If you stay gluten free and take the enzymes...........

[Guest guest]

If you take the enzymes as well as staying gluten free..... what

does the enzymes break down then? I mean my son does great on the

diet! Would he even do that much better on enzymes? What would

they have left to break down (except maybe for hidden gluten) I

don't even know if that question makes sense, hopefully someone will

understand it LOL Thank you.

[Guest guest]

The enzymes still break down the food that is eaten. The DPP-IV component in

the Peptizyde formulae does break down specific amino acid links in the

gluten and casein molecules that then stop the morphine like chemicals from

forming. If you are not interested in stopping the GFCF diet, the general

enzyme

formulae, like Zyme Prime, still have proteases in them for general protein

digestion, as well as lipases for fat and whatever they are called -ases for

carbohydrates. It is a good idea for all people who eat cooked and/or processed

food to use enzymes. Howell's book is a good read for this.

Robin

In a message dated 10/7/2004 1:16:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tstak05@... writes:

If you take the enzymes as well as staying gluten free..... what

does the enzymes break down then? I mean my son does great on the

diet! Would he even do that much better on enzymes? What would

they have left to break down (except maybe for hidden gluten) I

don't even know if that question makes sense, hopefully someone will

understand it LOL Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, the Zyme Prime does not help digest the specific gluten and

casein bonds needed to go off the GFCF diet, even rarely. I would lean toward

the Peptizyde if you will only buy one so that you can hopefully go off the

diet, again even rarely. You just need to know that the Pep does not help

digest

fats and carbs. Follow your gut--you know what you need.

Robin

In a message dated 10/7/2004 12:30:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tstak05@... writes:

Will Zyme prime also help if I let him have gluten containing foods

once in a while????? I can't afford to buy two of them, so I want

to buy the best one for him. Thank you again.

[Guest guest]

Will Zyme prime also help if I let him have gluten containing foods

once in a while????? I can't afford to buy two of them, so I want

to buy the best one for him. Thank you again.

> The enzymes still break down the food that is eaten. The DPP-IV

component in

> the Peptizyde formulae does break down specific amino acid links

in the

> gluten and casein molecules that then stop the morphine like

chemicals from

> forming. If you are not interested in stopping the GFCF diet, the

general enzyme

> formulae, like Zyme Prime, still have proteases in them for

general protein

> digestion, as well as lipases for fat and whatever they are

called -ases for

> carbohydrates. It is a good idea for all people who eat cooked

and/or processed

> food to use enzymes. Howell's book is a good read for this.

> Robin

>

>

> In a message dated 10/7/2004 1:16:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> tstak05@y... writes:

> If you take the enzymes as well as staying gluten free..... what

> does the enzymes break down then? I mean my son does great on the

> diet! Would he even do that much better on enzymes? What would

> they have left to break down (except maybe for hidden gluten) I

> don't even know if that question makes sense, hopefully someone

will

> understand it LOL Thank you.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

General enzymes such as Zyme Prime help digest most foods. If you

spend any time on diet lists, you will find that in addition to

gluten and casein, most autistic kids have a laundry list of other

foods they cannot tolerate. This is because those other foods were

not broken down properly and eventually the body started reacting to

those as well. Taking enzymes will usually prevent more food

sensitivities since this cycle will be broken. Not only that, they

will help break down complex carbs which when improperly digested

become food to yeast and bacteria. As a result, taking enzymes can

help with kids that have yeast overgrowth which can aide in the

permanent healing of the gut.

>

> If you take the enzymes as well as staying gluten free..... what

> does the enzymes break down then? I mean my son does great on the

> diet! Would he even do that much better on enzymes? What would

> they have left to break down (except maybe for hidden gluten) I

> don't even know if that question makes sense, hopefully someone

will

> understand it LOL Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Kate,

Lipases help digest fats. I forget the name of the enzymes that digest

carbs. Proteases digest proteins.

Zyme Prime is a general enzyme--it has all three kinds of enzymes in it. The

Peptizyde formulae are for proteins only and they contain a specific enzyme

that helps a particular bond in the gluten and casein molecules break so that

the morphine like compounds are not formed.

You choose your enzymes based on the foods you eat and what you want to

accomplish.

HTH,

Robin

[Guest guest]

>>>>> If you take the enzymes as well as staying gluten free.....

what does the enzymes break down then?

Food eliminations help with foods you know cause problems on the

macro level (the big obvious things). But enzymes help on the macro

and micro levels. Micro or small things would be trace amounts,

contamination, hidden ingredients, etc. Enzymes also help with other

foods you don't realize are contributing to the problem.

For example, a lot of people also have problems with soy proteins

because the breakdown elements may act in the same way gluten and

casein particles do. Enzymes take care of all the foods at the same

time - they just act on the particles no matter where those particles

came from.

There might be other sources of protein peptides as well. Enzymes

will work on these internally even if researchers haven't identified

them yet.

Some peptides can be produced internally as well - breakdown of

blood, yeast or bacteria production. Enzymes tackle these as well.

And these sources can't be reached by food eliminations.

Is it good to note that just about everyone on a GFCF diet has seen

further improvement when adding enzymes. This was particularly

tracked with Peptizyde.

One reason may be that protease enzymes do more than just breakdown

food proteins. They proactively help in healing the gut, killing off

pathogens, supporting and strengthening the immune system, and some

other things. Food eliminations...eliminate foods.

In addition, most people can put foods back into the diet with

enzymes instead of having to progressively take more and more foods

out which often happens with just diets.

These are things that happen over and above what is accomplished by

the diet. You don't have to leave a diet to get these benefits if you

don't want to. The reason that people use elimination diets is

because they aren't digesting the foods, right? So tackling the issue

closer to the root cause, the point of digestion, goes farther.

Hopefully, healing the gut will improve one's own digestive function

so you eventually wouldn't need many enzymes, supplements, or food

eliminations.

Please post how it works out for you.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just thought I'd add my experience to the mix. We are still

gluten-free (plus some other frees) and using both AFP Peptizyde and

Zyme Prime with no papain and bromelain (my son did not tolerate the

other version). My son responded very nicely to Zyme Prime, and had

some gains, for instance, complete and consistent toilet training.

There were more gains when we added AFP Peptizyde. His lab tests did

show signs of deficient production of enzymes in general, and the lab

had suggested he supplement with DPP-IV. I am a " normal " adult, with

some genetic similarities to my son (his " issues " are very, very close

to my father's). I could not believe the difference it made for me to

add AFP Peptizyde (much better mood, and much better energy levels).

Other people have other experiences, and different underlying

conditions, as I'm sure you'll read. I am not a scientist, but my

gut/personal feeling/hypothesis is that if you are actually not

producing enough of these enzymes, you will be missing other important

parts of food that are needed for neurological processes and other

reactions in the body, because you won't even be getting them enough

from your other food. I think, for us, this is the reason for more

gains on enzymes, even keeping GFCF. Taking both enzymes has expanded

my son's diet, even though he is still GFCF, soy, egg, corn and

tropical fruit free. It has drastically reduced his reaction days and

off days. Even without adding No Fenol, we no longer have to watch

phenol intake. I do think it is facilitating gut healing. His stools

got darker, less pasty. For us, taking both was definitely worth the

money.

Judy

>

> If you take the enzymes as well as staying gluten free..... what

> does the enzymes break down then? I mean my son does great on the

> diet! Would he even do that much better on enzymes? What would

> they have left to break down (except maybe for hidden gluten) I

> don't even know if that question makes sense, hopefully someone will

> understand it LOL Thank you.