OT- Treating thrush while breastfeeding

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Just wondering if anyone has any experience with thrush while

breastfeeding. My 2 week old has a " whitish " tongue, and my nipple

area is somewhat sore. With my first son, he had the same symptoms,

and we went through the whole thing of Nystatin, Gentian Violet, GSE,

etc., but we never treated with Diflucan. The white tongue went

away, but I am left forever wondering if the yeast was never really

diminished, and this is what led to his gut trouble.

With this baby, his tongue is whitish, but there are no patches

anywhere else. Is any whiteness on the tongue while breastfeeding

yeast? Or can a baby have some coating and that be normal??? My

breasts are very large, and this makes it hard to get a good latch,

so that might be why I am sore. I am treating with GSE and probiotics

right now, but should I try the Diflucan??? Any thoughts?

Yeast are sooo confusing and frustrating!!

Thanks so much,

Robyn - Mom to Ronan 2.5 and Loudon 2 weeks

[Guest guest]

Hi! It has been several years since I breastfed but I had problems with my

middle one, he kept getting thrush. I knew we were passing it back and forth but

the Dr. wouldn't treat me because I didn't have any symptoms(red, flaky, itchy

nipples). My only symptom was a brief tingling sensation when my milk let

down-he said I was dehydrated. I lucked out one day, the doc wasn't in but his

PA was. She prescribed Diflucan for both of us and that took care of it. I know

other signs to look for are gas and bloating , crankiness and diaper rash but I

can't remember if just a white coating on the tongue alone is a sign I want to

say that is normal. I know there is a group online for breastfeeding. I would

post a question there.

Good Luck,

robyngillis <RobynRG311@...> wrote:

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with thrush while

breastfeeding. My 2 week old has a " whitish " tongue, and my nipple

area is somewhat sore. With my first son, he had the same symptoms,

and we went through the whole thing of Nystatin, Gentian Violet, GSE,

etc., but we never treated with Diflucan. The white tongue went

away, but I am left forever wondering if the yeast was never really

diminished, and this is what led to his gut trouble.

With this baby, his tongue is whitish, but there are no patches

anywhere else. Is any whiteness on the tongue while breastfeeding

yeast? Or can a baby have some coating and that be normal??? My

breasts are very large, and this makes it hard to get a good latch,

so that might be why I am sore. I am treating with GSE and probiotics

right now, but should I try the Diflucan??? Any thoughts?

Yeast are sooo confusing and frustrating!!

Thanks so much,

Robyn - Mom to Ronan 2.5 and Loudon 2 weeks

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I had to chime in on this one as I think about this subject a lot, and am

starting 3rd trimester of my own pregnancy with my own (still) unresolved

yeast issues.

I've been thinking lately how rotten it is that conventional medicine often

limits definitions of yeast problems/scenarios to either vaginitis or thrush

when every one of us on this board or with a kid who has leaky gut knows

knows (KNOWS) there are many different ways yeast can present in an

individual.

I think you should probably work under the assumption that you do have yeast

(whether classically defined 'thrush' or not) and that you are passing it

onto your baby. I remember with my first child (the one with the leaky

gut), neither one of us EVER presented with thrush, but in retrospect,

knowing what I know now, of course we were both contaminated. My amalgams

plus the antibiotics I (and she) received in labor - those 2 things alone

would have done us in yeast wise.

You are so smart to be getting on top of this now! DiFlucan? Not sure I'd

refuse it if somebody offered it to me! On the other hand, you may also

want to go the route of the Candex or Threelac or stuff like that. Thrush

is yeast in the breast - but if it's in the breast, whatever those

conventional meds might say about it, you KNOW it is elsewhere in your body

and until you treat the source, it is going to recur.

A semi-related story about why you cant always trust your healthcare

providers on this one: Mid-way through pregnancy with first baby, my

nipples got a little crusty. I asked the (evil) docs I was stuck with about

it and they all said " early colostrum; not to worry. " Long after I'd

stopped nursing my daughter (and when I wasn't pregnant), I found this

symptom actually recurred. Since I had an annual exam scheduled, I figured

I'd ask about it. Wouldn't you know the resident who did my annual exam

happened to have a derm specialty? She didn't blink and said " that's YEAST'

and prescribed Nystatin (which didn't work - I have since read that there

are strains increasingly resistant to Nystatin). I'm thinking to myself:

Oh. Great. That's probably what it was the first time around, right? So

now I am pregnant again, and though I thought I had yeast under control,

mid-way through, I look down and I've got the SAME problem. In much better

birth setting this time but midwife (whom I otherwise love) looks at them

and says " oh. Early colostrum. Nothing to worry about. " I know better.

Go home and treat with Gentian Violet - and guess what? It clears up! Hmm.

But we all know it wont stay gone unless I can succeed in tackling the

source.

My hunch is - whether it's 'thrush' or not, it is probably yeast, and you'll

probably need to tackle it.

Good luck,

Josie

[Guest guest]

Gentian Violet rules! :-)

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--- Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...>

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> probably need to tackle it.

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> Good luck,

> Josie

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[Guest guest]

Yes, by all means!! I meant Diflucan for the mom!!!! Sorry to be unclear!!

