Re: Enzymedica - Purify / enzymes and viruses

[Guest guest]

>> Thank you for your very informative post. Would you

recommend taking a break from chelation while dealing with viruses

and how long generally did people find it took to deal with a virus?

Jacinta,

That would depend on what you are doing for 'chelation'. If you are

going with antioxidants, then I would just continue with those while

doing any anti-viral work. But if you are on a fancier more specific

protocol with strict timing and dosing schedules, then you might to

stop that while you try treating viruses. This is just so you can

tell what is going on which would be harder with the on/off/on/off

type protocols.

The on/off/up/down behaviors and symptoms might be confusing if you

are doing that AND you end up with the stair-step pattern of virus

activity. You would need to keep an eye on the stair-step pattern to

know when would be a good time to increase the dose of enzymes. This

is my best evaluation at this point. Hopefully, over time, more

information will come up on this.

As far as time to deal with a virus, I really can't say at this

point. The advice was to increase the enzymes until the regression

periods stopped, then treat at this level for 3 weeks, and then try

to decrease the enzymes. Hopefully, the improvements will hold and

there won't be any regression. If you see any sustained regression

while decreasing the enzymes, then increase the dose again by a few

capsules and continue another week. Then try to decrease the dose

again.

This is a rough guide. Again, more experiences will need to be

reported to see if this is a good guideline or if refinements are

needed.

While researching this, it did seem that people with viruses had

it 'for life'. And that they would periodically have flare-ups

depending on their stress levels, health, and other things happening

in their life. So you could increase the enzymes again for a week or

so to kill the flare.

One of the objectives also under consideration was to test if higher

quantities of enzymes would be effective. The 'therapeutic dose' of

this particular product was given at 9-15 capsules between meals. Or

higher. It did make a difference for some of the participants to go

to that higher dose. In fact, one person was seeing nothing at all

and it looked like it wasn't doing a thing so I called Enzymedica and

ask about baselines and when should one call it quits. The reply is

that for this use, get at least to 12-15 capsules per day before

deciding. And sure enough, at about 9 capsules the improvements

started.

This might be a good baseline to keep in mind. If someone has viruses

and is using Peptizyde, you might want to try this dose for a week

and see if it helps (I know cost becomes a factor at this level).

.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In your discussion with Enzymedica did they say whether adult and

child doses differ for this purpose? In other words, should doses for

children be scaled back in proportion to the fraction of an standard

adult's weight (e.g. 120 or 150lbs.) or do they need the same dose as

an adult regardless of body weight?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>>>> In your discussion with Enzymedica did they say whether adult

and child doses differ for this purpose?

Not really. It was rather to go by response to the person's reaction.

If a couple capsules were doing a good job then that is where you

start. If it took up to 9 capsules, then that is where you go. It

might have much more to do with the intensity and nature of the viral

problem rather than the age and weight of the individual.

I will ask about it.

If any of the participants want to chip in here with your experiences

and views, feel free to go ahead.

.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " jornmatt " <kjorn@t...> > If

any of the participants want to chip in here with your experiences

> and views, feel free to go ahead.

>

> .

Hi everyone,

I'm terribly behind on posts but I'll jump in to say a few things

about the Purify experience for n. He responded well right at

the beginning, and then followed the course described: first

some outbursts, then great improvement, then waning...increased

number of capsules, same cycle. I got up to 16 Purify a day, given in

4 doses between meals (in some ways that is the hardest part, finding

enough time between snacks).

I hadn't ever figured this out before, but for n it seems that

his viral symptoms are wild hyperactivity with some OCD thrown in,

and vocal stimming. His usual reaction (to yeast, bacteria, food

intolerances) is aggression and mean pestering, but I found that *not

to be a part of the viral cycle. BUT inexplicably I did find that

yeast was worse with the viral treatment; although it responded to

treatment I do have to hit it hard.

At one point I ran out of Purify and WOW it was amazing to see what

happened. He went from doing quite well to being really out of it,

hooting and screeching, then crowing and clucking, not responding

when spoken to, constantly jiggling some part of his body, his eyes

glassy. The symptoms diminished with OLE and went away with more

Purify.

