Re: ****Xango MLM /Please Read

September 4, 2004

Just want to thank you for this post and for all your work here

to help us help our kids get better. --Lynne

September 4, 2004

's son has overcome autism with this product and she is merely

trying to get the word out about something that could help other

children. Some children do not respond as quickly as her son and it

takes longer, but all that try it see something positive.

does not even want to sell it because she feels that would ruin her

credibility in getting the word out. However, anyone who buys it

automatically becomes a distributor. She refers most of the people to

the distributor she got it from, so he is not in her downline.

However, a few moms do not want to deal with a salesman and would

rather get it from her so they can keep in touch with someone familiar

with autism. has done extensive research about Xango and is

trying to get a study done on Xango and autism. She should be thanked

for her concern for our children instead of condemned. Nobody is

pushing anybody to buy anything. Please believe this. Kristy

On Sep 4, 2004, at 6:41 PM, jornmatt wrote:

> >>>> I am not supposed to talk about the supplement Ethan is taking

> on this board as I bought it from an Network marketing company and

> because it was one ruffeled quite afew feathers.

>

> First, this comment is false as far as I know. must have been

> told this policy for another group and confused it with this group.

> is referring to Xango fruit juice which she promoted

> intensely a bit ago with a fair amount of discussion on that product,

> other fruit juice products and mangosteen products. I personally

> spent a few full days looking into this. It is marketed by MLM. My

> personal assessment is under Related Topics at:

>

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtxanthone.htm

>

> Other comments are in the archives of this group about the first of

> July.

>

> , the second problem I have at this time is that in the

> process of researching all this, you did not disclose that you are an

> active distributor who is referring others to buy from you and your

> downline. So on one hand you were adamantly and emphatically denying

> over and over there was any financial connection and `upset' that

> people were asking you if you were `in the xango business' but on the

> other hand you are directly pushing people to buy from individuals in

> your downline (and thus you get a direct percentage from those

> sales), while hiding they are in your downline.

>

> Besides your abetterwaytohealbio group, I found:

> abetterwaytohealherbal

> abetterwaytohealhomeopathy

> abetterwaytohealadvice

> abetterwaytohealtheskin

> abetterwaytoheal_children

> abetterwaytohealalzheimers

> abetterwaytohealthereproductivesystem

> abetterwaytohealwithmangosteenchiroprachtic

>

> I found many other posts on the web to numerous groups of various

> health problems (an initial google search brought up 489 posts from

> you for any disease imaginable). They include references to go to

> your xango distributor page and `take the tour' on xango.

>

> So is our group just one of a long list of groups to `hit'??? Did it

> appear to be a susceptible place to market antioxidant juice because

> it is open to alternative ideas as well as conventional?

>

> A Finance page lists this message by you:

>

> -----------------------------

> Message 1365 of 1367

> Jul 14 I have a investment opportunity position open

> Email me at khsesrussell@y... for request for information.

>

> Required at least 18 years of age, Marketing degree appreciated but

> not a requirement. Goal orientated, vision orientated, willing to

> invest in company that has just obtained their patent on a product

> scarring the pants off of PFIZER (fastest growing pharm. company).

>

> I am looking forward to meeting you, (Business

> owner/operator)

>

> ---------------------------

>

> There is also a constant push for people to buy from certain

> individuals and only those individuals while not disclosing they are

> in your direct downline.

>

> Look, I know that other companies besides MLM ones do sneaky things

> to deceive people so they will buy. Serious health conditions are a

> magnet for this type of thing. Some time ago some Kirkman employees

> were caught pretending to be parents with kids endorsing Kirkman

> products and downing competitors. Rimland/Dan was found promoting

> products they didn't think were effective because they received

> money. So even autism companies do it. Lots of organizations are

> getting into sales of autism stuff. But MLM seems to really breed

> this type of behavior. This doesn't mean every MLM person does it,

> just like every employee of a supplement company or organization

> doesn't. Deceit isn't confined to the internet either.

>

> We are all interested in therapies and products that will help.

> Having a business or earning a living isn't the point or the problem.

> What we need is honest and truthful information on therapies and

> products.

