new need help

[Guest guest]

I have a two and a half year old son who has autism. We did stool

test in Great Smokies.

He has all bad bacteria's 4+ and no good bacteria. I am new to this

so I would like some advice. He is 25 lbs.

I want to know how much oil of oregano I can give and how long I can

give?

What probiotics is good to get lactobacillus and bifidobacterium

bacteria?

What are the other things I can do to kill bad bacteria?

Has any one tried uva ursi for small kids his age?

Is there any test to see he has viral issues?

He is not talking yet can I do any thing to improve?

Thank you,

Chan

[Guest guest]

Chan, I second what wrote -- in the long run it's best to

burrow in and start researching because every child is so different

there is no one, secret bullet that fixes everything. That said, to

your question:

> He is not talking yet can I do any thing to improve?

Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs) are generally recommended to improve

speech. I think studies have shown a ratio of Omega 3 and 6 is

best. We use Nordic Naturals Pro-EFA. My son's first words came

back after we introduced BrainChild's Spectrum II vitamins and

minerals, then we saw another huge jump after B12 injections. Now

I'm seeing steady gains after adding BrainChild's LiquiZinc.

But it sounds to me like you need to concentrate first on healing the

gut/addressing the bacterial issues, then addressing other pressing

issues in order of their importance, like language.

Some kids respond well to the probiotic Culturelle, we use Metagenics

Ultra Flora Plus. It hides very well in a thimble full of juice.

Have you considered enzymes for gut health and healing?

www.enzymestuff.com and DeFelice's book Enzymes for Autism and

Other Neurological Conditions.

Good luck and keep posting how it's going.

[Guest guest]

So thankful to read someone else ask questions about the limited eaters! I

am having the same problem with 8 year old son. I started giving him

Peptizyde along with restricting dairy to about 4 oz. a day, just enough to

keep him

eating his peanut butter and simply fruit crackers, no yogurt, or cheese, or

ice cream, or Carnation Instant breakfast any more. That left only the

PB & fruit crackers, a couple of fruits and Mcs french fries.

He seemed to tolerate the Peptizyde, but even 1/4 capsule of APF Zymeprime

caused the same stomach ache you described, about an hour or even two, later.

It seemed really painful but within about 15 minutes, (just as I was getting

frantic) seemed to subside.

I read 's response and had assumed that was what was happening, the

healing part, but when you are worried about yeast, gluten, caesin, etc. what

have you all done? Just taken the few foods they will eat away, and at some

point they add foods, or will they starve, and continue to lose weight?

Any one with any idea's or success stories with adding nutritious foods

would be so appreciated.

One more thing, since I started the Peptizyde and the reduction, he seems

not to care about milk anymore at all. For the last 2 days he has left the 4

oz. of milk I give him with the crackers. I don't know wether to be happy

about that, or scared that we lost another food. He has managed to " try " some

tiny bites of lettuce, carrot, corn, fresh uncooked green beans over the past

few days. These are foods he hasn't had in his mouth since before he quit

eating at 15 mos. I should be thrilled, but he is not enjoying them, I guess I

have to be more patient?

Kim

[Guest guest]

Hi, welcome! First of all, most children who severely self limit

their diet do it either to avoid the foods which hurt them OR--more

often I believe-- because they're addicted to them. Since your son

seems to be addicted to gluten rich foods and not as much to casein,

I would expect he has a bigger problem with gluten. As hard as it is

to take away what he likes when he likes so little--a little bit of

heroin isn't going to help you kick the habit. How did he know the

difference with the gluten free cupcakes? Sometimes you can't

replace their favorite foods, the subs just don't match up. My so

didn't eat much when we first started the diet and he also lost

weight which he didn't need! I found a few high calorie things he'd

eat like cashew macadamia nut butter and he just ate that all the

time for a while. I do think he'll come around to trying things

when he's hungry enough. Odd as it may sound, the fact that he's

still eating some gluten may be the REASON he won't eat anything

else.

In the meantime I highly recommend enzymes and it may help/solve all

the problems you list here. So go ahead and try them just do it one

at a time and start with a low dose and work up.