The improvements are calmness and a much increased mental focus.

n is quite bright but often he doesn't seem to be able to think

very clearly -- not so much distractable as dreamy. That now goes

away for long stretches and he's so much more excited about learning

(I'm homeschooling him, so I see it up close.)I'd also say his social

awareness is much better too, although yeast messes that up in a

hurry.

At the moment I'm experimenting with using some Purify and some Pep

between meals. He was getting a cold earlier in the week so I've been

giving even more and adding OLE too, and it's thrilling to see that

the cold is not progressing as it usually does -- no need for the

nebulizer and he's fighting it off well.

One other thing -- I'm chelating him using Andy Cutler's low-

dose/high frequency protocol. I waited to start a round until I saw

what kind of reaction the Purify was having. If he was fighting too

much yeast I put the round off. So anyway I'm kind of doing both but

not sticking to any strict chelation schedule, remiding myself it's a

marathon not a sprint and all that....

Nell

[Guest guest]

> I hadn't ever figured this out before, but for n it seems that

> his viral symptoms are wild hyperactivity with some OCD thrown in,

> and vocal stimming.

Similar to my son. Hyper plus loss of language, will tend to play by

himself rather than with his siblings, loss of attention/focus, some OCD.

>>BUT inexplicably I did find that

> yeast was worse with the viral treatment; although it responded to

> treatment I do have to hit it hard.

Yep, this viral-yeast is NASTY. I sure would much prefer to be

dealing with the yeast pre-chelation.

What works for this yeast for your child? I have mine on FOUR

different yeast killers, and if I forget even ONE, he regresses into

typical brain-yeast symptoms.

Thanks

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> What works for this yeast for your child? I have mine on FOUR

> different yeast killers, and if I forget even ONE, he regresses into

> typical brain-yeast symptoms.

>

> Thanks

>

> Dana

I have to say I have not got this figured out yet. I've been giving

him GSE, plenty of probiotics (which at least he tolerates now),

Biocidin, uva ursi, Tanalbit, and something from Thorne's called

SF722 (or something like that -- it's a kind of castor oil). But I'm

afraid I've been a little erratic and it's unclear what's working and

what isn't. Today I started lowering the Purify dose and I cut out

the OLE altogether.

What else are you giving besides GSE and uva ursi?

Nell

[Guest guest]

> I have to say I have not got this figured out yet. I've been giving

> him GSE, plenty of probiotics (which at least he tolerates now),

> Biocidin, uva ursi, Tanalbit, and something from Thorne's called

> SF722 (or something like that -- it's a kind of castor oil). But I'm

> afraid I've been a little erratic and it's unclear what's working and

> what isn't. Today I started lowering the Purify dose and I cut out

> the OLE altogether.

>

> What else are you giving besides GSE and uva ursi?

Caprylic acid and garlic.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you again

I've been trying anti-viral for us (I am breastfeeding so I take

them and my son gets treated also) with great success...he has been

so happy and chatting more than most children his age or older. He

has also been more active (he is not as active or able to jump,

climb or run as well as others his age or younger)...I had been so

sick myself that I geniuinely thought I was dying....then with the

anti-viral I have felt almost normal again.

I tried to stop them and we paid for it. Speech became slurred and

he became tired and very cranky etc and I once again felt like death

barely warmed up. So I increased and increased and now we are in a

holding pattern. Not sure whether to increase again or start

decreasing ...

1. I got a very infected finger and I think that was bacterial so I

added some arginine and it went within a few hours.

Does this mean I am hitting it too hard or can I control things with

arginine as they flare up?

2. My son has a cold which causes occasional pain in his ear...I am

trying to control it without antibiotics and we are doing ok so

far...does this mean taht I am hitting it too hard? I wonder if I

need to scale back a bit. I assume it is bacterial and perhaps from

the high anti-viral protocol?

Thanks for any insights.

Jacinta

>

> >> Thank you for your very informative post. Would you

> recommend taking a break from chelation while dealing with viruses

> and how long generally did people find it took to deal with a

virus?

>

>

> Jacinta,

>

> That would depend on what you are doing for 'chelation'. If you

are

> going with antioxidants, then I would just continue with those

while

> doing any anti-viral work. But if you are on a fancier more

specific

> protocol with strict timing and dosing schedules, then you might

to

> stop that while you try treating viruses. This is just so you can

> tell what is going on which would be harder with the on/off/on/off

> type protocols.

