Re: help! ready to take off enzymes

[Guest guest]

Hi: I am not experienced enough to tell you what to do only tell you where

we are with all this. First my son is an adult and we started 2 months ago.

It has definetly helped his bowels, we did see hyper in the beginning and

then started on candex for yeast issues and culturelle just because it is a

good bacteria. I also introduced magnesium calcium and inositol (for OCD)

and he did not tolerate any of these things. I stopped these and we started

getting some really bad aggression last week that just came and went,

actually the aggression started before we stopped the magnesium and

inositol. School saw alot of anxiety and agitation also. So with a very

heavy heart I decided that my son just was not tolerating the enzymes. I

believe that my sons gut is just so damaged and there must be underlying

issues that I cant figure out on my own right now. He is going for

extensive tests in February and I will be able to really see what is going

on with him. I do believe we are on the right track, just that maybe we are

on the wrong step right now. What I mean by this is that if there is

another issue I need to tackle first before we can really see the positives

of the enzymes. We will be doing enzymes again and I pray that it will be

when he is better able to handle them. We have been trying things for so

many many years with our guy and this is the first thing I have explored

that truly makes any sense. I know this doesnt help you to make your

decisions but I thought you might want to know that you are not alone.

Eileen

>From: " rbnbilling " <rbnbilling@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: help! ready to take off enzymes

>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:06:45 -0000

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>We just started Houston Enzymes about a week ago. AFP peptizide and

>Zyme Prime. My son is absolutely nuts. He is climbing counters,

>hyper beyond belief, losing control sensitive visually, covering his

>eyes and will not listen to his earphones for listening thereapy.

>I don't know if I can take this anymore or if it is doing him any

>good. I don't know if he is

>sensitive to the enzyme or possibly having some kind of die off.

>

>I read that usually they hyperactivity is controllable. This really

>isn't. He is 3 years old but very strong and presistant in what he

>wants and does not listen.

>

>Has anyone experienced this? Please let me know because he seems

>like he is not tolerating this. If I knew it would get better in 3

>weeks I would try to put up with it.

>

>thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello!

We are into our second week on Pep and our first on ZP. The first

week, at half dosage per meal (Breakfast, lunch and dinner) and 1/4

on snacks. My 8 year old was very hyper and VERY pointy and

assertive. He has one major meltdown as well as speaking VERY

LOUDLY. We weathered that storm and I am happy to report that this

week he has been very calm, very nice and happy .

An example would be like follows.. : Before the enzymes, asking him

to get off the video games would be met with an automatic rebuttal

of " just a second " and " in a minute " . Finally having to demand that

he get off the game and even perhaps turning it off would send him

into a whinny and slighty upset mood that would last about 10 mins.

During the first week of enzymes, asking him to get off the video

games would be met with " WHY!? " and " Just a minute! Your not the

boss! " then whoa unto the inhabitants if your turn it off (this is

what set off the meltdown).

We weathered the storm. When asked now, he simply hits pause, comes

to us and asks " what? " . It is a BIG change. yeah, there is a little

fussing now and then but he seems more conscious of his behavior now

and is no longer rude / pointy about getting off. My wife has also

noticed that he has been more focused on his morning lessons (yup..

he does school work while on Christmas break).

I guess the question is: How much are you giving him? Whatever that

is, back it down to half and see if that helps.

>

> We just started Houston Enzymes about a week ago. AFP peptizide

and

> Zyme Prime. My son is absolutely nuts. He is climbing counters,

> hyper beyond belief, losing control sensitive visually, covering

his

> eyes and will not listen to his earphones for listening

thereapy.

> I don't know if I can take this anymore or if it is doing him any

> good. I don't know if he is

> sensitive to the enzyme or possibly having some kind of die off.

>

> I read that usually they hyperactivity is controllable. This

really

> isn't. He is 3 years old but very strong and presistant in what

he

> wants and does not listen.

>

> Has anyone experienced this? Please let me know because he seems

> like he is not tolerating this. If I knew it would get better in

3

> weeks I would try to put up with it.

