Re: undigested food and supplements

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ph's stools suffered changes, including watery, undigested food, etc.

with the zinc forms we tried and with too much GSH. We haven't intro'd the

new zinc yet, and we are down to half tsp. 25 mg. of GSH a day. Seems when I

give him a supp. he can't handle, his body just sort of flushes everything

out. Reminds me of pre-enzyme period when he was so thin and I realized

despite all the nutritious food I put in him, his body wasn't absorbing it.

My little guy, you irritate his gut and he'll have it coming out everywhere.

Funny this is coming up now. We opened new box Culturelle, ( keep in mind

Kirkman is saying the casein possible cross contamination, or minute amounts

are not anything new, but that they feel obligated to mention it on the

packaging now.) We opened two nights ago, a new box of Culturelle. Within 2

hours ph was irrational/emotional, was like that all night, one upset

led to another until he fell asleep exhausted, also smeared poo in his

underwear. Next day (yesterday)was a nightmare, he didn't talk hardly at

all, emotional irrationalness continued, and he regressed ( was painting,

got thirsty and proceeded to drink the water in the cup he'd been painting

with). Today he vomited and had diarrhea so bad it was running down his leg

before he could stop it. Kept him in a pull up all day, but it didn't

continue. But he didn't poo tonight after dinner either ( dinner was white

rice, and can be constipating). I didn't give him any Culturelle last night

or tonight. It can be any number of things wrong, a nasty virus or bacteria,

could be the casein in the Culturelle ( this is a typical casein reaction

for him) or could be he doesn't need the Culturelle any longer, and this is

his body's way of telling me. There are too many maybes I know of, and some

possible scenarios I haven't thought of yet, that could be at work. I'm

calling Kirkman tomorrow though to request a Culturelle truly free of dairy.

I'll keep ph off the Culturelle for a week or so. Give his little system

a chance to level out, or for the bacteria or virus to rear its' head again,

and let me know it's not the Culturelle. The scary thing for me is, the

Culturelle brought with it conversations. Long drawn out conversations, the

kind I got briefly with some antibiotics last year. I'd hate to see a

bacteria issue run rampant in him without the Culturelle, if he truly

" needs " it. The point of this overly long and drawn out post is to say, for

my son, undigested food in poo means a supp. he doesn't tolerate. I won't

say food, because for us it's a given casein in any form does this to him

and we go to great lengths to avoid it. Their little bodies purge what they

can't handle. You're in my prayers. Nothing upsets me more than these little

red blinking lights our children seem to come equipped with that say

" warning system is malfunctioning " . I'd rather have the indicators than not.

But I'm so sad right now, things were so good. I know how good they can be,

and it makes these regressions so much more intolerable.

undigested food and supplements

> I am having a problem with my three year old son. He has had really

> bod poops for about 2 months now (before it was one good....one

> bad...ect). I recently notice (please if you have a weak stomach

> don't read this) that he is having pieces of food that are not

> digested in his poop. He had a treat the other day of GF all

> natural gummy bears. The next poop he had I saw bits of them in it.

> Then I gave him his chelation supp. in OJ with pulp and the next

> poop after I noticed that there was pulp in it (took me a little

> while as I thought they were worms!). Then I started giving him the

> kirkmans powdered minerals about 1 week ago (as he will not take any

> others and these seem to go down great in juice) well the next poop

> he had after giving these it was grainy and the grains were white,

> much like his powdered supp. and there were a lot of them in it.

> So, now I have seen my fair share of poop close up I was wondering

> if you guys have any idea what is going on. His medications are as

> follows: AFP 1 cap with each meal and snack, 1/2 NF with each meal

> and snack, provigil in the AM, GSH 100 mg in the AM, Zinc 50 mg Q

> evening (switched back to kirkmans and the hyperness went away),

> singulair 1 packet Q evening, melatonin Q pm (PRN), Chelation of

> DMSA 100mg Q 8 hours and 12.5 mg of ALA Q 8 hours every other week-

> end (last round last weekend, we are off this week-end.). I think

> that is it. If anyone can let me know what to do that would be

> great. Also, we are not on any special diet as the GF/CF/SF diet

> really didn't help one way or the other but I am seriously thinking

> of putting him back on it. We have been on enzymes for over a year

> (with a 2 week break about 2 months ago for surgery). I decreased

> the amt. he is getting because when I added them back in he seemed

> to be a bit hyper-these are the new formulas.

>

> TIA and sorry it is so long,

> Dena

> Mother of Hayden (3.8 years, 45 lbs.)

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[Guest guest]

you could have a yeast problem from chelation and inorganic mineral

supplements.

r u sprinkling the enzymes on the food?

gse is also pretty rough to be giving every day. the way the

supplements are i don't think you giving gse like this going to solve

the yeast issue.

In , " dawfogle " <dawfogle@y...>

wrote:

> I am having a problem with my three year old son. He has had

really

> bod poops for about 2 months now (before it was one good....one

> bad...ect). I recently notice (please if you have a weak stomach

> don't read this) that he is having pieces of food that are not

> digested in his poop. He had a treat the other day of GF all

> natural gummy bears. The next poop he had I saw bits of them in

it.