>

> The on/off/up/down behaviors and symptoms might be confusing if

you

> are doing that AND you end up with the stair-step pattern of virus

> activity. You would need to keep an eye on the stair-step pattern

to

> know when would be a good time to increase the dose of enzymes.

This

> is my best evaluation at this point. Hopefully, over time, more

> information will come up on this.

>

> As far as time to deal with a virus, I really can't say at this

> point. The advice was to increase the enzymes until the regression

> periods stopped, then treat at this level for 3 weeks, and then

try

> to decrease the enzymes. Hopefully, the improvements will hold and

> there won't be any regression. If you see any sustained regression

> while decreasing the enzymes, then increase the dose again by a

few

> capsules and continue another week. Then try to decrease the dose

> again.

>

> This is a rough guide. Again, more experiences will need to be

> reported to see if this is a good guideline or if refinements are

> needed.

>

> While researching this, it did seem that people with viruses had

> it 'for life'. And that they would periodically have flare-ups

> depending on their stress levels, health, and other things

happening

> in their life. So you could increase the enzymes again for a week

or

> so to kill the flare.

>

> One of the objectives also under consideration was to test if

higher

> quantities of enzymes would be effective. The 'therapeutic dose'

of

> this particular product was given at 9-15 capsules between meals.

Or

> higher. It did make a difference for some of the participants to

go

> to that higher dose. In fact, one person was seeing nothing at all

> and it looked like it wasn't doing a thing so I called Enzymedica

and

> ask about baselines and when should one call it quits. The reply

is

> that for this use, get at least to 12-15 capsules per day before

> deciding. And sure enough, at about 9 capsules the improvements

> started.

>

> This might be a good baseline to keep in mind. If someone has

viruses

> and is using Peptizyde, you might want to try this dose for a week

> and see if it helps (I know cost becomes a factor at this level).

>

> .

[Guest guest]

>

> >> Thank you for your very informative post. Would you

> recommend taking a break from chelation while dealing with viruses

> and how long generally did people find it took to deal with a

virus?

>

>

> Jacinta,

>

> That would depend on what you are doing for 'chelation'. If you

are

> going with antioxidants, then I would just continue with those

while

> doing any anti-viral work. But if you are on a fancier more

specific

> protocol with strict timing and dosing schedules, then you might

to

> stop that while you try treating viruses. This is just so you can

> tell what is going on which would be harder with the on/off/on/off

> type protocols.

>

> The on/off/up/down behaviors and symptoms might be confusing if

you

> are doing that AND you end up with the stair-step pattern of virus

> activity. You would need to keep an eye on the stair-step pattern

to

> know when would be a good time to increase the dose of enzymes.

This

> is my best evaluation at this point. Hopefully, over time, more

> information will come up on this.

>

> As far as time to deal with a virus, I really can't say at this

> point. The advice was to increase the enzymes until the regression

> periods stopped, then treat at this level for 3 weeks, and then

try

> to decrease the enzymes. Hopefully, the improvements will hold and

> there won't be any regression. If you see any sustained regression

> while decreasing the enzymes, then increase the dose again by a

few

> capsules and continue another week. Then try to decrease the dose

> again.

>

> This is a rough guide. Again, more experiences will need to be

> reported to see if this is a good guideline or if refinements are

> needed.

>

> While researching this, it did seem that people with viruses had

> it 'for life'. And that they would periodically have flare-ups

> depending on their stress levels, health, and other things

happening

> in their life. So you could increase the enzymes again for a week

or

> so to kill the flare.

>

> One of the objectives also under consideration was to test if

higher

> quantities of enzymes would be effective. The 'therapeutic dose'

of

> this particular product was given at 9-15 capsules between meals.

Or

> higher. It did make a difference for some of the participants to

go

> to that higher dose. In fact, one person was seeing nothing at all

> and it looked like it wasn't doing a thing so I called Enzymedica

and

> ask about baselines and when should one call it quits. The reply

is

> that for this use, get at least to 12-15 capsules per day before

> deciding. And sure enough, at about 9 capsules the improvements

> started.

>

> This might be a good baseline to keep in mind. If someone has

viruses

> and is using Peptizyde, you might want to try this dose for a week

> and see if it helps (I know cost becomes a factor at this level).

>

> .