Re: Typical or atypical results?

[Guest guest]

I think maybe you only see posts from people with dramatic results or need help

with negative problems. The others like you are less likely to post. I am new

so cannot answer the questions though. We had a dramatic change but then it

settled down again and saw a fleeting change again today but not a wow all the

time.

Typical or atypical results?

Hello all,

I just wanted get the benefit of your experience on evaluating our

response to enzymes. Our 3.4 year old daughter started on enzymes

about three weeks ago; she takes 1/2 capsule each of Peptizyde, Zyme

Prime, and Kirkman's Phenol Assist before each meal or snack,

totaling 2 or 2.5 capsules per day, spread out throughout. She seems

to be having a positive response; she seems generally a little bit

happier, is somewhat more responsive to questions, and is more

willing to repeat things when we ask her to (i.e., " Say 'More

please' " . . . " More please. " ).

However, it is not a " light switch " response. She still has

difficulty transitioning, doesn't have any additional spontaneous

speech, and is still quick to fit when frustrated, which happens

easily when something doesn't go the way she wants it to. She has

also had soft stools since we started (which I understand indicates

that we should reduce the dose, but we are hesitant to do that

because of what we view as a positive response). We tried to get her

interested in potty training again, and she agreed to wear underwear

and to use the toilet or potty chair when she needed to, but just

didn't seem able to; she would wet, and would then have an extreme

meltdown.

I am wondering if any of you had a more moderate response to the

enzymes and if so, if they progressed as time went on, or if this

modest response is the best enzymes will give us. It seems that most

folks have a much more dramatic response, immediately seeing great

things and possibly some negative reactions which quickly resolve.

We, in contrast, have seen a (possibly) good, but definitely mild,

positive reaction, and are wondering if we should do something

differently with the enzymes or if this is the way it worked for

others too.

I should note that she is GF/CF, soyF, cornF, and Feingold. However,

because we hear that with enzymes some kids actually improve on

gluten and casein, we are planning on challenging casein with enzymes

this weekend by giving her a cup of yogurt.

Thanks for your advice, and I very much enjoyed the book.

Zach Kelton

[Guest guest]

We didn't see big changes either, but they were subtle enough to want

to keep them as part of my daughter's plan. I would suggest getting

to the doses you feel appropriate for your daughter then continue on

your journey of other vitamins, supplements, therapies, etc. Our big

changes occurred with my daughter getting glasses and then vision

therapy.

Best Wishes!

Becky

> Hello all,

>

> I just wanted get the benefit of your experience on evaluating our

> response to enzymes. Our 3.4 year old daughter started on enzymes

> about three weeks ago; she takes 1/2 capsule each of Peptizyde,

Zyme

> Prime, and Kirkman's Phenol Assist before each meal or snack,

> totaling 2 or 2.5 capsules per day, spread out throughout. She

seems

> to be having a positive response; she seems generally a little bit

> happier, is somewhat more responsive to questions, and is more

> willing to repeat things when we ask her to (i.e., " Say 'More

> please' " . . . " More please. " ).

>

> However, it is not a " light switch " response. She still has

> difficulty transitioning, doesn't have any additional spontaneous

> speech, and is still quick to fit when frustrated, which happens

> easily when something doesn't go the way she wants it to. She has

> also had soft stools since we started (which I understand indicates

> that we should reduce the dose, but we are hesitant to do that

> because of what we view as a positive response). We tried to get

her

> interested in potty training again, and she agreed to wear

underwear

> and to use the toilet or potty chair when she needed to, but just

> didn't seem able to; she would wet, and would then have an extreme

> meltdown.

>

> I am wondering if any of you had a more moderate response to the

> enzymes and if so, if they progressed as time went on, or if this

> modest response is the best enzymes will give us. It seems that

most

> folks have a much more dramatic response, immediately seeing great

> things and possibly some negative reactions which quickly resolve.

> We, in contrast, have seen a (possibly) good, but definitely mild,

> positive reaction, and are wondering if we should do something

> differently with the enzymes or if this is the way it worked for

> others too.

>

> I should note that she is GF/CF, soyF, cornF, and Feingold.

However,

> because we hear that with enzymes some kids actually improve on

> gluten and casein, we are planning on challenging casein with

enzymes

> this weekend by giving her a cup of yogurt.

>

> Thanks for your advice, and I very much enjoyed the book.

