Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 my guess would be eggs & macadamia nuts. Eggs are full of sulfurs and lutein in the yolks that some kids react to. Macadamia nuts have salicylate (which you know) and a toxic reaction for some kids (according to " The Power of Exile " ) avisima <avismom@...> wrote: I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. My son typically reacts to salicylates by developing eczema first, and about a week later starts exhibiting poor sleep and makes self- stimulatory noises. After removing the salicylates listed in the Feingold book, my son's salicylate reactions had been absent for a while. He is on SCD and about three weeks ago we increased his macadamia nut butter, and we also started giving him Zyme Prime with papain and bromelain. He had a salicylate reaction, which I assumed was from one of those two items, so I took them both out. Two weeks later he is now showing an increased reaction with more eczema, stimming, and poor sleep. I realized that at the same time I increased the nut butter, I started giving him more eggs, since I gave him nut butter pancakes, and now he has been having 1/2 hard- boiled egg per day. I know eggs are a problem for some kids, but they are not salicylates, and this reaction looks like his typical salicylate reaction. This is the food he is currently eating: chicken, beef, cooked pears, butternut squash, acorn squash, egg, a tiny amount of cashew butter. I know squash is high in salicylates, but he has had squash for months without a salicylate problem. Recently we have been doing epsom salt baths and I kept increasing the amount because it didn't seem to be working -- we recently did one cup for 20 minutes, and it didn't help. I am now trying to determine whether this reaction is still from the earlier salicylates that he had (although I don't know why the reaction would have increased), which have not yet left his system, or if it could be from the eggs or the squash, or maybe even the epsom salts. I am desperate to figure this out because I really need to expand his diet and I can't do so without figuring this out. Someone please help! Tali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Tali, Are you giving any supplements at all at the moment? Have you tried epsom salts? Instead of looking at eliminating more foods, try the epsom salts which help process the salicylates out. www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm Also, look for an enzymes that will help digest the foods he is eating without papain and bromelain. Are you giving yogurt? If not, he might need something that will speed up the gut healing. Enzymes, probiotics, a little zinc or essential fatty acids, vitamin A (not all of these at once, but any of these may help promote gut healing). A probiotic would be helpful to get some good bacteria in the gut. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Most nuts are high in salicylates. salicylate reaction? I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. My son typically reacts to salicylates by developing eczema first, and about a week later starts exhibiting poor sleep and makes self- stimulatory noises. After removing the salicylates listed in the Feingold book, my son's salicylate reactions had been absent for a while. He is on SCD and about three weeks ago we increased his macadamia nut butter, and we also started giving him Zyme Prime with papain and bromelain. He had a salicylate reaction, which I assumed was from one of those two items, so I took them both out. Two weeks later he is now showing an increased reaction with more eczema, stimming, and poor sleep. I realized that at the same time I increased the nut butter, I started giving him more eggs, since I gave him nut butter pancakes, and now he has been having 1/2 hard- boiled egg per day. I know eggs are a problem for some kids, but they are not salicylates, and this reaction looks like his typical salicylate reaction. This is the food he is currently eating: chicken, beef, cooked pears, butternut squash, acorn squash, egg, a tiny amount of cashew butter. I know squash is high in salicylates, but he has had squash for months without a salicylate problem. Recently we have been doing epsom salt baths and I kept increasing the amount because it didn't seem to be working -- we recently did one cup for 20 minutes, and it didn't help. I am now trying to determine whether this reaction is still from the earlier salicylates that he had (although I don't know why the reaction would have increased), which have not yet left his system, or if it could be from the eggs or the squash, or maybe even the epsom salts. I am desperate to figure this out because I really need to expand his diet and I can't do so without figuring this out. Someone please help! Tali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hi According to my salicylates lists, macadamia nuts are “moderate” in salicylates (and high in amines). Cashew butter might be a better alternative as cashews are listed as “low” in both salicylates and amines. salicylate reaction? I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. My son typically reacts to salicylates by developing eczema first, and about a week later starts exhibiting poor sleep and makes self- stimulatory noises. After removing the salicylates listed in the Feingold book, my son's salicylate reactions had been absent for a while. He is on SCD and about three weeks ago we increased his macadamia nut butter, and we also started giving him Zyme Prime with papain and bromelain. He had a salicylate reaction, which I assumed was from one of those two items, so I took them both out. Two weeks later he is now showing an increased reaction with more eczema, stimming, and poor sleep. I realized that at the same time I increased the nut butter, I started giving him more eggs, since I gave him nut butter pancakes, and now he has been having 1/2 hard- boiled egg per day. I know eggs are a problem for some kids, but they are not salicylates, and this reaction looks like his typical salicylate reaction. This is the food he is currently eating: chicken, beef, cooked pears, butternut squash, acorn squash, egg, a tiny amount of cashew butter. I know squash is high in salicylates, but he has had squash for months without a salicylate problem. Recently we have been doing epsom salt baths and I kept increasing the amount because it didn't seem to be working -- we recently did one cup for 20 minutes, and it didn't help. I am now trying to determine whether this reaction is still from the earlier salicylates that he had (although I don't know why the reaction would have increased), which have not yet left his system, or if it could be from the eggs or the squash, or maybe even the epsom salts. I am desperate to figure this out because I really need to expand his diet and I can't do so without figuring this out. Someone please help! Tali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 My daughter had reactions to the Epson salt. Even 1/4 of a cup was too much for her for a while. She would be kind of wild, behaviors we hadn't seen in a while. I cut it way back and only used about a tablespoon and then only once