Need advice on enzyme side effects.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I have a 9 yr old ASD kid. He has tons of food allergies (has been

GFCF since age 3, tried lots of bio-med in the past including oral

chelation which has probably compounded yeast problems). Has a

horrible yeast problem and probably has a very very leaky gut.

I recently started enzymes with him around a 1.5 months back - the

Houston HN Zyme Prime. I worked him upto around 1/2 cap for 2 weeks

then intro the Peptidyze (1/2 cap) for another 2 weeks and then

added in the No-Fenol. Initially I saw some pretty positive results -

he has loose bowels (some 4-6/day) and these got firmer and he had

BM's only 2x/day for some 4 days or so. He also seemed a little less

stimmy and more focussed & his articulation seemed clearer. I

managed to increase the dosage of HNZP & Pep to 1 cap/meal and even

added in the No-fenol (1 or 2 per day). I saw some bed-wetting for

the first week but that went away (luckily!).

Then I don't know what happened as he went downhill - he got

horribly hyper and got very irritable - lots of tantrums. I thought

that perhaps since the Houston enzymes are fungal based, it was

setting him off. I switched to the Kirkman enzymes (Complete DPP

IV) - For a few days the tantrums seem to decline a little but he

was back to loose & frequent stools and there was no change in

cognition that I saw earlier ie: I saw no positives with kirkman

that I was at least seeing in the Houston enzymes.

Then he again got very stimmy/hyper and very irritable. I stopped

all enzymes for a few days as I got very concered with the

irritability.

I'm restarted the HNZP - just 1/4 (or less) cap for major meals. In

additon to the hyper/stimming, he is now horribly irritable & he has

become an EATING MACHINE - he is desperate to keep eating something

all day. He tantrums almost each hour as and when he gets hungry.

Its quite worrying. School will restart in 3 weeks - the teacher

will have a fit if he wants to keep eating all day and tantrumming.

My child is verbal but will not indicate pain/discomfort - maybe he

is experiencing some sort of discomfort in his abdominal area and

hence the irritability/tantrums - what accounts for the hunger? Is

there some kind of excess acidity in the stomach or something that

is causing discomfort?

Anyone experience these sort of side effects. Am I going about this

all wrong - can I give anything else to help soothe him. Should I be

trying a different brand eg: Enzymedica or something. Any advice

would be appreciated.

Saairam

We've been through various bio-med treatments through the years - in

effect his gut is still in pretty bad shape and there is huge yeast

overgrowth etc. He is very hyperactive and stimmy in general. I'm

back to trying bio-med again.

[Guest guest]

> Then I don't know what happened as he went downhill - he got

> horribly hyper and got very irritable - lots of tantrums.

Enzymes did not address all my son's food issues [and they also did

not address supplement problems at all]. For my son, he could not eat

artificials, rice, corn, and luteins, even with enzymes.

> I'm restarted the HNZP - just 1/4 (or less) cap for major meals. In

> additon to the hyper/stimming, he is now horribly irritable & he has

> become an EATING MACHINE - he is desperate to keep eating something

> all day.

This is an exact description of my son when he was eating a food or

supplement he did not tolerate.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I'm restarted the HNZP - just 1/4 (or less) cap for major meals. In

> additon to the hyper/stimming, he is now horribly irritable & he

has

> become an EATING MACHINE - he is desperate to keep eating

something

> all day. He tantrums almost each hour as and when he gets hungry.

> Its quite worrying. School will restart in 3 weeks - the teacher

> will have a fit if he wants to keep eating all day and tantrumming.

I don't know if you're child is experiencing what mine seemed to, but

when we started enzymes my ds, who was only 2 at the time, seemed

*furious* at his food. He would eat and eat (I gave enzymes with

every single meal and snack from the get-go), then get mad at his

food, and throw it, and like squeeze it furiously in his hands. I

really felt like he sensed that his food wasn't giving him the " high "

it had been before enzymes, and he was just trying to get that

feeling back.

