Re: my son can't tolerate the Brainchild vitamins

[Guest guest]

We have tried 3 times now to give the Spectrum Support Brainchild

vitamins and minerals to my son and he just can't tolerate them. I

want to try a different kind of vitamin but need help. Does anyone

have another suggestion? A different brand? Good ideas for how to have

his vitamin/mineral levels checked to see where he is deficient? I've

tried the minerals separate, the vitamins separate, doing VERY slowly

with doses for each and both. I want to return them and start with

someone else (they were a FORTUNE) but dont think that will be

possible at this point.

feeling frustrated

kyra, mom to wyatt

[Guest guest]

What other nutrients are you giving, if any? Are you following a

special diet? What was Wyatt's reaction to enzymes?

Thanks,

.

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks for responding.

I've been giving wyatt cod liver oil, and HNI enzymes (peptizyde and

Zyme Prime--we worked up to dose slowly the past few months) and he

responded very well but now I'm about to try the GFCF diet for a while

just to see. he's having such a hard time going to sleep (ALWAYS has

been a terrible sleeper - still wakes up during the night several

times and is almost 4 years old) and is very itchy, lately has been

complaining about itching bum, itching inside his ears, has been itchy

on his back and arms the last couple of months on and off at bedtime.

generally he's a good eater and i give him good whole foods, easy on

sugar, no chocolate, not much juice, but now i think i have to at

least try to eliminate possible culprits and see what happens. i want

to give him a good multi vitamin and also wonder about other

supplements AND have been wondering about melatonin. any feedback

would be so appreciated. thanks!

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> What other nutrients are you giving, if any? Are you following a

> special diet? What was Wyatt's reaction to enzymes?

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> Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

All that itching says " yeast " to me.

very itchy, lately has been

complaining about itching bum, itching inside his ears, has been itchy

on his back and arms the last couple of months on and off at bedtime.

[Guest guest]

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> We have tried 3 times now to give the Spectrum Support Brainchild

> vitamins and minerals to my son and he just can't tolerate them. I

> want to try a different kind of vitamin but need help. Does anyone

> have another suggestion?

My son needed higher doses of several B vitamins, and low or NO dose

of certain other B vitamins. You might want to consider going to your

local health food store and purchasing all the Bs as individuals, then

give them one at a time to see which one/s your child needs. Then,

once you figure it out, try adding a B50. I did this, it is the

subject of my next update [tomorrow] and it was very informative.

Dana

[Guest guest]

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> Hi , thanks for responding.

> I've been giving wyatt cod liver oil, and HNI enzymes (peptizyde and

> Zyme Prime--we worked up to dose slowly the past few months) and he

> responded very well but now I'm about to try the GFCF diet for a while

> just to see. he's having such a hard time going to sleep

Try adding No-Fenol.

Sleep issues are commonly caused by phenol intolerance and/or yeast

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>>and is very itchy, lately has been

> complaining about itching bum, itching inside his ears, has been itchy

> on his back and arms the last couple of months on and off at bedtime.

How much IU of vitamin A [CLO] do you give him daily? Itchy can mean

yeast, but it can also mean vitamin A toxicity.

It can also mean B6 toxicity or a few other things.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Kyra,

I'm not at the office right now, so I can't look up which formulas you've

tried. If you haven't given our Ultra-Sensitive Formula a try, that's the

next one, I'd say. We'd be happy to talk about getting some of your money

back for the ones you can't use.

If you're on Ultra-Sensitive and your child is as reactive as you describe,

I'd say you're down to only being able to try one nutrient at time to try

to figure out what is causing the reactions. I'm not trying to brag when I

say that I don't think you'll find a multivitamin that is cleaner than

ours, just trying to save you time/frustration..

