Re: Enzymes and Stool (Sorry !)

[Guest guest]

I noticed the stool change about 1 week in. Yes- I did start them all around

the same time b/c she had been on DigestRight for about 6 months. I would

think the Zyme Prime is equivilant to that so either the Peptizyde or No-Fenol

may

be to blame. Should I back off and introduce the latter two? Ia lso was not

as strict using the DigestRight with snacks.

Keri

[Guest guest]

Thanks. She does not seem bothered by the loose stools- just sort of confused

that they are not " clean " like she is used to (Toilet paper would literally

be " clean " after wiping- they were that solid.... Thanks for the input. I will

probably stick with what we are doing. We are about to embark on the TD- DMPS

so hopefully that will emininate the gut bug issue. We had been doing DMSA for

2 years..... Keri

[Guest guest]

You didn't mention if you started all 3 at the same

time or not. Either way, there is an adjustment

period for most, however starting all 3 makes it a lot

more obvious. My daughter had bacteria die off with

start up but not my son. Everyone is very different.

How long has the stool change been going on?

P

--- kerielwell@... wrote:

> Ok- prior to startig my 5 yea rold on the enzymes

> (no- denol, zyme prime and

> peptizyde, ) her stools wer well formed, solid and

> brown. Trophy like if you

> will. Since the enzymes, they are loose, like thick

> pudding and smell awful. Is

> this die off? Am I giving too much enzyme? I am

> doing about 1/2 capsule of

> each (ZP and Peptizyde per meal and No- Fenol in am

> and pm at a 1/2 capsule

> unless she has a high phenol snack. ) Although the

> stool used to look normal I

> always suspect she has yeast. Even when her labs

> come back with yeast, her

> stool always looks good. We had done gf/cf for a

> year when she was 2-3 with no

> results. I decided to try the enzymes again- in lieu

> of the diet, always

> thinking we have missed something. I am just very

> concerned about how her bowel

> habits have changed. Any thoguhts? Sorry for the

> potty talk! Keri

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[Guest guest]

Keri,

No problem with your descriptions. Actually, the more descriptive the

better. Animal scientists and livestock producers spend an large

amount of time analyzing the animals output for signs of what is

going on with the animals health. So it's quite appropriate.

The Zyme Prime would be roughly like the DigestRight as you said, and

these don't tend to have that big an impact on yeast/bacteria. The

Peptizyde would, and the No-Fenol can have a big impact on yeast in

particular. Starting all of them would

Very loose stools or diarrhea is a sign the body is trying to flush

out something it doesn't like. It could be loosened waste stuck in

the intestines, yeast die-off, pathogens, or something you ate.

Considering that new enzymes started and your suspected yeast, die-

off would be expected. The smell is a big giveaway that this is

putrifying gunk being expelled...either stuck fecal matter or bad gut

bugs. I would just stick with the level of enzymes you are giving if

the situation is tolerable, as suggested. It should pass soon.

You might want to give more water or liquids to help flush it out.

Your child might have gut gurggling or a little bloating with this

cleaning out too.

If it is too intolerable or your child is too uncomfortable, then cut

back on either the No-Fenol or Peptizyde and have the adjustment go

slower. Then with it resolves, you can increase the enzyme dose and

eventually start the other enzyme.

.

[Guest guest]

> Ok- prior to startig my 5 yea rold on the enzymes (no- denol, zyme

prime and

> peptizyde, ) her stools wer well formed, solid and brown. Trophy

like if you

> will. Since the enzymes, they are loose, like thick pudding and

smell awful.

This sounds somewhat like my kids. I discovered they did not tolerate

all foods, even with enzymes. They also did not tolerate most supplements.

>>Although the stool used to look normal I

> always suspect she has yeast. Even when her labs come back with

yeast, her

> stool always looks good.

This is also a possibility.

