Re: AFPeptizyde vs SCD Zyme Prime & GSE - need advice

[Guest guest]

the whole point of the enzymes was to relax the need for gfcf.

also you seem to have the enzymes around the wrong way, both fillers

are scd legal and the version you have, microcrystalline cellulose

does not work with the majority of children, rice bran does.

also zyme seems the perferred version to start.

if you are familar with the scd diet at all, its guru elaine

gottschall says the gfcf diet is very destructive. this is because it

loads with fermenting type carbs.

i would guess there are major fermentation issues and zyme will be

useful. dairy intolerance cna be a side effect of this.

scd science

http://www.pecanbread.com/scdscience.html

[Guest guest]

>>I didn't get ZP since it didn't seem to address any

> problems I see currently (figured we can keep using the lactaid

since that

> did help some with dairy infractions) - should I have?

>

> I've finally decided that GFCF

If you will be gfcf, then I would recommend Zyme Prime rather than

Peptizyde.

Dana

[Guest guest]

At 08:04 AM 7/24/2004, you wrote:

>

> >>I didn't get ZP since it didn't seem to address any

> > problems I see currently (figured we can keep using the lactaid

>since that

> > did help some with dairy infractions) - should I have?

> >

> > I've finally decided that GFCF

>

>

>If you will be gfcf, then I would recommend Zyme Prime rather than

>Peptizyde.

>

>Dana

Do we need all 3 - so that they don't totally fall apart when they have an

infraction? This is what I'm trying to get a handle on. I like the idea

of the chewable - I think my boys will cooperate with that better. My 2yo

is super quick and has been having infractions left and right...

- in LA

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this helps, but as my progress report states, there

were improvements with the addition of both the AFPeptizyde and Zyme

Prime. I don't have an opinion about the cellulose vs. rice bran

benefits, but I know that papain and bromelain were not feasible for

my son. I also didn't state, but should add that we saw great gains

on the AFPeptizyde, and we are still GFCF, and have been since

starting. I will challenge dairy (and some day gluten), but we

haven't gotten there yet. This week I tried soy with enzymes (we

also were not giving my son soy or corn), but he has a red bottom

now, and softer stools, so I suspect it can't be an every day food

yet.

Also, 1 dose of the powder (the scant 1/4 teaspoon) is the same as a

capsule dose (I have both).

I did GFCF first, and while it was really hard, it got us thoroughly

away from mainstream American diet (especially because we also didn't

do soy or corn, and therefore couldn't buy anything pre-made). I

also got very good at recognizing a food reaction and pinpointing its

source. When we removed gluten, we knew right away that we were on

to something major. I don't know that there's any one right way to

start. It has to depend on your child and the needs of your family.

I think if I knew what I know now I would have started enzymes

sooner, and then experimented with food removals. I really believe

that the enzymes allowed more nutritional building blocks to be

available to my child's body. The healing and cognitive gains have

been really spectacular.

Your idea sounds good - get a plan, get your kitchen together, get

your kids eating plan in order, then start the enzymes. I personally

take all three enzyme products (not every one for every meal), to

very good effect, and I didn't think I had any particular issues to

start.

Good luck,

Judy

> I ordered AFPeptizyde and No Fenol in the SCD version since lot's

of people

> seemed to say that is the easiest to digest/work with for little

ones that

> don't take pills. I didn't get ZP since it didn't seem to address

any

> problems I see currently (figured we can keep using the lactaid

since that

> did help some with dairy infractions) - should I have?

>

> I've finally decided that GFCF is the way to go for now (and we can

> challenge with enzymes later once we have enzymes and GFCF down

pat). I'm

> a little confused about the dosing since most references are to the

> capsules. Some clarifications would be great.

>

> My 2yo had an infraction yesterday - still haven't figured out what

he got

> or where but his poops were very loose and he was sensory seeking

all night

> long (stroking mine or dad's arm from 11pm to 3am) and major

disorganized

> behavior today, looking forward to next Friday when I will no

longer be

> working and can have much closer watch on what he is eating. Still

trying

> to get hang of the diet part, did more shopping at Whole Foods

today and

> got some GF cookies that I thought I had read right but missed that

they

> had butter - didn't notice till they had eaten two - gave them our

> traditional lactaid that we've used in the past for dairy

infractions when

> we thought the problem was lactose - I had the HNI enzymes but

since I

> hadn't even opened them yet figured we'd go w/ what we knew. Both

boys

> were so hyper and out of control I figured what the heck and gave

both a

> dose of AFP (the smallest ring in the little measure cup) in some

hersheys

> chocolate syrup.

>

> Also gave each of us the first dose of GSE - 1 drop each for the

boys, 3

> drops for me - since they seemed to react when we added yeast back

in, the

> baby has a diaper rash and I've been having some yeast symptoms. I

tried

> it first in water - yuck, then put in some orange juice which was

much

> better. Gave them their drop in OJ and thought both drank it but

then

> discovered the cups hidden in 2 different places in the house.

>

> What now? I was going to wait to start the enzymes till we had a

handle on

> the diet (so I knew which cause and affect was from what). I'm

thinking

> I'll wait out the side effects of this infraction and start enzymes

once we

> have a plan, know what is causing what and have the yeast cleared up

>

> Any ideas?

>

>

> in Los Angeles, mom of

>

> Isaac: 4yrs old, Oral & Gross Motor Delay, mild Tactile Defensive

(used to

> be more SID when he was younger before lot's of intervention),

Lactose

> Intolerant? & Red Food coloring allergic (had 12 months of moderate

hearing

> loss - right tube still in, hearing finally in normal range),

finally got

> potty trained a couple of weeks ago, in Special Ed class 4

days/week 2.5

> hours with 1/2 hour pull out speech. 1 year delayed in motor

planning,

> weak muscles particularly in hand and upper extremities - starting

private

> OT in a few weeks (praying that we can get insurance coverage to

pay).

>

> : 2yrs old, SID (HYPO-everything, poor tactile

discrimination,

> dyspraxia) & Lactose Intolerant? (had 8 months of mild hearing loss

just

> got second set of PE tubes and tonsils/adenoids removed), just

starting on

> potty training. In EI preschool 3 days/week for 3 hours and OT

2x/week.

>

> Both had frenectomy to lengthen tendon under tongue, both born at

37 weeks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Do we need all 3 - so that they don't totally fall apart when they

have an

> infraction?

If you plan to give large infractions [rather than an accidental

cross-contamination or other small infraction], then you might want to

give Peptizyde, at least at first. Zyme Prime has some amount of the

enzyme to counteract infractions, but you would need to determine if

your own child would do okay with that amount of those enzymes, or

would need the stronger, larger quantity of Peptizyde.

The Zyme Prime will address other potential food issues [like starches

and carbs, some protein] and the No-Fenol will address fruits and

other similar foods.

Dana