Re: enzymes vs GFCF /Josie

[Guest guest]

>>>> I don't really want to do that at all b/c.though we have seen a

HUGE stool regression, we have ALSO seen big improvements in language

and temperament that tell me we are at least doing SOMETHING right.

Josie, I was reading this sad tale and feeling bad for you until I

got to this part above - this is a classic 'positive along with the

negative' scenario.

You did mention a couple changes at once - switching enzymes and

changing diet. Either of those along can provoke such changes. I

think you are right in Lypo being a 'milder' product higher in

lipases (which it was designed to be) and half as much proteases. So

it was likely a good starter.

What foods did you put in the diet when you went 100% GFCF? If you

took out complex grains and put in more simple sugars/starches that

could favor yeast growth. But it might be your son started eating

more of some other food he wasn't tolerating well. Lots of

GFCF 'bread' foods use lots of gums which are harder to digest and

can favor yeast.

So then you put in Peptizyde which is much more pronounced on yeast.

Now you have a recipe for a good round of die-off. The stool

consistency: watery, yellow, less digested, mucous...all go with the

gut trying to flush stuff out (for a to-the-point-description). The

peptizyde and cellulases kill off some yeast. The gut sees dead yeast

cells and says, " oooh, yuck! Get rid of this gunk as fast as

possible. " Flush, flush.

Since you had yeast before, this is a very likely scenario. The yeast

might have been 'under control' before, but this is also where the

yeast was existing at a level you tolerated. So it likely wasn't

gone, just reached a new equilibrium. The change in diet (possibly

favoring yeast) and introducing enzymes which were more aggressively

attacking yeast led to this new disruption. Now the yeast must find a

new point of equilibrium. Which may take a little time.

I don't interpret the undigested food in the stool as a lack of

enzymes working. It is more likely the gut is trying to clean out the

intestines as fast as possible and so there isn't as much time for

digestion as usual.

So, what to do. Try sticking with the Zyme Prime for a little bit

more and the Peptizyde at about 1/2 capsule per meal or 1 capsule if

tolerated. And add in Peptizyde between meals to see if it will help

with die-off.

And give it several days to a week for any changes. It just isn't

really practical to go by hourly changes. You need to assess changes

over several days to a week. The gut lining does heal dynamically but

it still takes time for new tissue to form and to clear out deeply

entrenched yeast strands. Yeast = Yuck!

Some of the die-off aids were given for . If you don't have

that message I will forward it to you. With the watery stools, give

lots of purified water to prevent dehydration and hurry along the

flushing out. Please how it goes this week. And enjoy the great

language you are getting!

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[Guest guest]

>>> A couple of the foods we eliminated though DO have lots of fiber

(Ezekiel bread, high protein, high fiber, no flour), a high protein

high fiber flax seed chip.

This is what I was wondering. You were taking out more of the fibre

food (the roughage, so to speak) and adding more enzymes. Either of

these, or both, can lead to the appearance of less stool. Enzymes can

break down more food so the person absorbs more nutrients and energy.

Thus, there is less waste to come out the bottom end. Actually, this

is a common reason fibre and starch enzymes are given to

livestock...to maximize the amount of nutrition the animal gets from

food, and reduce the amount of manure output. No one wants to shovel

any more than they have to,

So it might not be real constipation, just less waste overall.

That's one possibility. Another one is that she could use more fibre

and water to keep things moving. But you said her disposition was

really good. So I wonder if it is really constipation. Maybe the next

few days will shed some light on what is going on.

But as long as there is pronounced good improvement, I would consider

this still in the adjustment phase of things. Especially when there

is yeast or bacteria, the situation can be a real muddle in the

beginning.

Since Devin's suggestion involved taking more enzymes overall than

mine, I would try his first. More enzymes is better if the child can

tolerate them. If that doesn't go, you can always reduce the total

amount. There isn't a one right way to do this, so feel free to

experiment a little.

>>>Devin also suggested that the light color can be due to undigested

fats (not that her diet is high in fats

Right. Even if the diet isn't really high in fats, when digestion is

messed up, then fat digestion is also messed up. So the Lypo could be

helping on that front.

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