and everybody : Kirkman's Carb Digest with Isogest? ... feedback needed

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hi

My son get constipated with rice and chicken.

I want to try Carb digest, any feedbacks will be appreciated

he is GFCFSFSugarFYeastFCornF and Feingold diet

thanks

manisha

alstern2003 <> wrote:

Hi Again,

Thanks for your input re: Isogest.

I have to be honest though, your response really put me in a tizzy!

We recently saw Dr. Buie for a follow-up and it was he who sugested looking

into adding this product to Noah's regimen. Dr. Buie is well aware of Noah's

history of yeast overgrowth, and our adherence to a GF/CF/SF/YF diet....so I

was perplexed and very upset by the informaiton you sent me about Isogest.

Why would Dr. Buie recommend our trying something that would be

contraindicated by Noah's profile?

I made a few few calls and found out the following information I thought I

should share with you and all your readers. It really made me feel a lot calmer

about trying this product:

Carb-Disgest with Isogest does NOT actiually contain Isomaltase. It is a

speical enzyme formulation that mimics the same ezymatic action as

Isomaltase, but it is NOT derived from baker's yeast. It is derived from

Aspergilus (which may not be well tolerated by sensitive individuals). Since it

is derived from Aspergilus, it is not considered " hypo-allergenic " . That being

said, I have confirmed that it does NOT contain gluten, casein, soy or yeast.

I plan to keep Noah on a 1/4 capsule per meal/snack for the next week or so

to see how he does, and very gradually increase the doasge to gauge any

discomfort or (hopefully) improvement in stool consistency! I'll keep you

posted about how it is all going!

Thanks again for your input, and hope that mine was helpful too!

Abby (Noah's mom)

-- In , " jornmatt " <kjorn@t...> wrote:

> Abby,

>

> This really does not sound like die-off...and since you have done

> other enzymes and other yeast-control measures, you would have seen

> other things similar to this.

>

> The Isogest is a new product with the 'gimmick' of isomaltase.

> Isomaltase is an enzyme that breaks down some sugars. It occurs in a

> complex with sucrase. The complex is located in the gut lining cells

> (one of the disaccharidases). Isomaltase is also called palatinase.

>

> It has not been shown that supplementing isomaltase helps replace

> whatever is not there. This new product and sales angle is based on

> some work by Dr. Buie who was looking at isomaltase for early

> diagoses of gut impairement. It was meant to diagnosis a problem. It

> is not supporting or meant to treat a problem. It is not even known

> if you can give isomaltase and it does any good. There is research

> showing that if you have deficient sucrase-isomaltase, giving sucrase

> alleviates the problem.

>

> I did notice a couple things about the Isogest product which might

> have more to do with your son's reactions.

>

> Kirkman does not list Isogest as gluten-free, casein-free, yeast-

> free, soy-free, etc...like it does its other enzymes or products. So

> there may be any or all of these items in the product if you son is

> sensitive to them.

>

> The 'Isogest' is listed in milligrams instead of activity units. This

> doesn't tell us if there is any enzyme activity at all. With enzymes

> you need to go with activity units, not weight. It could be

> milligrams of sand or starch...or inactive enzymes. The label doesn't

> tell.

>

> Isomaltase comes from yeast - baker's yeast (different than brewer's

> yeast). So if you have a yeast problem, or don't want a yeast

> problem...this product may promote yeast. Some of the candida diet

> sites said that you can't consume baker's yeast on a yeast-control

> diet:

> http://www.naturallyherbs.com/articles/candida_diet.sh

> http://www.althealth.co.uk/services/info/diets/YeastFreeDiet.php

> http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hc/resourceareas_learn/1,1441,560,00.html

>

> There are different yeast-control diets and philosophies on this, so

> consider how yeast-containing products fit into your program.

>

> So there may be yeast in the product which is in line with not having

> the 'yeast-free, gluten-free, soy-free, etc' on the bottle. If

> someone finds baker's yeast is helpful, it would probably be much

> cheaper to just give baker's yeast.

>

> Kirkman makes products that are often extra-allergenic and have lots

> of synthetics, which is often a problem for sensitive kids and adults.

>

> If any of these might turn out to be related to your son's reactions,

> please let us know.

>

> .

>

>

> ============

> N Engl J Med. 1987 May 21;316(21):1306-9.

> Related Articles, Links

>

>

> Enzyme-substitution therapy with the yeast Saccharomyces

> cerevisiae in congenital sucrase-isomaltase deficiency.

>

> Harms HK, Bertele-Harms RM, Bruer-Kleis D.

>

> Sucrase-isomaltase deficiency is an inherited disaccharidase

> deficiency that leads to malabsorption of sucrose, with resulting

> diarrhea and abdominal distention and cramps. We investigated the

> sucrose-splitting effect of viable yeast cells in eight children

> with congenital sucrase-isomaltase deficiency, by means of the

> sucrose hydrogen breath test. This test is based on the fact that

> hydrogen is released from the malabsorbed sucrose by the colonic

> microflora. We found that 0.3 g of lyophilized Saccharomyces

> cerevisiae, given after loading with 2 g of sucrose per kilogram

> of body weight, reduced hydrogen excretion in all patients, on

> average by 70 percent, in parallel with a complete loss or evident

> reduction of clinical symptoms. In vitro, lyophilized and fresh S.

> cerevisiae (fresh baker's yeast) had appreciable sucrase activity,

> a low isomaltase and maltase activity, and virtually no lactase

> activity. The sucrase activity was more inhibited by undiluted

> than by diluted gastric juice. We conclude that patients with

> congenital sucrase-isomaltase deficiency who intentionally or

> unintentionally consume sucrose can ameliorate the malabsorption

> by subsequently ingesting a small amount of viable yeast cells,

> preferably on a full stomach.

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