a week. Now I am up to about 1/4 to 1/2 cup maybe twice a week and she is tolerating that fine. salicylate reaction? I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. My son typically reacts to salicylates by developing eczema first, and about a week later starts exhibiting poor sleep and makes self- stimulatory noises. After removing the salicylates listed in the Feingold book, my son's salicylate reactions had been absent for a while. He is on SCD and about three weeks ago we increased his macadamia nut butter, and we also started giving him Zyme Prime with papain and bromelain. He had a salicylate reaction, which I assumed was from one of those two items, so I took them both out. Two weeks later he is now showing an increased reaction with more eczema, stimming, and poor sleep. I realized that at the same time I increased the nut butter, I started giving him more eggs, since I gave him nut butter pancakes, and now he has been having 1/2 hard- boiled egg per day. I know eggs are a problem for some kids, but they are not salicylates, and this reaction looks like his typical salicylate reaction. This is the food he is currently eating: chicken, beef, cooked pears, butternut squash, acorn squash, egg, a tiny amount of cashew butter. I know squash is high in salicylates, but he has had squash for months without a salicylate problem. Recently we have been doing epsom salt baths and I kept increasing the amount because it didn't seem to be working -- we recently did one cup for 20 minutes, and it didn't help. I am now trying to determine whether this reaction is still from the earlier salicylates that he had (although I don't know why the reaction would have increased), which have not yet left his system, or if it could be from the eggs or the squash, or maybe even the epsom salts. I am desperate to figure this out because I really need to expand his diet and I can't do so without figuring this out. Someone please help! Tali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 > I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with > my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. I have info here, including sites with the relative salicylate content of many foods http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 , Was your daughter's reaction to the epsom salt the same as her usual salicylate reaction, or was it different? Thanks! Tali > My daughter had reactions to the Epson salt. Even 1/4 of a cup was too much for her for a while. She would be kind of wild, behaviors we hadn't seen in a while. > I cut it way back and only used about a tablespoon and then only once a week. Now I am up to about 1/4 to 1/2 cup maybe twice a week and she is tolerating that fine. > > salicylate reaction? > > > > I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with > my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. > My son typically reacts to salicylates by developing eczema first, > and about a week later starts exhibiting poor sleep and makes self- > stimulatory noises. After removing the salicylates listed in the > Feingold book, my son's salicylate reactions had been absent for a > while. He is on SCD and about three weeks ago we increased his > macadamia nut butter, and we also started giving him Zyme Prime with > papain and bromelain. He had a salicylate reaction, which I assumed > was from one of those two items, so I took them both out. Two weeks > later he is now showing an increased reaction with more eczema, > stimming, and poor sleep. I realized that at the same time I > increased the nut butter, I started giving him more eggs, since I > gave him nut butter pancakes, and now he has been having 1/2 hard- > boiled egg per day. I know eggs are a problem for some kids, but they > are not salicylates, and this reaction looks like his typical > salicylate reaction. This is the food he is currently eating: > chicken, beef, cooked pears, butternut squash, acorn squash, egg, a > tiny amount of cashew butter. I know squash is high in salicylates, > but he has had squash for months without a salicylate problem. > Recently we have been doing epsom salt baths and I kept increasing > the amount because it didn't seem to be working -- we recently did > one cup for 20 minutes, and it didn't help. I am now trying to > determine whether this reaction is still from the earlier salicylates > that he had (although I don't know why the reaction would have > increased), which have not yet left his system, or if it could be > from the eggs or the squash, or maybe even the epsom salts. I am > desperate to figure this out because I really need to expand his diet > and I can't do so without figuring this out. Someone please help! > Tali > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 I don't really know because I have never particularly pinpointed a salicylate reaction. I just know she was hyper and kind of agitated after the baths, kind of like she was on overload. Now that I think about it, her reaction to foods was often more of the giggles and hyper then a crash, not so much agitation as with the Epson Salts. salicylate reaction? > > > > I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on with > my son, and I hope someone with experience with salicylates can help. > My son typically reacts to salicylates by developing eczema first, > and about a week later starts exhibiting poor sleep and makes self- > stimulatory noises. After removing the salicylates listed in the > Feingold book, my son's salicylate reactions had been absent for a > while. He is on SCD and about three weeks ago we increased his > macadamia nut butter, and we also started giving him Zyme Prime with > papain and bromelain. He had a salicylate reaction, which I assumed > was from one of those two items, so I took them both out. Two weeks > later he is now showing an increased reaction with more eczema, > stimming, and poor sleep. I realized that at the same time I > increased the nut butter, I started giving him more eggs, since I > gave him nut butter pancakes, and now he has been having 1/2 hard- > boiled egg per day. I know eggs are a problem for some kids, but they > are not salicylates, and this reaction looks like his typical > salicylate reaction. This is the food he is currently eating: > chicken, beef, cooked pears, butternut squash, acorn squash, egg, a > tiny amount of cashew butter. I know squash is high in salicylates, > but he has had squash for months without a salicylate problem. > Recently we have been doing epsom salt baths and I kept increasing > the amount because it didn't seem to be working -- we recently did > one cup for 20 minutes, and it didn't help. I am now trying to > determine whether this reaction is still from the earlier salicylates > that he had (although I don't know why the reaction would have > increased), which have not yet left his system, or if it could be > from the eggs or the squash, or maybe even the epsom salts. I am > desperate to figure this out because I really need to expand his diet > and I can't do so without figuring this out. Someone please help! > Tali > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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