Re: few questions for or others

[Guest guest]

> , what do you think of Zoloft and will enzymes affect it in

any

> way? Our doctor has prescribed 25mg to help with my daughter's

> anxiety and OCD. One of the other kids in her class just started it

> and it is really helping him. I am thinking of starting it this

> weekend to see if it helps.

I'm not recommending anyone go against doctor's orders, but you might

want to read the latest about zoloft and some other SSRI's used for

children http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2004/ANS01306.html.

Even with these warnings, your doctor may feel the benefits outweigh

the risks. Currently, Prozac is the only SSRI not deemed to have

increased suicide risk in children. I've read many abstracts and

studies for SSRI's in children and was surprised at how much of a

placebo effect there is, something else to consider as I think the

OCD Zoloft studies had a fairly large placebo effect. However, it's

very possible that an SSRI may be the thing that helps your child and

it may be that Zoloft is the one that helps your child most. I'm not

suggesting you go against the doctor, just that you might want to

read all the new info.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) has proven to be effective for

anxiety, including OCD. I have used a combination of CBT with play

therapy for my son's anxiety. It takes great determination and

consistency on the part of the parents. You can ask around for a

psychologist to help you.

You can read about strep-throat related OCD at

www.enzymestory.com/PANDAS/. I also have some links for books for

anxiety and OCD and CBT. The paper by Wagner was especially helpful.

> I think right now the weather is also playing a role in her

> behavior. It has been a miserable hot, humid and unstable summer,

> one like we haven't had in several years.

> Also what about EFA's? We used Efalex (not sure of the spelling) a

> few years ago and I think it helped.

> Also should I increase the enzymes? She gets them with every meal

> and snack right now. I give the No-phenol if I think there is a

> problem food. I am only giving one capsule of each enzyme. Will

> increasing that help? My daughter is 12 and weighs 112, so she is

> almost adult size.

> I really need some help to figure out where to go next. Sorry this

> is long. This group is the best thing I've found. Thank you all so

> much.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I've read some of those studies and that is why I've hesitated

about starting the Zoloft. We tried Prozac and it caused too much agitation,

although it seemed to help with the OCD. Zoloft is not supposed to cause as much

of a problem. My daughter has a diagnosis of autism and OCD. There is so much

OCD in our families. In fact my husband takes Luvox for his OCD and it really

helps. It is interesting being the only non OCD person in a house with two OCD

folks. Of course, my house is always neat and nothing is out of place.

I once asked a doctor if there is a medication for someone who lives with two

OCD people and he said, " Yes, it's called valium. " Sorry to wander off subject.

Thanks for your comments. I'm just not sure what to do. It all gets confusing

doesn't it?

Re: few questions for or others

> , what do you think of Zoloft and will enzymes affect it in

any

> way? Our doctor has prescribed 25mg to help with my daughter's

> anxiety and OCD. One of the other kids in her class just started it

> and it is really helping him. I am thinking of starting it this

> weekend to see if it helps.

I'm not recommending anyone go against doctor's orders, but you might

want to read the latest about zoloft and some other SSRI's used for

children http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2004/ANS01306.html.

Even with these warnings, your doctor may feel the benefits outweigh

the risks. Currently, Prozac is the only SSRI not deemed to have

increased suicide risk in children. I've read many abstracts and

studies for SSRI's in children and was surprised at how much of a

placebo effect there is, something else to consider as I think the

OCD Zoloft studies had a fairly large placebo effect. However, it's

very possible that an SSRI may be the thing that helps your child and

it may be that Zoloft is the one that helps your child most. I'm not

suggesting you go against the doctor, just that you might want to

read all the new info.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) has proven to be effective for

anxiety, including OCD. I have used a combination of CBT with play

therapy for my son's anxiety. It takes great determination and

consistency on the part of the parents. You can ask around for a

psychologist to help you.

You can read about strep-throat related OCD at

www.enzymestory.com/PANDAS/. I also have some links for books for

anxiety and OCD and CBT. The paper by Wagner was especially helpful.

> I think right now the weather is also playing a role in her

> behavior. It has been a miserable hot, humid and unstable summer,

> one like we haven't had in several years.

> Also what about EFA's? We used Efalex (not sure of the spelling) a

> few years ago and I think it helped.

> Also should I increase the enzymes? She gets them with every meal

> and snack right now. I give the No-phenol if I think there is a

> problem food. I am only giving one capsule of each enzyme. Will

> increasing that help? My daughter is 12 and weighs 112, so she is

> almost adult size.

> I really need some help to figure out where to go next. Sorry this

> is long. This group is the best thing I've found. Thank you all so

> much.

>

[Guest guest]

We gave enzymes not only with snacks and meals, but drinks as well in the

beginning. Also in the beginning, or even just a year ago, any form of Vit.

C would agitate my son. Our baths seemed way more productive when I cut

Epsom salts down to a handful ( and I have small hands) and added the baking

soda.

few questions for or others

> There are a few questions I'd love to get comments on. First we are

> almost three weeks into taking Pep and No Phenol and two weeks with

> Zyme added. We are seeing both good and not so good reactions. The

> good is almost no tantrums and better sleep patterns, regularity of

> bowels and no constipations. The not so good, some aggitation and

> anxiety, these were there before enzymes.