>

> thanks

[Guest guest]

I agree with the last post that asked how much are you giving? Did

you start very slow and low with only one enzyme? An adjustment

period is very common. My son's adjustment only lasted about 2

days. His toughest adjustment was to the AFP Pep. He was very

hyper, somewhat agressive, whiney, etc. Look for any positives. If

you see positives, then you can be assured that it is most likely

die off. For my son, his positives were; not eating so fast, not as

messy when eating, increase in language. Depending on what you are

giving and when, I would suggest backing down as well. Start with

one enzyme at 1 meal. Say 1/4 cap or 1/32 of a tsp of Pep (usually

the hardest to adjust to). Give at one meal. Then after a few

days, give the same amount at 2 meals, then after a few days the

same amount at 3 meals. Then up the amount at 1 meal etc. Make

sure he is tolerating the amount before upping. Also, you may want

to consider epsom salt baths to help with detox. Keep in mind, that

you may want to start with just a small amount of the salts in a

bath and work up with that as well.

Hope that helps!

>

> We just started Houston Enzymes about a week ago. AFP peptizide

and

> Zyme Prime. My son is absolutely nuts. He is climbing counters,

> hyper beyond belief, losing control sensitive visually, covering

his

> eyes and will not listen to his earphones for listening

thereapy.

> I don't know if I can take this anymore or if it is doing him any

> good. I don't know if he is

> sensitive to the enzyme or possibly having some kind of die off.

>

> I read that usually they hyperactivity is controllable. This

really

> isn't. He is 3 years old but very strong and presistant in what

he

> wants and does not listen.

>

> Has anyone experienced this? Please let me know because he seems

> like he is not tolerating this. If I knew it would get better in

3

> weeks I would try to put up with it.

>

> thanks

[Guest guest]

The withdrawal reactions can vary considerably. If it is more than you can

take, feel free

to stop the enzymes for a few days til things settle back down, then re-start at

very low

amounts and work up very gradually. Some have to increase doses extremely

slowly over

a longer time than others. If he is not tolerating the enzymes, the intolerance

will usually

show up at any dose, no matter how small.

We've heard these concerns many times with new users, 90% usually resolve

successfully.

The holidays may not be the best time to start enzymes, either. There is enough

going on

without added complications of withdrawal reactions!

Devin Houston

>

> We just started Houston Enzymes about a week ago. AFP peptizide and

> Zyme Prime. My son is absolutely nuts. He is climbing counters,

> hyper beyond belief, losing control sensitive visually, covering his

> eyes and will not listen to his earphones for listening thereapy.

> I don't know if I can take this anymore or if it is doing him any

> good. I don't know if he is

> sensitive to the enzyme or possibly having some kind of die off.

>

> I read that usually they hyperactivity is controllable. This really

> isn't. He is 3 years old but very strong and presistant in what he

> wants and does not listen.

>

> Has anyone experienced this? Please let me know because he seems

> like he is not tolerating this. If I knew it would get better in 3

> weeks I would try to put up with it.

>

> thanks

[Guest guest]

Could you please post what dose he is currently taking of what

enzymes? In the meantime, go ahead an sharply reduce the dose by at

least half....or stop altogether for a few days. With a more injured

gut OR yeast this can happen particarly if proteases (Peptizyde in

this case) is started too quickly. Starting slowly with just a lower

protease product, or Zyme prime here, for a few weeks and then

gradually adding in the proteases separately has been very helpful

for many in similar situations.

This may be what mccandless was calling 'too strong'. However, since

enzymes are so very helpful in several aspects of gut healing, the

answer isn't just to toss out the entire method (the all or nothing;

or one-size-fits-all approach)...but to adapt to the individual

situation (the treat-every-person-as-the-individual-they-are

approach).

Also, are you using the papain/bromelain enzymes or the ones without?

That might make a difference.

If you still aren't sure and want to try something else, you can

consider Carbo by Enzymedica. This has no fillers or

papain/bromelain/actinidin and is very very low in proteases. It has

served well in some harder to fit cases especially in the beginning

of gut healing (but is not for replacing GFCF if you get to that

point or it is a goal of yours).

It is true that not every one with autism also has a gut or diet or

nutrition problem, but usually you wouldn't see any reaction...not

even a negative one.

.

[Guest guest]

>

> We just started Houston Enzymes about a week ago. AFP peptizide and

> Zyme Prime. My son is absolutely nuts.

Be sure you are using the SCD version Zyme Prime.

I would drop them for a week or two, then start back at 1/2 capsule of

ONE of them, not both.

You also might consider No-Fenol, if his hyper is related to phenol

intolerance.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Yes, we had absoloutely awful behaviours of every kind. We very nearly gave

up at the three week point when he just woke up one morning a changed child.

It really was as simple as that.

I really do sympathise with you, I remember it as if it were yesterday! My

advice, give it the full three weeks if you can bear it before making a

decision.