on enzymes, but not on GFCF diet-question

[Guest guest]

>But seeing how they aren't on the GFCF >diet, will I have to give

>them say 2 caps. of each at each meal >because they have more casin

>and gluten in their systems than someone >on the diet?

Why don't you just see how your kids go? Just keep a close eye and maybe do a

food/behaviour diary and you will know when the dose it right.

HTH

Prue

[Guest guest]

Thanks Prue. I will.

> >But seeing how they aren't on the GFCF >diet, will I have to give

> >them say 2 caps. of each at each meal >because they have more

casin

> >and gluten in their systems than someone >on the diet?

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> Why don't you just see how your kids go? Just keep a close eye and

maybe do a food/behaviour diary and you will know when the dose it

right.

> HTH

> Prue

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[Guest guest]

>>>>> But seeing how they aren't on the GFCF diet, will I have to

give them say 2 caps. of each at each meal because they have more

casin and gluten in their systems than someone on the diet?

Not necessarily. You can eventually work up to 2 caps at a meal and

see if it helps. If not, a lot of people just use one even if they

haven't been on GFCF. You might see increased benefit with 2-3 or

more capsules just because of the gut healing and detox the enzymes

will provide, not because there is extra casein and gluten in the

system.

Casein and gluten do not actually 'stay in the body for up to a

year'. There was a big discussion of this a couple years ago in this

group. The idea that a chunck of gluten is circulating in the body

for 6 months or more, or lodged in tisse, is not biologically sound.

I even asked some of the major GFCF people how this was physically

possible at all! It was admitted that it doesn't, they just say that.

Sort of like this vicious urban legend that people just keep

repeating because they hear it often enough and don't know any better.

Remember that casein and gluten peptides are chains of amino acids

from food and therefore as subject to the same breakdown processes as

any other proteins or amino acid food chains. So how is it physically

and biologically possible for a food particle to exist as it is for

even a few months? Basically, it isn't.

What is meant by that at the most is the effects and antibodies and

sensitivities may take a while to fully get over. Even a couple years

ago some GFCF advocates and leaders said at a conference you really

only need to try the diet for 3 months at the most to evaluate it so

all the effects could fully be gotten over and gut healing to be

underway (3-6 months for average gut healing). Casein can be out of

body in a week.

This wait a year for gluten to leave the system is really a stretch

(and it is statements like this that make your reg pediatrician roll

his eyes at the ceiling when moms come in and repeat them).

And there isn't any one reason that people may improve with

eliminating dairy and grain foods. It might be reducing highly

processed foods; taking out many artificial ingredients; taking out

lots of refined carbohydrates and going on a more balanced diet;

dairy allergy; reducing the starches that feed yeast, so you are

really doing yeast-control; or other reasons. Research on gut

problems will need to really divide out what is a major reason people

might improve.

Wonderful that you are seeing improvements already!

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[Guest guest]

You're right about this being a popular " urban legend " kind of

thing. The DAN doc we saw recently warned me against planned gluten

infractions by saying something like gluten stays in the body for

months, but that casein clears out in a matter of days. It doesn't

make sense on the face of it, so thanks for your input.

I've been letting my little guy have regular chicken nuggets once a

week - he loves them (from ChickFilA) and I love to see him eat them

with such relish! His behavior has been a little different lately -

a little more defiance maybe, definitely a little more difficult to

settle down at night - but we've been adding in new supplements over

the past several weeks, and may have a yeast issue - (I know some

would say gluten is terrible for yeast - but is it really?)

Can you tell how ambivalent I am about all this stuff right now? LOL

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> So how is it physically

> and biologically possible for a food particle to exist as it is for

> even a few months? Basically, it isn't.

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> I'm a biologist and I can definitely confirm that it is

impossible. I

> remember hearing when I was a kid that if you swallow your gum it

stays

> in there for 5 years! LOL!

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