RE: HELP-Need an Antibiotic?

[Guest guest]

Kari,

The first thing I would ask is if the doctor cultured any sputum? If not,

this can still be viral pneumonia/bronchitis. Ask for a sputum culture. It is

not

quick but it is the best resource for determining if this is viral or

bacterial. In addition, they can determine the drug that will best fight

whatever

bacteria it is, if it is bacterial. Are the symptoms more viral or

bacterial--what kind of fever is she running? What kind of sputum or nasal

discharge is

there?

Also, I know there is controversy but I really like colloidal silver.

Have you done any homeopathy?

Robin

[Guest guest]

Kari,

Garlic is a great antibacterial although I truthfully have never heard of it

combatting full blown bronchitis.

While OOO and caprylic acid are natural remedies, I am not certain they are

homeopathic remedies. If possible, thumb through at a bookstore Everybody's

Guide to Homeopathic Medicines by Cumings MD. The chapter to look at is

on cold, coughs and related conditions. There is a long list of possible

remedies; the one you give is based on symptoms, including things like

clinginess,

type of nasal discharge, ype of cough (dry or wet)...

Sputum is basically phlegm. (Think spit up) It is the mucus production from

the bronchial system.

Of course, as a last resort, antibiotics may be necessary. Remember, there is

a time and place for everything. The problem with antibiotics is their

widespread use. I always try natural and homeopathic remedies first, and of

course I

get adjusted; usually this works. There was one time when was an

infant I was running 104 for over one week. I finally went to the doctor and

took

the antibiotic. I did have pneumonia. I did better after a few days. I really

needed the antibiotic that time. That was over 7 years ago. (Just an aside, the

doctor wanted me to take five drugs! I only took two--the antibiotic and one

other thing--I think the inhaler)

Good luck. Go with your gut. You're a good mom.

Robin

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately we've been down this road so many times I am fairly certain it is

bacteria. With her design, she gets a viral cold, that must settle, and then

bronchitis sets in. Perhaps similar to kids that get ear infections, which at 8

she has never got. You get to know the bronchitis as a distinct rattle. As a

baby she would get a cold; bronchitis; wheezing/asthma with albuteral breathing

treatments. Which is always why I knew something was up with her asthma because

it always came along with what started out as a viral infection. Then all of a

sudden this all stopped, and she would rarely get colds. We used the nebulizer

for the first time in 3 years last year, and now I'm thinking about pulling it

out again. As for the nasal discharge, it is clear. What is sputum? Do you

know how long it takes to culture?

I have her on OOO and caprylic acid for homeopathy. I was just recalling all of

the amazing stories of garlic curing ear infections. I have some garlic pills

so I'll try. But the magic with the garlic was to put it in the ears so not

sure if it would work for this.

thanks,

Kari

Re: HELP-Need an Antibiotic?

Kari,

The first thing I would ask is if the doctor cultured any sputum? If not,

this can still be viral pneumonia/bronchitis. Ask for a sputum culture. It is

not

quick but it is the best resource for determining if this is viral or

bacterial. In addition, they can determine the drug that will best fight

whatever

bacteria it is, if it is bacterial. Are the symptoms more viral or

bacterial--what kind of fever is she running? What kind of sputum or nasal

discharge is

there?

Also, I know there is controversy but I really like colloidal silver.

Have you done any homeopathy?

Robin

[Guest guest]

Kari,

I don't know the particulars of those antibiotics...and you can also

look into colloidal silver (what I found successful on bad bacteria

in the gut). But if you go with a prescription antibiotic, it is nice

if it can also target an existing bacteria problem. Very nice.

Also, don't fret too much over doing a prescription antibiotic,

because it is for a limited time...not forever. And it would be used

appropriately as needed. You can remember to give a probiotic at the

end of the antibiotic round. That is the important part. Alternative

things are good in their place and prescription stuff in their place.

It doesn't have to be all of one or the other.

One of the best descriptions of this is something I heard at a local

conference by a local pharmacist who greatly believed in alternative

measures...and in medications as appropriate. He put it this way, " If

I get run over by a car, I don't want some well-meaning person to

come out and throw a bunch of herbs on me. I want someone to come and

stitch me up properly. But I don't need a surgeon for every ache and

pain. "

.

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Actually I've often thought about your story of how you said you

went in and used an antibiotic with your son's bacteria problem. But would be

nice to know that I'm doing something for the bad bacteria problem. Also have

to admit part of the reluctance is still the anger in loading her up over all

the years and never thinking of or being told of a probiotic.

I've seen and read of many stories in how treating yeast with diflucan and such

often brings it back with a vengeance. But was wondering if bacteria

overgrowths were more forgiving. Typically have you heard of those coming back

after pharmaceutical treatments? Also wondering about GSE fro this?

Thanks,

Kari

Re: HELP-Need an Antibiotic?

Kari,

I don't know the particulars of those antibiotics...and you can also

look into colloidal silver (what I found successful on bad bacteria

in the gut). But if you go with a prescription antibiotic, it is nice

if it can also target an existing bacteria problem. Very nice.

Also, don't fret too much over doing a prescription antibiotic,

because it is for a limited time...not forever. And it would be used

appropriately as needed. You can remember to give a probiotic at the

end of the antibiotic round. That is the important part. Alternative

things are good in their place and prescription stuff in their place.

It doesn't have to be all of one or the other.

One of the best descriptions of this is something I heard at a local

conference by a local pharmacist who greatly believed in alternative

measures...and in medications as appropriate. He put it this way, " If

I get run over by a car, I don't want some well-meaning person to

come out and throw a bunch of herbs on me. I want someone to come and

stitch me up properly. But I don't need a surgeon for every ache and

pain. "

.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kari,

Just out of curiosity, why would they do the shot instead of an oral?