Here's another thought for you: You may want to think about doing Bioset

treatment for your child. It's a therapy where they test to see which

substances your body is not tolerating, then treat you to desensitize

you. It's a little bit like muscle resistance testing. Bioset is done

with a computer and two contact points on your hands, and is non-invasive

and possible to do on kids, although it can take some time. It's one of

the 'voo-doo' treatments -- pretty out there, but if you find someone good

at doing it, many moms tell me it's been helpful for them in increasing the

effectiveness and tolerance to supplements. It can be billed as

acupuncture, which some insurance will cover. I'm just thinking that if

your child is reactive even to our minerals, they must be very sensitive

indeed, and may be reacting to many things around them that you're not even

aware of. Bioset tests for other substances as well as foods and

nutrients, such as chemicals, molds, etc. If you tell me where you live

(on or off list), I'll ask around to a bunch of moms I know on another

list, and maybe someone knows a practitioner in your area.

Terri at Brainchild

(the above are not official Brainchild recommendations or medical advice of

any kind, just mom to mom)

At 05:56 PM 1/1/2005, you wrote:

>We have tried 3 times now to give the Spectrum Support Brainchild

>vitamins and minerals to my son and he just can't tolerate them. I

>want to try a different kind of vitamin but need help. Does anyone

>have another suggestion? A different brand? Good ideas for how to have

>his vitamin/mineral levels checked to see where he is deficient? I've

>tried the minerals separate, the vitamins separate, doing VERY slowly

>with doses for each and both. I want to return them and start with

>someone else (they were a FORTUNE) but dont think that will be

>possible at this point.

>

>feeling frustrated

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>kyra, mom to wyatt

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[Guest guest]

My 4 year old daughter is on the sensitive formula (don't have the

exact name in front of me). You've probably already gone this slow

but I'll give what we did just in case it helps. The instructions

said to start with 1/8 of the recommended dose so for us that was 1/8

tsp. If I got the littlest bit more I had a grouchy kid! So I had

to be very careful with the dosing. I also only started with just

one meal. After this for a few weeks I am now just adding the 1/8

tsp to a second meal and I'll wait a couple weeks before adding it to

the 3rd meal then I'll slowly increase the dose from there. We are

also only doing the minerals at this time and won't add the vitamins

until the minerals are well established at all three meals and close

to the recommended dose (or a dose she tolerates well). If you

haven't already e-mailed Terri, do as she can help work through it.

I can definately tell a difference in my daughter with these

minerals! She really has the happy child effect, she's very cute,

comes up with many novel answers and has been so much fun (a big

bonus for the holidays). She is high functioning and has expressive

and receptive language but this has just added a new dimension.

Best Wishes!

Becky

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> We have tried 3 times now to give the Spectrum Support Brainchild

> vitamins and minerals to my son and he just can't tolerate them. I

> want to try a different kind of vitamin but need help. Does anyone

> have another suggestion? A different brand? Good ideas for how to

have

> his vitamin/mineral levels checked to see where he is deficient?

I've

> tried the minerals separate, the vitamins separate, doing VERY

slowly

> with doses for each and both. I want to return them and start with

> someone else (they were a FORTUNE) but dont think that will be

> possible at this point.

>

> feeling frustrated

>

> kyra, mom to wyatt

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this is helpful to you, but just thought I'd mention that

it took a long, long time for us to work up to one tsp each of

vitamins and minerals. For my son, it was worth the patience. At

one tsp. of each, we are still two doses away from what

is " appropriate " for his weight (1-1/2 tsp of each). Just a few days

ago I've started increasing his dose, EVER so slightly. Even an

extra 1/8 of each, if that, is causing excessive energy and

stimming. But, we're also getting a lot of extra language, too. So

for us, it's been very, very worth it to " do the BrainChild dance, "

as my hubby calls it. We just have to take it extremely slowly, with

everything we add, including the BrainChild. FWIW,

> My son, a super-reactor, is also sensitive to the Brainchild

vitamins and

> minerals. I've been giving him one drop per day of the Sensitive

formulation for

> about a month, starting by alternating one drop Vit one day, one

drop Mins the

> next. Yesterday I tried two drops of vitamins, and he was hyper and

silly all

> day.