> Then I gave him his chelation supp. in OJ with pulp and the next

> poop after I noticed that there was pulp in it (took me a little

> while as I thought they were worms!). Then I started giving him

the

> kirkmans powdered minerals about 1 week ago (as he will not take

any

> others and these seem to go down great in juice) well the next poop

> he had after giving these it was grainy and the grains were white,

> much like his powdered supp. and there were a lot of them in it.

> So, now I have seen my fair share of poop close up I was wondering

> if you guys have any idea what is going on. His medications are as

> follows: AFP 1 cap with each meal and snack, 1/2 NF with each meal

> and snack, provigil in the AM, GSH 100 mg in the AM, Zinc 50 mg Q

> evening (switched back to kirkmans and the hyperness went away),

> singulair 1 packet Q evening, melatonin Q pm (PRN), Chelation of

> DMSA 100mg Q 8 hours and 12.5 mg of ALA Q 8 hours every other week-

> end (last round last weekend, we are off this week-end.). I think

> that is it. If anyone can let me know what to do that would be

> great. Also, we are not on any special diet as the GF/CF/SF diet

> really didn't help one way or the other but I am seriously thinking

> of putting him back on it. We have been on enzymes for over a year

> (with a 2 week break about 2 months ago for surgery). I decreased

> the amt. he is getting because when I added them back in he seemed

> to be a bit hyper-these are the new formulas.

>

> TIA and sorry it is so long,

> Dena

> Mother of Hayden (3.8 years, 45 lbs.)

[Guest guest]

I should have mentioned that I only give GSE when I notice that he

is acting yeasty. Like the giggling in the middle of the night and

the rash on the bottom. I give it for 4-7 days then I stop. I also

give him primal defense 1 scoop everyday (for the last year). Sorry

for the communication error. Trying to remember all the meds was

hard enough.

Dena

[Guest guest]

>>that he is having pieces of food that are not

> digested in his poop.

For my son, this meant he did not tolerate those foods or supplements.

>>His medications are as

> follows: AFP 1 cap with each meal and snack, 1/2 NF with each meal

> and snack,

Try adding ZP, see if that helps.

> DMSA 100mg Q 8 hours and 12.5 mg of ALA Q 8 hours every other week-

> end (last round last weekend, we are off this week-end.).

How does he do on this protocol? That is a LOT of DMSA, especially

for a 3yo child.

He also might have yeast, which can cause someone to not tolerate much

of anything.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I will order some and give it a try. As far as the DMSA goes he

seems to be tolerating it ok. He gets a little more stimmy and out

of sorts during those three days but then bounces right back. From

all that I have read a lot of children do that during chelation

cycles. I thought it was yeast too (esp. with the waking in the

middle of the night giggling) but I gave GSE (2 drops) yesterday and

all his BMs today have been liquid.....so I think it is bacteria not

yeast I am dealing with. I am thinking of heading to the HFS and

picking up some culturelle and see if that helps. I upped his

primal defense after the last liquid BM so that maybe I could get

get control over what is going on with what I have on hand. Any

other help is great and thanks for the information thus far.

Dena

[Guest guest]

liquid bms are a serious situtaion.

if it continues for too long then you are getting into colitus

territory and that sort of thing.

as i have said before chelation can cause more trouble than it solves.

gse kills both yeast and bacteria and anecdotally can allow bad

bacteria to gain the upper hand.

if the child has liquid bowel movements he has not 'bounced back'

there are children who get permanently damaged and never recover form

chelation, or more likely parents ignoring warning signs that they

should cease chelation.

you do not hear this on autism mercury because andy cutler most

unwisely has elected to censor who posts on the board.

you are also giving meds?

i am concerned enough about legal repercussions with what you are

doing to say that you should seek a doctors advise.

dana has done a lot of chelation and if she says thats a lot of dmsa

then its really unfair of you to flick that comment off.

> I will order some and give it a try. As far as the DMSA goes he

> seems to be tolerating it ok. He gets a little more stimmy and out

> of sorts during those three days but then bounces right back. From

> all that I have read a lot of children do that during chelation

> cycles. I thought it was yeast too (esp. with the waking in the

> middle of the night giggling) but I gave GSE (2 drops) yesterday

and

> all his BMs today have been liquid.....so I think it is bacteria

not

> yeast I am dealing with. I am thinking of heading to the HFS and

> picking up some culturelle and see if that helps. I upped his

> primal defense after the last liquid BM so that maybe I could get

> get control over what is going on with what I have on hand. Any

> other help is great and thanks for the information thus far.

>

> Dena

[Guest guest]

I have a call into his MD about the DMSA dosage. I understand your

concern, but he has had one liquid BM all day. He is not exhibiting

any other signs of distress (still eating and drinking just fine.).

I am a medical professional and know the signs the warrant further

evaluation should we come to that point. Thank you for the

information you have given.

[Guest guest]

> > I will order some and give it a try. As far as the DMSA goes he

> > seems to be tolerating it ok. He gets a little more stimmy and out

> > of sorts during those three days but then bounces right back.

If you can't get this situation under control, try reducing the dose

and see if that helps.

> > middle of the night giggling) but I gave GSE (2 drops) yesterday

> and

> > all his BMs today have been liquid.....

Might be bacteria, but might be intolerance to GSE. Do you give it

with No-Fenol enzyme?

Oil of oregano might help, because I have read it is good for bacteria

and yeast.

Good luck.

Dana