>

> Unfortunately, this experience with a xango rep has just re-affirmed

> the type of behavior and sales tactics that is loathed and makes

> people very suspicious of MLMs. In addition, it makes it hard on

> every other person who is trying to lend credibility and honest

> reports to alternative therapies. And it brings everything associated

> with an MLM into question. Right now, all the `claimed' research and

> benefits on xango and mangosteen are highly questionable at best.

>

> has its own policy for certain marketing practices. If someone

> is wanting to directly market their wares via , please

> contact and investigate the avenues they have set up for

> advertising or commercial purposes.

>

> In addition, the welcome letter to this group includes:

> " Please contact the moderator privately to discuss your posting if

> you represent a company, often such a courtesy will result in the

> posting of your company or organization's information. You are

> requested to disclose any financial interests or affiliations you

> have, at which time, a `policy' message will be sent so you are

> informed. " , not only have you not done this, you have

> actively tried to hide your affiliation, even arguing with and

> criticizing members who asked about it. There are business people who

> post here (and some members do have businesses with various MLMs) but

> they have been very upfront about it and do not `abuse' the list for

> their business. Honest contributors are an asset.

>

> , I spent a lot of time looking at this just for one person

> who wanted it investigated. One person out of thousands. This I don't

> mind because any one idea might be quite helpful to others. And we

> all have our therapies we are very enthusiastic about. Or products we

> want to share success with - that is welcome. But I volunteer here

> and do not like having time and effort wasted on run-around sneaky

> marketing tactics. Most here do not want to waste time being led on

> either. In an effort to be generous, I'll stop here and feel the

> point has been made.

>

> .

> (on moderator duty because sometimes it is necessary)

>

September 5, 2004

If 's son overcame autism with just this product, I would say

that he wasn't autistic to begin with, just severely malnourished. I

think it is outrageous to make this claim to very desperate people

with severely impaired children. Unconcsionable in fact!

Congratulations on unearthing this worm! Probably got some

business out of her spamming though, so she'd be happy.

>

> > >>>> I am not supposed to talk about the supplement Ethan is

taking

> > on this board as I bought it from an Network marketing company

and

> > because it was one ruffeled quite afew feathers.

> >

> > First, this comment is false as far as I know. must have

been

> > told this policy for another group and confused it with this

group.

> > is referring to Xango fruit juice which she promoted

> > intensely a bit ago with a fair amount of discussion on that

product,

> > other fruit juice products and mangosteen products. I personally

> > spent a few full days looking into this. It is marketed by MLM.

My

> > personal assessment is under Related Topics at:

> >

> > http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtxanthone.htm

> >

> > Other comments are in the archives of this group about the first

of

> > July.

> >

> > , the second problem I have at this time is that in the

> > process of researching all this, you did not disclose that you

are an

> > active distributor who is referring others to buy from you and

your

> > downline. So on one hand you were adamantly and emphatically

denying

> > over and over there was any financial connection and `upset' that

> > people were asking you if you were `in the xango business' but

on the

> > other hand you are directly pushing people to buy from

individuals in

> > your downline (and thus you get a direct percentage from those

> > sales), while hiding they are in your downline.

> >

> > Besides your abetterwaytohealbio group, I found:

> > abetterwaytohealherbal

> > abetterwaytohealhomeopathy

> > abetterwaytohealadvice

> > abetterwaytohealtheskin

> > abetterwaytoheal_children

> > abetterwaytohealalzheimers

> > abetterwaytohealthereproductivesystem

> > abetterwaytohealwithmangosteenchiroprachtic

> >

> > I found many other posts on the web to numerous groups of various

> > health problems (an initial google search brought up 489 posts

from

> > you for any disease imaginable). They include references to go to

> > your xango distributor page and `take the tour' on xango.

> >

> > So is our group just one of a long list of groups to `hit'???

Did it

> > appear to be a susceptible place to market antioxidant juice

because

> > it is open to alternative ideas as well as conventional?

> >

> > A Finance page lists this message by you:

> >

> > -----------------------------

> > Message 1365 of 1367

> > Jul 14 I have a investment opportunity position

open

> > Email me at khsesrussell@y... for request for information.

