiotics, after

enzymes and a meal or before?

What does the label of the yeast aid say? I would give enzymes at the

beginning of a meal and probiotics at the end. Then give the Yeast

aid and No-Fenol (or Candidase or Candex whatever you use) between

meals. If the yeast aid label says to give it with meals, then do

that. But usually yeast kill items are between meals. Using it with a

yeast-targeting enzyme product should increase effectiveness. And if

there is lots of die-off consider reducing the doses, or giving extra

proteases with it.

Just an aside, since your child is having so much trouble with the

epsom salts, they might have a large toxin load alreadys. Any yeast

control might be more pronounced because of this.

The test results sound very good, with little indication of leaky

gut. What was the 'viral activity' that showed up?

>>>, what do you think of Zoloft and will enzymes affect it in

any way?

I gave my personal view on the med previously, and enzymes wouldn't

interfer with the med. If anything, the enzymes would make the med

more absorbable just as they tend to increase absorption of

supplements and foods. However, your child's test didn't indicate

poor absorption in anyway.

Actually, I would try the epsom salts more first before the Zoloft.

If your child has a heavy toxin load, that could cause the anxiety

and OCD right there. If the diet contains many artificial additives

and preservatives, reduce that as much as possible. Here is the

Feingold site www.feingold.org. You can look under the header

labelled Research. They list clinical studies by symptom and food

additive. If you look under OCD or anxiety, you can see the

ingredients that are shown to cause those symptoms as starters.

If your child reacts to corn syrup, but not other corn products,

consider sulfite sensitivity.

>>>> I think right now the weather is also playing a role in her

> behavior. It has been a miserable hot, humid and unstable summer,

> one like we haven't had in several years.

Hot weather sure changes influences a few people in our house!

>>> Also what about EFA's? We used Efalex (not sure of the spelling)

a few years ago and I think it helped.

EFAs might help. You can put it on the list after trying the other

things.

>>>>I give the No-phenol if I think there is a problem food. I am

only giving one capsule of each enzyme. Will increasing that help?

Increasing might help. You can try it for a week and see if there is

a difference. I would also give the No-Fenol between meals with the

Yeast aid when you get to that point.

Is there a reason magnesium isn't on your list? That is very helpful

for anxiety and calming. It is also very often deficient in

neurological conditions.

How is your child's sleeping? I always look at that. Do they go to

sleep easily and sleep soundly? Or is there resistance to sleep,

night waking, or fidgeting during the night?

So...as a recap, if it were me, I would do:

1. continue with enzymes (so far, so good)

2. try Epsom salts again at lower doses. Continue this to help with

detox.

3. add in probiotics that you already have

4. try magnesium to help with calming

5. start reducing or get rid of artificial additives as you continue

the above

6. try increasing enzymes

7. add No-Fenol and yeast aid starting slowly

8. efas if you still think they are needed

9. consider Zoloft if you still think the anxiety and OCD is serious

enough to warrant it

How's that look?! Please post if any of this give any results.

best,

.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it was my son who had bad reactions to ES baths. His sister was

fine--great-- helped reduce sensory problems fairly quickly. For

him, we had to drop down to about one tablespoon per bath, and only

use them about once a week or so, and then we worked up slowly from

there. I kept at the tablespoon per bath, but worked up on the

frequency of baths until he could have one every day, and THEN I

worked up the amount of epsom salts.

Ethan was very sensitive to a lot of different things, not just ES

baths. Using ojibwa tea of life did seem to help reduce this

problem, too.

W

> > Okay, go even lower with the salts. This generally indicates

detoxing

> too fast. One person (was it you W?) said they went as low as a

> few tablespoons of salts and worked up.

>

[Guest guest]

was the same way with the epsom salts. My husband was

literally ready to take him to the ER the first time we tried them.

He was sweating, extraordinarily hyper, laughing like a hyena (son,

not husband, lol). We've worked our way up to about a half cup per

bath. It's taken over a year to get there.

> Yes, it was my son who had bad reactions to ES baths.

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you so much for your response. You said kind of what I felt. I think in

the past my biggest mistake has been adding too many things too quickly.

I tried the yeast control the other morning and she was agitated at school, so

I'm going to hold off for a little while on that.

I have to tell you we are so excited about what we are seeing since starting the

enzymes. I have a happy child after having a miserable girl off and on all

summer. The other good news is have an extremely regular child, something I

don't think we've ever had. You can set the clock by when she is going to have a

bowel movement and the constipation is gone. My husband and I are noticing

little things, small differences in language and how she is using it. If we can

get the vocal stims under control, I think things will get even better.

I am going to go ahead and give a very low dose of Zoloft a try, 25mg once a

day. I've made this decision because of all the OCD history we have. I think

even if we didn't have autism, she would have had OCD. A low dose of Luvox has

been such a help to my husband and I've talked to a couple of other mothers

whose autistic kids are really being helped by a low dose of Zoloft.

What type of magnesium should I buy? I think we tried it once before and I can't

remember what happened. My biggest problem is that I have had no direction and

not a lot given from doctors. Our DAN said something about enzymes, but there

was no information about how to properly use them and that makes a big

difference.