Dana

[Guest guest]

i think it would pay to list what other supplements you are giving

since some can be quite laxative.

watch dmps and mercury being mobilsed into the eyes, i remeber one

woman on a-m going slowly blind on dmps.

a hair test would benefit as well. building the gut innate imune

system is the only way to get rid of gut bugs.

enzymes are most efficent sprinkled on food

> Thanks. She does not seem bothered by the loose stools- just sort

of confused

> that they are not " clean " like she is used to (Toilet paper would

literally

> be " clean " after wiping- they were that solid.... Thanks for the

input. I will

> probably stick with what we are doing. We are about to embark on

the TD- DMPS

> so hopefully that will emininate the gut bug issue. We had been

doing DMSA for

> 2 years..... Keri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

She is on alot of supplements but prior to the enzymes they did not cause any

laxative effect-

Brainchild Nutritionals

NAC

CAl-MAg

PureKids

Learner's Edge

ProEPA

CLO

Vit C

Probiotic Pearls/ Primal Defense rotated

Mag Sulfate cream

Grapeseed Extract

I think once we stop doing the weekly DMSA the gut bugs should calm down. Dr.

Bradstreet does not believe in hair tests so I would have difficulty getting

one of those. We do toxic urine metal tests every 3 months or so. She is a

highy toxic lead kid at this point (with some mercury, nickel, and tin) so the

metals themselves cause gut issues. The TD DMPS is brand new formulated by Dr.

Buttar and Boyd Haley presented at the Autism One Conference and is having

amazing results so I am hopeful. (We did have good results with DMSA) Thanks

for the info. Keri

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C- its a pinch of the Kirkman's Bufferrred Vitamin C. What doesn't

make sense to me is why since the enzymes we are having a laxative effect. She

has been on Vit C for years....

I am content with the toxic metal urine tests and do not feel the need to do

a hair analysis again. We did one almost 3 years ago when we first started

with the DAN! doc Dr. Berger, before seeing Dr. Bradstreet. What is the benefit

to the hair analysis verses urine toxic metal?

[Guest guest]

> She is on alot of supplements but prior to the enzymes they did not

cause any

> laxative effect-

> Vit C

Too much vitamin C can be laxative. How much are you giving?

> I think once we stop doing the weekly DMSA the gut bugs should calm

down. Dr.

> Bradstreet does not believe in hair tests so I would have difficulty

getting

> one of those.

You can order it yourself thru Direct Lab Services, if you want

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Dana

[Guest guest]

>>>She is on alot of supplements but prior to the enzymes they did

not cause any laxative effect-

too much vitamin C can be laxative (Dana said that) and the enzymes

might very well be enabling the vitamin C you are givin more

absorbed than before. This is commonly reported. Before enzymes, much

of the supplements may be passing on out the body because of poor

absorption of anything (food, meds, or supplements). So once you

start enzymes, foods, meds and supplements are better absorbed by the

body. Thus, you might find you are now supplementing too much. It is

very common to not needs nearly as many supplements with enzymes,

just as special food eliminations are quite often no longer needed.

This is very good. It indicates the gut is functioning better and you

are getting better nutrition from your food. Also, you might find

that a lower dose of any medications works better....or perhaps the

medications are no longer needed at all.

.

[Guest guest]

> Vitamin C- its a pinch of the Kirkman's Bufferrred Vitamin C.

How many mg is in " a pinch " ?

What doesn't

> make sense to me is why since the enzymes we are having a laxative

effect. She

> has been on Vit C for years....

already made my comment LOL

The enzymes might be allowing better absorption of the vitamns, so

your child does not need as much.

> I am content with the toxic metal urine tests and do not feel the

need to do

> a hair analysis again.

No problem.

We did one almost 3 years ago when we first started

> with the DAN! doc Dr. Berger, before seeing Dr. Bradstreet. What is

the benefit

> to the hair analysis verses urine toxic metal?

Hair analysis can give you info on which minerals you might want to

supplement. You can also apply the " counting rules " , if you want.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Dana