> >

> > Required at least 18 years of age, Marketing degree appreciated

but

> > not a requirement. Goal orientated, vision orientated, willing to

> > invest in company that has just obtained their patent on a

product

> > scarring the pants off of PFIZER (fastest growing pharm.

company).

> >

> > I am looking forward to meeting you, (Business

> > owner/operator)

> >

> > ---------------------------

> >

> > There is also a constant push for people to buy from certain

> > individuals and only those individuals while not disclosing they

are

> > in your direct downline.

> >

> > Look, I know that other companies besides MLM ones do sneaky

things

> > to deceive people so they will buy. Serious health conditions

are a

> > magnet for this type of thing. Some time ago some Kirkman

employees

> > were caught pretending to be parents with kids endorsing Kirkman

> > products and downing competitors. Rimland/Dan was found promoting

> > products they didn't think were effective because they received

> > money. So even autism companies do it. Lots of organizations are

> > getting into sales of autism stuff. But MLM seems to really breed

> > this type of behavior. This doesn't mean every MLM person does

it,

> > just like every employee of a supplement company or organization

> > doesn't. Deceit isn't confined to the internet either.

> >

> > We are all interested in therapies and products that will help.

> > Having a business or earning a living isn't the point or the

problem.

> > What we need is honest and truthful information on therapies and

> > products.

> >

> > Unfortunately, this experience with a xango rep has just re-

affirmed

> > the type of behavior and sales tactics that is loathed and makes

> > people very suspicious of MLMs. In addition, it makes it hard on

> > every other person who is trying to lend credibility and honest

> > reports to alternative therapies. And it brings everything

associated

> > with an MLM into question. Right now, all the `claimed' research

and

> > benefits on xango and mangosteen are highly questionable at best.

> >

> > has its own policy for certain marketing practices. If

someone

> > is wanting to directly market their wares via ,

please

> > contact and investigate the avenues they have set up for

> > advertising or commercial purposes.

> >

> > In addition, the welcome letter to this group includes:

> > " Please contact the moderator privately to discuss your posting

if

> > you represent a company, often such a courtesy will result in the

> > posting of your company or organization's information. You are

> > requested to disclose any financial interests or affiliations you

> > have, at which time, a `policy' message will be sent so you are

> > informed. " , not only have you not done this, you have

> > actively tried to hide your affiliation, even arguing with and

> > criticizing members who asked about it. There are business

people who

> > post here (and some members do have businesses with various

MLMs) but

> > they have been very upfront about it and do not `abuse' the list

for

> > their business. Honest contributors are an asset.

> >

> > , I spent a lot of time looking at this just for one

person

> > who wanted it investigated. One person out of thousands. This I

don't

> > mind because any one idea might be quite helpful to others. And

we

> > all have our therapies we are very enthusiastic about. Or

products we

> > want to share success with - that is welcome. But I volunteer

here

> > and do not like having time and effort wasted on run-around

sneaky

> > marketing tactics. Most here do not want to waste time being led

on

> > either. In an effort to be generous, I'll stop here and feel the

> > point has been made.

> >

> > .

> > (on moderator duty because sometimes it is necessary)

> >

September 5, 2004

Without going back and re reading old posts ad nauseum, I'm not sure

that she was saying he overcame autism, she was just saying that he

made good progress after starting the juice. FWIW, my mom is from

Vietnam and when I showed her a picture of mangosteen, she recognized

what it was instantly, and she remembered the various health

conditions that it was used to treat (such as digestive problems,

diarrhea, constipation, nausea, etc.) and she used to collect the

peels and sell them at the markets to doctors. This was about 50

years ago, way before any xango-hype. So while I am *totally* turned

off by the whole MLM and people joining lists, and selling, etc. I

just want to say that it's possible that the product does have some

antioxidant and antiviral benefits that could have helped her son.