He did settle down beautifully and we saw dramatic gains with the

enzymes. In a way I think it's somehow easier when they're little

and more under your control. I would say that since you saw progress

with the HNI enzymes, that's great news. Now it's just about playing

with type of enzymes and how much. Good luck.

[Guest guest]

I should also add that my son didn't do well on the regular ZP, I

think because of the papain and bromelain. Are you using the version

with or without those two enzymes? And if you're using regular Pep,

that also contains papain and/or bromelaim.

We also saw increased hyperactivity when we started the enzymes, but

that did settle down within three weeks.

Maybe you could try:

epsom salts baths/lotion

activated charcoal about an hour after enzymes?

Alka Seltzer GOLD after eating?

I haven't used these last two things but I've read about kids doing

well with them. You might want to review www.enzymestuff.com for

more ideas on adjustment phase.

> Hi all,

>

> I have a 9 yr old ASD kid.

[Guest guest]

I would also do a trial of the non-papain and bromelain enzymes. I

too saw gains, then a worsening (dark circles under eyes, on and off

diarreah) which did not subside, but in fact increased with the

regular Zyme Prime. When I switched to SCD Zyme Prime, I could see

within 36 hours that it had been another allergy. I then added

AFPeptizyde with no problems. His dark circles disappeared, his

bowels cleared up, and he was HAPPY. It's worth checking out if this

is the case, especially as you suspect that enzymes may do positive

things!

Judy

> Hi all,

>

> I have a 9 yr old ASD kid. He has tons of food allergies (has been

> GFCF since age 3, tried lots of bio-med in the past including oral

> chelation which has probably compounded yeast problems). Has a

> horrible yeast problem and probably has a very very leaky gut.

>

> I recently started enzymes with him around a 1.5 months back - the

> Houston HN Zyme Prime. I worked him upto around 1/2 cap for 2 weeks

> then intro the Peptidyze (1/2 cap) for another 2 weeks and then

> added in the No-Fenol. Initially I saw some pretty positive

results -

> he has loose bowels (some 4-6/day) and these got firmer and he had

> BM's only 2x/day for some 4 days or so. He also seemed a little

less

> stimmy and more focussed & his articulation seemed clearer. I

> managed to increase the dosage of HNZP & Pep to 1 cap/meal and even

> added in the No-fenol (1 or 2 per day). I saw some bed-wetting for

> the first week but that went away (luckily!).

>

> Then I don't know what happened as he went downhill - he got

> horribly hyper and got very irritable - lots of tantrums. I thought

> that perhaps since the Houston enzymes are fungal based, it was

> setting him off. I switched to the Kirkman enzymes (Complete DPP

> IV) - For a few days the tantrums seem to decline a little but he

> was back to loose & frequent stools and there was no change in

> cognition that I saw earlier ie: I saw no positives with kirkman

> that I was at least seeing in the Houston enzymes.

>

> Then he again got very stimmy/hyper and very irritable. I stopped

> all enzymes for a few days as I got very concered with the

> irritability.

>

> I'm restarted the HNZP - just 1/4 (or less) cap for major meals. In

> additon to the hyper/stimming, he is now horribly irritable & he

has

> become an EATING MACHINE - he is desperate to keep eating

something

> all day. He tantrums almost each hour as and when he gets hungry.

> Its quite worrying. School will restart in 3 weeks - the teacher

> will have a fit if he wants to keep eating all day and tantrumming.

>

> My child is verbal but will not indicate pain/discomfort - maybe he

> is experiencing some sort of discomfort in his abdominal area and

> hence the irritability/tantrums - what accounts for the hunger? Is

> there some kind of excess acidity in the stomach or something that

> is causing discomfort?

>

> Anyone experience these sort of side effects. Am I going about this

> all wrong - can I give anything else to help soothe him. Should I

be

> trying a different brand eg: Enzymedica or something. Any advice

> would be appreciated.

>

> Saairam

>

>

> We've been through various bio-med treatments through the years -

in

> effect his gut is still in pretty bad shape and there is huge yeast

> overgrowth etc. He is very hyperactive and stimmy in general. I'm

> back to trying bio-med again.