yet --more ?'s about biocidin and probiotics...

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Maureen wrote: Hi! I've treated my son (3.6 y.o.) for the last several

weeks with small doses of GSE. Yesterday he did not have any GSE, and

today his stools are finally formed. I would like to treat him with

Biocidin now. Should I continue the GSE when starting the Biocidin...

Maureen,

I'd suggest using one antifungal at a time, so I would switch to just

Biocidin for a few days. I wanted to tell you about what I have done

that's kept yeast away very successfully for us and some others who've

tried it for over 2 years now.

This rotating natural antifungals approach involves using several

yeast killers, one at a time, 4 days each. I think that different

specific antifungals may work better for each kid, but I'm not sure

how important it is to pick the " right " ones, as each one probably

does a little different job to help keep candida down, and/or kill it.

I think the most important thing is to find some that the child

tolerates well, and then just keep doing it, adding probiotics or

other things to help make things tough for the yeast as you go, to

tweak it until it seems to help. The reason for giving one at a time

is that the yeast builds up resistance to each one, so by shifting

gears every few days, you keep it off balance, and hopefully weaken

it. I give moderate doses for the child's weight, but not real high

ones. Once yeast is under control this seems to be plenty to keep it

that way.

Here's what I do:

Probiotics I give all the time: Theralac and Primal Defense. If we

haven't had much candida sometimes I drop the Primal Defense, but when

we see a flareup of it, I give it again for awhile, as it really seems

to help. Theralac we use all the time.

Antifungals, we do them one at a time, in any order, 4 days each, i.e.

4 days of Uva Ursi, then

4 days of Grapefruit Seed Extract, then

4 days of Biocidin, then

4 days of either Thorne SF-722 or Oregon Grape tincture, or Garlic, or

something else I'm trying out

A few notes on these products:

- Uva ursi is an herb. I use it in a tincture form from Gaia Herbs.

I chose it as one of my tools because testing indicated that it would

probably be effective in killing my son's candida. Some kids may not

tolerate it well, as it's a little strong. I give this mixed with his

liquid vitamins.

- I buy Grapefruit Seed Extract in concentrated drops at the health

food store, Nutribiotic brand. Grapefruit Seed Extract kills good

flora as well as bad, so definitely not something to over-use. Just

using it 4 days at a time seems to be fine for us, but I use it as

kind of a last resort, only if I really think we have active yeast.

GSE is also not recommended for use by people on SSRI medications. My

son takes zoloft, and yet seems able to use GSE without problems, but

like I said I don't use it often. GSE may be a little phenolic, so

you'll have to see if your child tolerates it (like everything! ;-) I

give this mixed in his liquid vitamins.

- Biocidin is made by Biobotanical research (there is another product

of this name, so make sure you get the right one). I buy it in a tiny

bottle of drops, and the dosage is like 10 drops a day, not much at

all. It is an anti parasite, anti bacterial and anti fungal, so I

like using it. I also give this mixed with his liquid vitamins.

- Thorne SF-722 is an oil cap from the castor bean, and I understand

that it is a pretty mild antifungal. You may want to read up on it.

It's easy to take as a gel cap, but I'm told that it tastes terrible

if you squeeze the oil out. The good thing about it being mild is

maybe it's easier on the body/better tolerated, and of course the bad

thing is it may not fight yeast as well as the others. Of course in a

rotation like this one, not every player has to hit a home run, and

you may want to use mild things as well as strong ones, to keep is

easier on his body. I give this with the pills he takes.

- Others I try once in awhile include garlic, caprylic acid, oregon

grape, and there are many more of course.

- You could theoretically include a prescription antifungal as part of

your rotation or rotate several. I know some people who do this. My

biggest concern about prescription ones is that they seem to clean out

the body so completely that the gut is laid bare, very vulnerable for

new bad guys to move in. So if you go on a prescription antifungal,

make sure to add a natural one when you finish the rx, to help keep

that nice healthy gut have a fighting chance.

Now that yeast is well under control, I don't do this all the time

anymore, but maybe a week or two every month, in response to any

yeasty symptoms. When yeast was flaring up all the time, I did this

continually for months.

I got a lot of good information at the following website, although I

use different specific products, my approach is very similar to this:

www.modernherbalist.com .

Good luck!

Terri

(please write me at terri @ mykland.com, not at this hotmail address)

[Guest guest]

Terri, you lost me here. I understand the 4 day rotation of different

antifungals, but what are you doing when you only do it for a week or two?

A one or two day rotation?

Thanks,

Terri wrote:

Now that yeast is well under control, I don't do this all the time

anymore, but maybe a week or two every month, in response to any

yeasty symptoms. When yeast was flaring up all the time, I did this

continually for months.