And why all these strange brands? I used to have allergic brinchitis -

same thing, you get a cold and boom - now you have bronchitis. I just

wonder if they are suggesting these weird antibiotics to full some pharm

rep quota or something. I mean geez - I guess if I need my kid to have

an antibiotic - I would ask for Z-pak or something - take it once a day

for 5 days and be done with it. Then load up with probiotics for a good

14 days.

I like the idea of a culture... The question is how long will it take,

and can she wait. I have heard excellent results from coloidal silver...

Depends on the kid and how you feel about the risks. Same with anything.

HELP-Need an Antibiotic?

[Guest guest]

>>'s cold is turning into bronchitis.

My sons have both had bronchitis. Fortunately only once each.

I learned to get some sort of mucus thinning product down them if a cold

lasted longer than 2 days and showed any sign of heading to the lungs. Can

be herbal or pharmaceutical. Pharmacy should sell something that says it

'Loosens phleghm'. I use something called Flemex but I doubt it is

available in the US. I do use herbs (mullein, chickweed, elderberry) as

well to stop it before it starts, but Flemex is the one pharmaceutical I

wouldn't be without if I had a kid with bronchitis tendencies. The thinning

of the mucous helps them cough it up and prevents the cold turning into

bronchitis. Basic problem is the nose is running mucous into the lungs and

then the bacteria or virus in the mucous causes and infection there (I

think).

Also I use a vaporiser as well. Helps ease the coughing.

Don't know if you want to try the herbal route, but here is what I did at

the stage you are at now. Put on a vaporiser. Then boil a pot of hot

water, add some herbs (mullein, chickweed and lobelia) and let steep. Soak

in a small towel and place directly on the chest or back. Wring it out

first. (Obviously check the heat level on your inner arm or face so as not

to burn the patient.) Cover with another towel, then a plastic bag. Leave

on for 10-15 minutes. Repeat after a rest of 10 minutes or so. (I did it

3-4 times I think, but can't remember for sure.) The heat and these herbs

breaks up the mucous and helps them sleep. I sat up with both boys (they

were wheezing and had fast shallow breathing) for hours in the middle of the

night doing this treatment, but it worked and they were much better the next

day. Fully recovered in 2-3 days. The older one cooperated, the younger

one fought me, cried and complained, but I persisted. I was also giving an

elderberry syrup with echinacea in it - Sambucol in the US is probably very

similar. I would guess you can get a mix of herbs to use for the compress

from the HFS.

I've got a good book on remedies. For the future, you might check into a

product called Bronc-Ease from Nature's Herbs. It apparently helps as well.

ClearLungs from RidgeCrest Herbals is also listed. (My book is written for

Americans, but since I'm not there, I don't know where to get these things -

the HFS?)

HTH

Abby

[Guest guest]

Hi Abby,

Thanks for the tip. I held out today hoping the OoO would kick in, but by the

end of the day it was settled in. This is only the second time in 4 years, but

memories came rushing back hearing that gurgle she used to have at least 2-3

times a year her first 3 years. So I started with the antibiotic. One that

will kill out the bacteria they found on her stool test, so at least that's a

positive. And as others mentioned I am doubling up the probiotic efforts. As

for this phlegm buster idea, I will check it out. If anyone else is prone here,

the key for something like this is to be prepared. When it hits, it hits hard

and fast.

Thanks again to all!

Kari

RE: HELP-Need an Antibiotic?

>>'s cold is turning into bronchitis.

My sons have both had bronchitis. Fortunately only once each.

I learned to get some sort of mucus thinning product down them if a cold

lasted longer than 2 days and showed any sign of heading to the lungs. Can

be herbal or pharmaceutical. Pharmacy should sell something that says it

'Loosens phleghm'. I use something called Flemex but I doubt it is

available in the US. I do use herbs (mullein, chickweed, elderberry) as

well to stop it before it starts, but Flemex is the one pharmaceutical I

wouldn't be without if I had a kid with bronchitis tendencies. The thinning

of the mucous helps them cough it up and prevents the cold turning into

bronchitis. Basic problem is the nose is running mucous into the lungs and

then the bacteria or virus in the mucous causes and infection there (I

think).

Also I use a vaporiser as well. Helps ease the coughing.

Don't know if you want to try the herbal route, but here is what I did at

the stage you are at now. Put on a vaporiser. Then boil a pot of hot

water, add some herbs (mullein, chickweed and lobelia) and let steep. Soak

in a small towel and place directly on the chest or back. Wring it out

first. (Obviously check the heat level on your inner arm or face so as not

to burn the patient.) Cover with another towel, then a plastic bag. Leave

on for 10-15 minutes. Repeat after a rest of 10 minutes or so. (I did it

3-4 times I think, but can't remember for sure.) The heat and these herbs

breaks up the mucous and helps them sleep. I sat up with both boys (they

were wheezing and had fast shallow breathing) for hours in the middle of the

night doing this treatment, but it worked and they were much better the next

day. Fully recovered in 2-3 days. The older one cooperated, the younger

one fought me, cried and complained, but I persisted. I was also giving an

elderberry syrup with echinacea in it - Sambucol in the US is probably very

similar. I would guess you can get a mix of herbs to use for the compress

from the HFS.

I've got a good book on remedies. For the future, you might check into a

product called Bronc-Ease from Nature's Herbs. It apparently helps as well.

ClearLungs from RidgeCrest Herbals is also listed. (My book is written for

Americans, but since I'm not there, I don't know where to get these things -

the HFS?)

HTH

Abby

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[Guest guest]

>> Held out today hoping the OoO would kick in, but by the end of the day it

was settled in.

When it gets bad, I think you do have to do something. Cause getting

pnemunia wouldn't be good at all. But next time, you'll be ready for it!

Hope she gets better fast.

Abby