As for sleep, that has always been a challenge. We started using melatonin

several years ago and that helped a great deal. We will still have occasional

off night when she gets up and can't go back to sleep. Last night was one of

those, but we all have really rotten summer colds right now and I think that was

what got her up.

Thanks for the information about Epson Salts. Her DAN physician also recommended

them, but as I said, we stopped because she had such a bad reaction. I'll try

reducing the amount and going slowly.

I am giving No-phenol a couple of times a day if I think there is an offending

food at a meal or snack. I am also using Pep and Zyme Prime faithfully for meals

and snacks. I started the probiotic day before yesterday and she seems to be

tolerating it.

We have done IV Glutathione for about a year, but I think I am going to take a

month off because the last few times I wasn't sure we saw anything positive. I

want to give her system some cooling down and healing time using the enzymes.

I am so thankful that I found your book and that I restarted enzymes, and I am

grateful for this group because I am learning so much. I feel like finally I'm

headed in the right direction.

Oh one more thing, I think some of her frustration and agitation at school may

be because she is more aware of things and more out of her comfort zone. Do you

think that is possible? Her sound sensitivity is much improved since starting

enzymes.

Ok I'm finished now. Thanks again.

Re: few questions for or others/ the rest

>>>>The good is almost no tantrums and better sleep patterns,

regularity of bowels and no constipations. The not so good, some

aggitation and anxiety, these were there before enzymes. My question

is what should I add next.

, how are things today? Basicall I would suggest not adding

anything else for a bit and give the adjustment to enzymes a little

more time. Good along with the negatives are signs of adjustments.

And it sounds like the good way out does the negatives.

>>>We have tried two Edson salt baths in the last week with awful

results. I used 1 cup one time and 1/2 cup the next time. She was

hyper, irritable and aggitated. This has happened every time we have

used Epson salt.

Okay, go even lower with the salts. This generally indicates detoxing

too fast. One person (was it you W?) said they went as low as a

few tablespoons of salts and worked up.

>>>>I purchased some probiotics at the HFS from a company called

Ethical Nutrients. They contain acidophilus and bifidobacteria 6

million each.

I would add a probiotic next before more things that would create die-

off. You need some good bacteria in there to compete and take up the

space any yeast/bad bacteria leave. I haven't heard of Ethical

Nutrients brand but since you already have it, worth going ahead and

trying it.

>>> Also, how should I give the yeast aide and probiotics, after

enzymes and a meal or before?

What does the label of the yeast aid say? I would give enzymes at the

beginning of a meal and probiotics at the end. Then give the Yeast

aid and No-Fenol (or Candidase or Candex whatever you use) between

meals. If the yeast aid label says to give it with meals, then do

that. But usually yeast kill items are between meals. Using it with a

yeast-targeting enzyme product should increase effectiveness. And if

there is lots of die-off consider reducing the doses, or giving extra

proteases with it.

Just an aside, since your child is having so much trouble with the

epsom salts, they might have a large toxin load alreadys. Any yeast

control might be more pronounced because of this.

The test results sound very good, with little indication of leaky

gut. What was the 'viral activity' that showed up?

>>>, what do you think of Zoloft and will enzymes affect it in

any way?

I gave my personal view on the med previously, and enzymes wouldn't

interfer with the med. If anything, the enzymes would make the med

more absorbable just as they tend to increase absorption of

supplements and foods. However, your child's test didn't indicate

poor absorption in anyway.

Actually, I would try the epsom salts more first before the Zoloft.

If your child has a heavy toxin load, that could cause the anxiety

and OCD right there. If the diet contains many artificial additives

and preservatives, reduce that as much as possible. Here is the

Feingold site www.feingold.org. You can look under the header

labelled Research. They list clinical studies by symptom and food

additive. If you look under OCD or anxiety, you can see the

ingredients that are shown to cause those symptoms as starters.

If your child reacts to corn syrup, but not other corn products,

consider sulfite sensitivity.

>>>> I think right now the weather is also playing a role in her

> behavior. It has been a miserable hot, humid and unstable summer,

> one like we haven't had in several years.

Hot weather sure changes influences a few people in our house!

>>> Also what about EFA's? We used Efalex (not sure of the spelling)

a few years ago and I think it helped.

EFAs might help. You can put it on the list after trying the other

things.

>>>>I give the No-phenol if I think there is a problem food. I am

only giving one capsule of each enzyme. Will increasing that help?

Increasing might help. You can try it for a week and see if there is

a difference. I would also give the No-Fenol between meals with the

Yeast aid when you get to that point.

Is there a reason magnesium isn't on your list? That is very helpful

for anxiety and calming. It is also very often deficient in

neurological conditions.

How is your child's sleeping? I always look at that. Do they go to

sleep easily and sleep soundly? Or is there resistance to sleep,

night waking, or fidgeting during the night?

So...as a recap, if it were me, I would do:

1. continue with enzymes (so far, so good)

2. try Epsom salts again at lower doses. Continue this to help with

detox.

3. add in probiotics that you already have

4. try magnesium to help with calming

5. start reducing or get rid of artificial additives as you continue

the above

6. try increasing enzymes

7. add No-Fenol and yeast aid starting slowly

8. efas if you still think they are needed

9. consider Zoloft if you still think the anxiety and OCD is serious

enough to warrant it

How's that look?! Please post if any of this give any results.

best,

.