Josie

Re: OT- Treating thrush while breastfeeding

Diflucan might be too much for the baby's liver. I

forget how it is they should, something like 6 months

before trying it. My son was 7 or 8 months old when I

used it and it had a really big effect on him.

P

[Guest guest]

Too funny! Thanks for the clarification!

You know, come to think of it, I just read on autism_iron that it also has

fluoride in it of all things...dont know what's up with that (ie don't hold

me to it), but cant be a good thing to have another neurotoxin going in!

Josie

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I do mean that you're not supposed to use it for the

first six months of breast feeding. My son had a

really strong reaction and he was past that. I

wouldn't use Diflucan while nursing any more. It can

disrupt P450 liver enzymes and my son has P450

abnormalities any way.

[Guest guest]

I am having the same issue. Turns out for us it was just the milk sitting on

her tongue. About an hour after she's done eating her tongue is pink again.

Doctor said thrush would cause extreme pain for the nipples, and is an

infection that often causes mothers to stop breastfeeding, as it is sooo

very painful. Don't know your tolerance for pain, but mine isn't too high so

for us is not an issue. Bacteria is though. Turns out my swollen tongue was

a histamine reaction similar to my sons. We've now tripled our Culturelle

dosage, and my swollen tongue is no longer, and ph's drooling has gone

away again ( though his required the calcium butyrate and Culturelle). We

did each get a fever, mine was 102, his 101 and now we're both draining.

It's awful. Fever lasted about 16 hours. Now it's gone and it's as if we're

on the tail end of a cold. If I didn't know about die-off I'd be thinking we

caught a very odd cold.

OT- Treating thrush while breastfeeding

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> Just wondering if anyone has any experience with thrush while

> breastfeeding. My 2 week old has a " whitish " tongue, and my nipple

> area is somewhat sore. With my first son, he had the same symptoms,

> and we went through the whole thing of Nystatin, Gentian Violet, GSE,

> etc., but we never treated with Diflucan. The white tongue went

> away, but I am left forever wondering if the yeast was never really

> diminished, and this is what led to his gut trouble.

> With this baby, his tongue is whitish, but there are no patches

> anywhere else. Is any whiteness on the tongue while breastfeeding

> yeast? Or can a baby have some coating and that be normal??? My

> breasts are very large, and this makes it hard to get a good latch,

> so that might be why I am sore. I am treating with GSE and probiotics

> right now, but should I try the Diflucan??? Any thoughts?

> Yeast are sooo confusing and frustrating!!

> Thanks so much,

> Robyn - Mom to Ronan 2.5 and Loudon 2 weeks

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[Guest guest]

Hey:

I've been trying to get my brain around this one for awhile. I don't have

the studies behind me to prove it, but I think most docs falsely limit their

understanding of yeast to classic " thrush " or " vaginitis " . I never

presented w/thrush w/first baby but I *know* we had yeast - and that she

likely got it from me (Candida issues I didn't know about then and I have

amalgams and those 2 go together). I've been reading a little about things

like " intraductal " yeast and, in general I think it is totally possible

(especially for us in this risk population) to have yeast infection in

nipples that is not actually painful like classic " thrush " . ly - and

not to stray to far off topic here - I have also been thinking that the

stuff is most likely sexually transmittable and what doc would tell you

that? If mom and baby can pass yeast from mouth to nipple and back again,

just think about all the possibilities you'd have with a spouse. We all

know yeast (and bacteria) like to colonize in warm moist places. Just

thinking out loud here!

Josie

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Doctor said thrush would cause extreme pain for the nipples, and is an

infection that often causes mothers to stop breastfeeding, as it is sooo

very painful. Don't know your tolerance for pain, but mine isn't too high so

for us is not an issue.

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm calling my gyno, see if she'll check us out. Went to so much work

to change things for , would hate to see this sabotoged now. And she is

rather gassy. Not painful gassy, but toots alot. On the plus side, no spit

up. My son spit up all the time, not her. I'm thinking enzyme benefit.

RE: OT- Treating thrush while breastfeeding

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> Hey:

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> I've been trying to get my brain around this one for awhile. I don't have

> the studies behind me to prove it, but I think most docs falsely limit

> their

> understanding of yeast to classic " thrush " or " vaginitis " . I never

> presented w/thrush w/first baby but I *know* we had yeast - and that she

> likely got it from me (Candida issues I didn't know about then and I have

> amalgams and those 2 go together). I've been reading a little about

> things

> like " intraductal " yeast and, in general I think it is totally possible

> (especially for us in this risk population) to have yeast infection in

> nipples that is not actually painful like classic " thrush " . ly - and

> not to stray to far off topic here - I have also been thinking that the

> stuff is most likely sexually transmittable and what doc would tell you

> that? If mom and baby can pass yeast from mouth to nipple and back again,

> just think about all the possibilities you'd have with a spouse. We all

> know yeast (and bacteria) like to colonize in warm moist places. Just

> thinking out loud here!

>

> Josie

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> Doctor said thrush would cause extreme pain for the nipples, and is an

> infection that often causes mothers to stop breastfeeding, as it is sooo

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