But because I still see her posting here and there (at least, I'm

pretty sure that's the same ) about trying epsom salt baths

and perhaps enzymes or other things, too, that tells me that her son

is not totally " recovered " at this point. So just wanted to clarify

that without going back and reading all her posts again, I'm not sure

she was ever saying that he totally overcame his autism. Kristy is

saying it, but I'm not sure that's really the case. As far as the

fruit, I may have my mom pick up some mangosteen fruit next time she

goes into Seattle and I may give it a try with my kids... I may try a

non-mlm brand of mangosteen juice someday... I'm keeping an open mind

about the " product " itself despite my aversion towards MLM marketing

techniques. I felt that way about ambrotose for a long time-- didn't

want to have anything to do with it. BUt I decided to try it--bought

a container off of ebay so that I wouldn't have to deal with any

marketing people contacting me all the time/spamming me, and you

know, it has had a positive effect on my son's health (he is

asthmatic and I am questioning whether he may have cystic fibrosis,

and his fingernails were lavendar/bluish in color, which is not

normal and NOT good. Using the ambrotose has restored his nails to a

normal pink coloration. Stopping it, and they return to lavendar,

return to ambrotose, and they return to pink). So even though these

MLM companies seem to prey on people and have very questionable and

disturbing tactics, the products themselves could be beneficial, to

some, but probably not all.

W

> > 's son has overcome autism with this product and she is

> merely

> > trying to get the word out about something that could help other

> > children.

>

September 5, 2004

" Congratulations on unearthing this worm! "

, it is my hope that you actually know , know what's going on

with her child, and have some knowledge and personal experience with Xango.

Surely you do for making such strong statements, and with such conviction.

There is a danger here.

If I remember correctly, the same kind of hostility and belligerence

manifested in many people in another autism list when some of you had the

outright audacity to think for yourselves and to try something new to help

your child, i.e., enzymes.

Those people were so very sure that you guys were horrible people because

you stepped outside of the box. They knew nothing about enzymes, and

outright refused to try them because they were so very certain that they

knew " what was what. " These people and their children are the ones that are

left behind, while those of you who had an open mind and heart have started

down a path of hope and healing.

Fear, hate, anger...open hostility, it's an ugly thing, especially when it's

based on projection, not an actual understanding. However, the most

important thing to understand is that when these emotions rule, you just

might possibly be missing out on/rejecting something that could really help.

Enzymes are but one piece of the puzzle.

As for what's going on with Ethan, it is my guess that inflammation plays a

large role in the ability of autistic children to function. I know that it

plays one in my ability to function. When the capillaries in my head are

aflame, it is difficult for me to string two coherent thoughts together. I

become clumsy, and nothing pleases me. I can't even be comfortable lying

down and resting; there is a jagged edge to everything.

I have found Xango to be an excellent anti-inflammatory; once the

inflammation is gone, my ability to function noticeably improves, as does my

mood. I believe that this might be what's going on with Ethan; just like

the Benadryl appears to have helped others' children.

At this point in the space-time continuum, I do not think that just

addressing the symptom, i.e., the inflammation, is the answer. I think that

it's important to determine what is causing the inflammation, e.g., GI tract

dysfunction, heavy metals, etc., and address that.

However, the anti-inflammatory actions of Xango can provide some much-needed

relief for autistic children and their parents. Perhaps there is a mom out

there who will not have to spend yet one more sleepless and weary night

staying up with her child who is too hyper and aggravated from the

inflammation taking place in their little body to go to sleep.

I have yet to see one negative statement from anyone who has actually tried

Xango. I've seen a lot of speculative accusations thrown at , and

though I know that it will probably do little good, I'm going to repeat: She

is not dishonest and unscrupulous. She is just young and does not know how

to deal well in the environment of the internet. And she has not yet

learned when to back off and let it be. But she will. If enough of you

guys keep beating her up, calling her things like " worm, " she'll learn.

Carol Lively

September 5, 2004

Carol, I am on a few autism lists and I have been met with the same hostility

that you speak of whenever diet and enzymes are mentioned. I have gotten into

many heated arguments in the past but now I just let it go. I feel fortunate to

have a doctor who is behind me all the way.

I have spoken with one mother whose son would benefit greatly from diet and

enzymes but she feels that it's all a crock of poo poo and she knows what to do

and what not to do. I was highly offended when she referred to my doc as a

crackpot, by you know something....ignorance is bliss.

I don't know who sent me the invitation to join this group but I'm glad they

did.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

All kid's are gifted; some just open their packages

earlier than others.

-- Carr

RE: ****Xango MLM /Please Read