>

> Zach Kelton

[Guest guest]

For us we had dramatic improvement, however, we had a great many balls in

the air at the time we introduced enzymes. We'd already acclimated to

probiotics, Ojibwa tea, we'd cleared out our hygiene products of harmful

harmful to sensitive kids with overwhelmed systems) products. We'd also

started DMG. So, the socializing had good jump with Ojibwa tea, but then was

a spectacular thing to see combined with the enzymes. With DMG we saw a 1 to

2 word utterance occasionally intelligible, jump to 3-4 word short

sentences, with enzymes we've seen language flourish to complete sentences

and few grammatical errors. Probiotics evened out the temper quite a bit and

helped with the attending, again, the enzymes amped this improvement up. For

us the real benefit was the acquisition of more foods being tolerated. My

son was down to pork, chicken, potatoes and water when we started enzymes.

Now we are GFCF, with minor infractions tolerated really well. He is no

longer malnourished and no longer suffers from Osteopenia. All the

fantastic, oh my goodness, I can't believe this, stuff happened here and

there while we were adjusting, it wasn't until a couple of months had gone

by and he had acclimated to all three enzymes, that we got happy child

effect, etc. Shortly after the adjustment we introduced Valtrex, a

prescription given by a Doctor in Tarzana California. What we saw were

glimmers of the child ph had the potential to be. Gone were the

obsessive compulsive issues that plagued us daily. Gone was the difficulty

transitioning, remarkable were his writing abilities and motor skill

improvements. However, we've since stopped this med. Too long a story.

Briefly though, shortly after a nasty infection and 2 days into the

antibiotic Augmenten we had a breakthrough. ph was in every way I could

discern, neurotypical. We had conversations and did things that I'd been

waiting 5 years for. The breakthrough was brief, lasted only 3 days. By the

time we'd finished the antibiotic he had regressed to a degree we hadn't

seen in over a year. Anyhow, that prompted our using a probiotic daily

called Culturelle. While the behavior and physical improvements aren't as

marked, I notice a really bad body odor and bad breath when he skips a day

of taking it. So, don't be discouraged. During our adjustment period I

couldn't keep dry sheets in the house for all the potty accidents he had,

I'd cry, he'd cry, this was a child who'd been potty trained for 2 years

already. That passed, although it recurred as a problem/symptom of a yeast

issue for the following 6 months. Good luck to you. Zinc I know from

experience helps some even out the temper issues, but that is on a need only

basis and it takes a great deal of research before you jump into the

supplementation of minerals etc.

Typical or atypical results?

> Hello all,

>

> I just wanted get the benefit of your experience on evaluating our

> response to enzymes. Our 3.4 year old daughter started on enzymes

> about three weeks ago; she takes 1/2 capsule each of Peptizyde, Zyme

> Prime, and Kirkman's Phenol Assist before each meal or snack,

> totaling 2 or 2.5 capsules per day, spread out throughout. She seems

> to be having a positive response; she seems generally a little bit

> happier, is somewhat more responsive to questions, and is more

> willing to repeat things when we ask her to (i.e., " Say 'More

> please' " . . . " More please. " ).

>

> However, it is not a " light switch " response. She still has

> difficulty transitioning, doesn't have any additional spontaneous

> speech, and is still quick to fit when frustrated, which happens

> easily when something doesn't go the way she wants it to. She has

> also had soft stools since we started (which I understand indicates

> that we should reduce the dose, but we are hesitant to do that

> because of what we view as a positive response). We tried to get her

> interested in potty training again, and she agreed to wear underwear

> and to use the toilet or potty chair when she needed to, but just

> didn't seem able to; she would wet, and would then have an extreme

> meltdown.

>

> I am wondering if any of you had a more moderate response to the

> enzymes and if so, if they progressed as time went on, or if this

> modest response is the best enzymes will give us. It seems that most

> folks have a much more dramatic response, immediately seeing great

> things and possibly some negative reactions which quickly resolve.

> We, in contrast, have seen a (possibly) good, but definitely mild,

> positive reaction, and are wondering if we should do something

> differently with the enzymes or if this is the way it worked for

> others too.

>

> I should note that she is GF/CF, soyF, cornF, and Feingold. However,

> because we hear that with enzymes some kids actually improve on

> gluten and casein, we are planning on challenging casein with enzymes

> this weekend by giving her a cup of yogurt.

>

> Thanks for your advice, and I very much enjoyed the book.

>

> Zach Kelton

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[Guest guest]

> I am wondering if any of you had a more moderate response to the

> enzymes and if so, if they progressed as time went on, or if this

> modest response is the best enzymes will give us.

My kids still did not tolerate certain foods, even with enzymes. So

it is possible that your child is still eating something that she does

not tolerate.

Dana