Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Nell: I remember when you did the initial test, I was so excited to hear what you reported...that n grew years in maturity...and I remembered this was all due to treating viruses. Our son's testing showed a problem with viruses, however, our DAN doctor has us treating it with transfer factor from 4Life....she thinks if we boost his immunity that he will naturally kill off the virus. As far as his " viral " symptoms (which I dont even know if these are viral symptoms)..he has terrible scripting issues, which again, our DAN doctor said was OCD, probably from PANDAS. I know others who almost eliminated their scripting by treating bacteria (yes, using colloidal silver) and others treating viruses. Then, I know another mom who treated with working on methylation issues. All very confusing to me. You would think that by now, if a DAN sees scripting, they would know what is causing it specifically...yes, I am venting, sorry. So, in your opinion, using Virastop can and does help with viruses...and I can give this a shot? Who knows, maybe we can ditch his scripting after all. Worth trying. Thanks, any advice you have would be wonderful! Kim > > Thanks Nell: My son's OCD is getting worse and I have been trying to > > find the time to start the Lauricidin and Yeast protocols. Do you > > like the Virastop better than Lauricidin. Seems like you got the OCD > > beat with the Virastop. EIleen > > I had a weird relationship to Lauricin, lol. For some reason I was > convinced that it was going to help a lot, and kept trying it, but the > yeast always got too terrible to manage no matter how few pellets I > gave. I tried raising the dose a lot and that wasn't any better. > > At the same time I know coconut oil has been very helpful and I still > have this stubborn idea that Lauricidin is going to work someday. But > I'd have to say for n Virastop was really effective and I'm going > to do another shorter course to see what happens. > > Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi Kim Just to confuse you a little more, my son scripts when he gets Vit B12 without folic acid. Viruses bring on his visual stimming - (eg looking out of the corners of his eyes, bringing things into his visual field from under his chin or watching just one corner of the TV screen). Good luck _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jacksonsmom12000 Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 6:23 AM Subject: Re: Virastop/Nell Nell: I remember when you did the initial test, I was so excited to hear what you reported...that n grew years in maturity...and I remembered this was all due to treating viruses. Our son's testing showed a problem with viruses, however, our DAN doctor has us treating it with transfer factor from 4Life....she thinks if we boost his immunity that he will naturally kill off the virus. As far as his " viral " symptoms (which I dont even know if these are viral symptoms)..he has terrible scripting issues, which again, our DAN doctor said was OCD, probably from PANDAS. I know others who almost eliminated their scripting by treating bacteria (yes, using colloidal silver) and others treating viruses. Then, I know another mom who treated with working on methylation issues. All very confusing to me. You would think that by now, if a DAN sees scripting, they would know what is causing it specifically...yes, I am venting, sorry. So, in your opinion, using Virastop can and does help with viruses...and I can give this a shot? Who knows, maybe we can ditch his scripting after all. Worth trying. Thanks, any advice you have would be wonderful! Kim > > Thanks Nell: My son's OCD is getting worse and I have been trying to > > find the time to start the Lauricidin and Yeast protocols. Do you > > like the Virastop better than Lauricidin. Seems like you got the OCD > > beat with the Virastop. EIleen > > I had a weird relationship to Lauricin, lol. For some reason I was > convinced that it was going to help a lot, and kept trying it, but the > yeast always got too terrible to manage no matter how few pellets I > gave. I tried raising the dose a lot and that wasn't any better. > > At the same time I know coconut oil has been very helpful and I still > have this stubborn idea that Lauricidin is going to work someday. But > I'd have to say for n Virastop was really effective and I'm going > to do another shorter course to see what happens. > > Nell _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 As far as > his " viral " symptoms (which I dont even know if these are viral > symptoms)..he has terrible scripting issues, which again, our DAN > doctor said was OCD, probably from PANDAS. When I got n's results back from the viral panel I was shocked - I was expecting maybe his measles titers to be high since he has gut problems, but no, it was Epstein-Barr that was 4X the reference range. Total surprise to me. I had asked his former ped about whether his immune system was working right because (before I discovered biomed and ditched the ped) he was geting sick ALL the time. The ped dismissed my concerns, as usual. So in a way it wasn't news to me that there was this underlying viral problem, but I sure hadn't been able to pin down any symptoms or behaviors that pointed to it except for an inability to fight off viruses and infections, all of which started to improve with Feingold, got better with enzymes, and by now he doesn't get sick any more than a typical kid. Asthma almost completely gone now. You would think that by now, if a DAN sees scripting, they > would know what is causing it specifically...yes, I am venting, sorry. Venting is good! I think what's tricky is that though there are trends, it's really hard to nail down exact causes and effects. So for instance zinc deficiency often causes chewing, but not *every case of chewing is because of zinc deficiency. So maybe you start with zinc and if that doesn't work you look for parents who have fixed the chewing a different way. I've tried transfer factor with n and saw no change (I used the Heavy Metal Therapy kind), but it's always hard to say whether it contributed something that I didn't notice or what. Certainly some people have seen good results from it. > So, in your opinion, using Virastop can and does help with > viruses...and I can give this a shot? Worth trying. I think absolutely worth trying. I don't see why you couldn't do it along with the transfer factor. And thanks to 's explaining things so well, I never have any qualms about an enzyme therapy being at all risky. The success rate is high and the risk is simply that they don't work or that there's an intolerance that goes away when the enzymes are stopped -- no big deal either way. And if transfer factor + Virastop seems to be working, I'd add in Dana's OLE for even more antiviral power. And let us know what happens! Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Nell, Did you at any time use the ViraStop with the Lauricidin? I wasn't sure following this thread. I still am not sure why Lauricidin would increase yeast. Did you notice a similar increase in yeast with the ViraStop? that might indicate if it was a relationship between the virus and the yeast OR if it has something particular to do with the Lauricidin only. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 > Nell, > > Did you at any time use the ViraStop with the Lauricidin? I wasn't sure > following this thread. I still am not sure why Lauricidin would > increase yeast. Did you notice a similar increase in yeast with the > ViraStop? that might indicate if it was a relationship between the > virus and the yeast OR if it has something particular to do with the > Lauricidin only. > > . I don't understand the relationship of yeast to antivirals at all. But the behaviors and symptoms looked like yeast, and they were controlled by high doses of antifungals, so it seems like it really was yeast. So for n, he got yeast with Virastop alone although with GSE, Tanalbit, and Biocidin it was manageable. When I added OLE or Lauricidin separately, the yeast got very bad. When I added both of them, the yeast was explosive and would have required such high doses of antifungals that I backed off immediately. During the time when I'd run out of Virastop I was trying to maintain the antiviral effect with a combo of Pep (not very high dose), OLE, and Lauricidin, and the yeast was very bad *and much of the improvement he'd been getting on Virastop were gone. Anyway, I'm giving a rambling answer. Every time I've tried Lauricidin, alone or in whatver combo, yeast has always been an immediate big problem. OLE same thing but not as intense. And Virastop same thing but less intense than the other 2 -- and with Virastop, the positives quickly became apparent *and the yeast could be controlled. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nell, thank you for these posts-- i think i can bend my mind around this idea that somehow the antiviral is affecting the delicate gut balance in favor of yeast. i've noticed this with enzymes with my son-- and what you have written has given me pause as to whether we should start my son on lauricidin. i've started giving him extra virgin coconut oil- is this considered an anti-viral? catriella > > I don't understand the relationship of yeast to antivirals at all. But > the behaviors and symptoms looked like yeast, and they were controlled > by high doses of antifungals, so it seems like it really was yeast. So > for n, he got yeast with Virastop alone although with GSE, > Tanalbit, and Biocidin it was manageable. When I added OLE or > Lauricidin separately, the yeast got very bad. When I added both of > them, the yeast was explosive and would have required such high doses > of antifungals that I backed off immediately. > > During the time when I'd run out of Virastop I was trying to maintain > the antiviral effect with a combo of Pep (not very high dose), OLE, > and Lauricidin, and the yeast was very bad *and much of the > improvement he'd been getting on Virastop were gone. > > Anyway, I'm giving a rambling answer. Every time I've tried > Lauricidin, alone or in whatver combo, yeast has always been an > immediate big problem. OLE same thing but not as intense. And Virastop > same thing but less intense than the other 2 -- and with Virastop, the > positives quickly became apparent *and the yeast could be controlled. > > Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nell, I'm still not clear. What did you use to control the yeast while you were using the Virastop? So far I don't think we are seeing a yeast problem using the Virastop. Why would the Virastop increase yeast? Don't the proteases help break down the outer coating of things like viruses and yeast? I guess I am totally confused. Re: Virastop/Nell > Nell, > > Did you at any time use the ViraStop with the Lauricidin? I wasn't sure > following this thread. I still am not sure why Lauricidin would > increase yeast. Did you notice a similar increase in yeast with the > ViraStop? that might indicate if it was a relationship between the > virus and the yeast OR if it has something particular to do with the > Lauricidin only. > > . I don't understand the relationship of yeast to antivirals at all. But the behaviors and symptoms looked like yeast, and they were controlled by high doses of antifungals, so it seems like it really was yeast. So for n, he got yeast with Virastop alone although with GSE, Tanalbit, and Biocidin it was manageable. When I added OLE or Lauricidin separately, the yeast got very bad. When I added both of them, the yeast was explosive and would have required such high doses of antifungals that I backed off immediately. During the time when I'd run out of Virastop I was trying to maintain the antiviral effect with a combo of Pep (not very high dose), OLE, and Lauricidin, and the yeast was very bad *and much of the improvement he'd been getting on Virastop were gone. Anyway, I'm giving a rambling answer. Every time I've tried Lauricidin, alone or in whatver combo, yeast has always been an immediate big problem. OLE same thing but not as intense. And Virastop same thing but less intense than the other 2 -- and with Virastop, the positives quickly became apparent *and the yeast could be controlled. Nell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 What did you use to control the yeast while you were using the Virastop? GSE, Biocidin, and Tanalbit. Maybe some Candida Clear by NOW thrown in. >So far I don't think we are seeing a yeast problem using the Virastop. That's great! >Why would the Virastop increase yeast? Don't the proteases help break >down the outer coating of things like viruses and yeast? I guess I am >totally confused. Same here, lol. I don't understand the process, but I'm sure that's what was happening, both because of the specific signs like red anus ring and because the problem responded well to antifungals. If you're getting positives without having yeast that's terrific! I don't want to dissaude anyone from trying Lauricidin, I know it's worked well for some and I still have this idea it might work with n someday. Sometimes a supp doesn't work at all but then later on in the process it's a great help. Also, the bit of MCT oil (coconut) in the cellulose NHI enzymes brought improvements, and I cook with coconut oil often, so I don't know why the Lauricidin had the effect it did. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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