> Hello to all:

>

> I am new to this group and the whole diet issue. someone told me

maybe

> I could get help here. We just started the gfcf diet 14 days ago I

> started with taking casein first. Wich all that ment was taking

his

> pizza away. So now that left only 4 foods that he eats

> (oreos,cupcakes,cocoa puffs, and hotdogs) so next I choose cocoa

puffs,

> he ate 2 bowls a day. I tried to make him gf cupcakes. He will not

eat

> them. He will not try any new foods I have tried and tried. My

point:

> is it better for him to start eating more cookies and cake since I

took

> away his main food (pizza)? Or do I take it all away? I do not see

any

> difference since stoping casein. For the good or bad. All I see is

that

> he is loosing wieght and is very hungry. Will enzymes help? I

really

> envy and applaud all of you that do this diet so well. My son is 7

yrs

> old ASD. Thank you so much

[Guest guest]

This group is for those using enzymes to help breakdown food and more. This

group is very good and loads of information some are on the GFCF diet and will

probablyhelp you also. There is however a group soley devoted to the diet.

It is called I believe GFCFDiet group. So join them also and check the

archives because they are also a very good helpful bunch. HTH, Jackie D.

riyoelam <riyoelam@...> wrote:Hello to all:

I am new to this group and the whole diet issue. someone told me maybe

I could get help here. We just started the gfcf diet 14 days ago I

started with taking casein first. Wich all that ment was taking his

pizza away. So now that left only 4 foods that he eats

(oreos,cupcakes,cocoa puffs, and hotdogs) so next I choose cocoa puffs,

he ate 2 bowls a day. I tried to make him gf cupcakes. He will not eat

them. He will not try any new foods I have tried and tried. My point:

is it better for him to start eating more cookies and cake since I took

away his main food (pizza)? Or do I take it all away? I do not see any

difference since stoping casein. For the good or bad. All I see is that

he is loosing wieght and is very hungry. Will enzymes help? I really

envy and applaud all of you that do this diet so well. My son is 7 yrs

old ASD. Thank you so much

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[Guest guest]

I do not believe that just because a child is self-limiting that

automatically means he is 'addicted'. There isn't any thing to

suggest this is always the case although it is a theory some hold. It

could also be that his digestion is impaired so anything he eats is

upsetting and makes him feel bad. So naturally and logically, you

would be reluctant to eat if it always hurt or made you feel bad.

This can be true of any food.

If you feel bad you would lean toward anything that would ease the

pain...comforting foods would be high on the list. The dairy and

grain foods are comfort foods as they boost serotonin which helps

with calming. Naturally and logically, a child would want to eat

little and lean toward the foods that would cause the least distress

overall.

If the child was low in serotonin, which quite a few spectrum kids

are, then it is also logical that the child would want to lean toward

the foods that filled that deficiency.

It can also be that someone craves foods that contain nutrients they

are deficient in. So if you are, say.... deficient in minerals such

as magnesium and zinc, then whole grains and dairy may be good

dietary sources of those and so you would go for them.

I don't think we can jump to any one of these conclusions....I am

just stressing not to jump to any one conclusion until you really

think of all the possibilities and evaluate it them in light of the

particular child or person.

If a person is low in serotonin or magnesium and you put them on a

dairy free diet, you could make it worse and he would act worse. It

is common enough that with enzymes, a child leaves a diary free diet,

starts having dairy again, and voila! he gets far better than on a

GFCF diet. This has happened over and over and over again.

All I am stressing is not to automatically jump to one particular

conclusion.

As for the picky eating, this often goes away with enzymes. My

younger son was a picky eater to the point that he wasn't gaining

weight...in a couple of years. He was emaciated and gaunt. He had not

energy at all. The third week of taking enzymes regularly he started

eating and eating and eating. He picked up several pounds he really

needed. And he when from struggling with 4-5 foods to 25-30 foods.

This is common. The advantage of digestive enzymes is that they are a

pro-active healing element and they can address foods across the

board - you don't have to just guess which food(s) might be a problem.

You can also do enzymes and food eliminations at the same time.

Enzymes add a LOT of flexibility. best with this.

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