> My question is what should I add next. Today I started my daughter

> back on Yeast Aid from Kirkman's. It contains Vit.C, Biotin,

> selenium, Olive Leaf extract, Paud'Arco extract, Goldenseal extract,

> Caprylic acid (calcium caprylate) and Oregano. We have tried two

> Edson salt baths in the last week with awful results. I used 1 cup

> one time and 1/2 cup the next time. She was hyper, irritable and

> aggitated. This has happened every time we have used Epson salt.

> I purchased some probiotics at the HFS from a company called Ethical

> Nutrients. They contain acidophilus and bifidobacteria 6 million

> each. They have no dairy, wheat, gluten, corn, yeast, soy, animal

> products, artifical color, sweeteners or preservatives. Have you

> heard of this product and what do you think about it?

> Also, how should I give the yeast aide and probiotics, after enzymes

> and a meal or before?

> My child has never had any glaring deficiences in any of her tests.

> Her zinc/copper ratio was fine and while she had some food

> sensitivities, most were only +1s. She didn't show any major

> absorption problems in her stool analysis, but she did have no

> detectable levels of bifidobacterium. That was in 2003. The only

> thing that ever really showed up was a slight vitamin A deficiency

> when she was tested in 2000 and high titers for measles. The doctor

> told me she had enough protection she never needed a booster (we

> weren't getting one anyway). Some viral activity has also shown up

> on tests.

> , what do you think of Zoloft and will enzymes affect it in any

> way? Our doctor has prescribed 25mg to help with my daughter's

> anxiety and OCD. One of the other kids in her class just started it

> and it is really helping him. I am thinking of starting it this

> weekend to see if it helps.

> I think right now the weather is also playing a role in her

> behavior. It has been a miserable hot, humid and unstable summer,

> one like we haven't had in several years.

> Also what about EFA's? We used Efalex (not sure of the spelling) a

> few years ago and I think it helped.

> Also should I increase the enzymes? She gets them with every meal

> and snack right now. I give the No-phenol if I think there is a

> problem food. I am only giving one capsule of each enzyme. Will

> increasing that help? My daughter is 12 and weighs 112, so she is

> almost adult size.

> I really need some help to figure out where to go next. Sorry this

> is long. This group is the best thing I've found. Thank you all so

> much.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

and I don't get along with posting links, I'll try again

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2004/ANS01306.html

I added ocd message boards to the pandas page today; you can search

their archives www.enzymestory.com/PANDAS.html

Good luck, you are right about it all getting confusing.

> Thanks . I've read some of those studies and that is why I've

hesitated about starting the Zoloft. We tried Prozac and it caused

too much agitation, although it seemed to help with the OCD. Zoloft

is not supposed to cause as much of a problem. My daughter has a

diagnosis of autism and OCD. There is so much OCD in our families. In

fact my husband takes Luvox for his OCD and it really helps. It is

interesting being the only non OCD person in a house with two OCD

folks. Of course, my house is always neat and nothing is out of place.

> I once asked a doctor if there is a medication for someone who

lives with two OCD people and he said, " Yes, it's called valium. "

Sorry to wander off subject.

> Thanks for your comments. I'm just not sure what to do. It all gets

confusing doesn't it?

> Re: few questions for or others

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Go to www.ccid.org and read up on the treatment protocol for viruses. I

think my son made the most progress after I started this protocol .

Lauricidin also helped alot. The most mercury he dunped ever was after doing

the protocol for a few months and then detoxing with dmsa/ala combo. He

dumped 250 times the normal amount of the high end of the reference range of

mercury at that time.

R

[Guest guest]

>>The only

> thing that ever really showed up was a slight vitamin A deficiency

> when she was tested in 2000 and high titers for measles. The doctor

> told me she had enough protection she never needed a booster (we

> weren't getting one anyway). Some viral activity has also shown up

> on tests.

Consider high dose vitamin A protocol. This was VERY helpful for my

son for quite a few issues

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

,

Did your son test with high levels of mercury or other heavy metals? When we

tested our daughter nothing out of whack showed up. The only thing that has ever

been noted on tests was a slight vitamin A deficiencies and viral activity.

Thanks for your response.

Re: few questions for or others

Hi ,

Go to www.ccid.org and read up on the treatment protocol for viruses. I

think my son made the most progress after I started this protocol .

Lauricidin also helped alot. The most mercury he dunped ever was after doing

the protocol for a few months and then detoxing with dmsa/ala combo. He

dumped 250 times the normal amount of the high end of the reference range of

mercury at that time.

R

[Guest guest]

,

Mercury didn't show up on his first few hair tests.He did however have the

famous three A's all high and disordered mineral transport.Mercury and lead

didn't start coming out until we detoxed after 2 years.

R

[Guest guest]

We didn't do a hair test. We did a urine test where my daughter took Chemet for

a certain amount of time. Then we took urine sample. While low levels of several

metals showed up, none were out of what they called the normal range.

Re: few questions for or others

,

Mercury didn't show up on his first few hair tests.He did however have the

famous three A's all high and disordered mineral transport.Mercury and lead

didn't start coming out until we detoxed after 2 years.

R