Enzymes + a lot of B6 but no hyperactivity...why?

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My son is 4 1/2 years old and a patient at Pfeiffer. His compounded

supplement contains 300 mg of B6 and 50 mg of P5P. He also takes a

B-Complex which I believe contains another 50 mg of B6 among other

B's.

Right before we started him on AFP Peptizyde and Zyme Prime I called

Pfeiffer to ask if I should be worried about the high dose of B6 and

the possibility of hyperactivity since the enzymes would help him

better absorb the vitamins. She said not to do anything but to

start him on the enzymes and then we could " tweak " the doses

depending on what we saw. She said that they knew he needed the

high dose of B6 but didn't say why and honestly I didn't ask at the

time either.

Well, it's been almost 4 weeks since he started the enzymes and I'm

not seeing any hyperactivity at all. I know that he does not have

pyroluria (which strips the B6 out of the body and requires mega

doses).

What does this mean? Is his body still not absorbing properly?

Thanks,

Theresa

[Guest guest]

Dear Theresa,

My sons are Pfeiffer patients and on the same dosages as yours - They

suspect has pyroluria, but isn't pyroluric. I'm not sure if

it's malabsorbtion or body chemistry, but neither of my kids is hyper from

the B's either. I have been reading Dr. Carl Pfeiffer's books to get a

better idea of the philosophy of Pfeiffer. Interestingly, Dr. Pfeiffer

recommends increasing vitamin B6 until you recall your dreams. One of the

symptoms of B6 deficiency is inability to recall your dreams. If the dose

of B6 is too large or taken in the evening, dreams become so vivid that the

patient is awakened from sleep all night long.

From Pfeiffer's book Mental and Elemental Nutrients: Vitamin B6 is vitally

important to many enzymes systems and for amino acid metabolism. It is also

needed for the oxidation of histamine, biosynthesis of hemoglobin, and fat

metabolism. B6 reacts in the brain to remove the acid group from glutamic

acid to form GABA, a calming chemical and neurotransmitter. For normal

individuals, the recommended daily allowance is determined in part by the

amount of protein ingested. For adults, it is 2.0 mg/day, for adolescents

1.4-2.0 mg/day, and for infants 0.2 to 1.2 mg. The stressed individual may

require much more because the kryptopyrolle molecule removes both B6 and

zinc from the body. Pyridoxic acid occurs in the urine of patients who take

any excess of B6. It is a harmless excretion product.

, mom to (8, heavy metals issues, pyroluria?), and (7,

autistic) - both kids are high copper/low zinc

Enzymes + a lot of B6 but no hyperactivity...why?

> My son is 4 1/2 years old and a patient at Pfeiffer. His compounded

> supplement contains 300 mg of B6 and 50 mg of P5P. He also takes a

> B-Complex which I believe contains another 50 mg of B6 among other

> B's.

>

> Right before we started him on AFP Peptizyde and Zyme Prime I called

> Pfeiffer to ask if I should be worried about the high dose of B6 and

> the possibility of hyperactivity since the enzymes would help him

> better absorb the vitamins. She said not to do anything but to

> start him on the enzymes and then we could " tweak " the doses

> depending on what we saw. She said that they knew he needed the

> high dose of B6 but didn't say why and honestly I didn't ask at the

> time either.

>

> Well, it's been almost 4 weeks since he started the enzymes and I'm

> not seeing any hyperactivity at all. I know that he does not have

> pyroluria (which strips the B6 out of the body and requires mega

> doses).

>

> What does this mean? Is his body still not absorbing properly?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Theresa

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Well, it's been almost 4 weeks since he started the enzymes and I'm

> not seeing any hyperactivity at all. I know that he does not have

> pyroluria (which strips the B6 out of the body and requires mega

> doses).

>

> What does this mean? Is his body still not absorbing properly?

For my son, once he lost his phenol issue and tolerated high B6

without being hyper, the higher doses really helped him, even with

enzymes. So I would say yes, your child has [or had] malabsorption

issues, and the B6 is helping him.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>>> She said not to do anything but to start him on the enzymes and

then we could " tweak " the doses depending on what we saw.

This is a good way to start. It isn't that you want to see B6 be a

problem; it is just very common that when they is adverse hyper-ness

or other symptoms once you start enzymes, the really high B6 is often

the problem. But if it isn't causing a problem, that's okay too.

Sometimes the excessive B6 as a problem doesn't 'appear' until the 3,

4, or 5th month. Typical gut healing time is put at about 3-6 months.

So this time-frame is very consistent with when you would expect to

see much better absorption of food and supplements. This may be

something to keep in mind down the road in the months ahead is

problems crops up.

It could be that if the gut is injured and absorption is SOOOO bad,

it takes mega dose of the vitamin now just get some into the body.

Remember that what you put in your mouth and what ends up crossing

the gut lining and into your body are 2 totally different things. As

the gut heals, any nutrient deficiencies will be filled. This may

take several weeks or even months to correct. Then when there is a

continual excess, the problems show up.

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