Re: Cathy - Mineral clay (Terramin) and metals

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sending the additional information. I did study the Terramin

online yesterday, even reading the section about how Native Americans would eat

poison, then the clay, and not get sick. I was all ready to order it, when I

found the listing of the componants. I know you've told me twice now that just

because it contains arsenic doesn't mean it will be harmful for my

arsenic-toxic son, but this is something I can't take lightly. It would be

incredibly

difficult to knowingly give my son something to injest containing arsenic, while

also realizing his hair test shows him to be in the red in arsenic. I just

can't seem to get past this stumbling block.

Do you know of people who have been toxic in heavy metals who have used the

Terramin?

Thanks,

Debbie

In a message dated 6/22/2004 4:26:15 PM Central Daylight Time, cathylynn2@ma

c.com writes:

> In case you want another take on the subject of the safety of edible

> clay for detoxing, here is what Ray Kong from California Earth Minerals

> had to say about trace metals in the Terramin:

>

> > Elements on the periodic table that are in the natural form are vastly

> > different from man made highly

> > processed elements such as aluminum in airplanes or lead in paint. Its

> > the

> > industrial processing that make most substances toxic, such as

> > separating

> > naturally combined atoms of these elements into one for industrial

> > uses.

> > When these elements are in their natural state, these elements are

> > combined

> > forming compounds that are safe. Example, hydrogen when industrially

> > processed changing its molecular structure, is very lethal

> > (bombs,fuels,etc.), however in its natural state when mixed with oxygen

> > becomes water.

> > Calcium montmorillonite holds a very powerful negative charge that

> > when

> > attracted to positively charged toxins, bacterium, etc., combine and

> > draw

> > out these elements to be eliminated through the normal channels of

> > elimination.(detoxification)

> >

>

> Just as an added note, my father's side of the family is largely native

> American, and they have been ingesting this type of clay for

> generations. My great-grandfather (who is still alive and quite well

> at 104 years old) told me that the clay is so effective, you can ingest

> poison and take the clay right afterwards and not get sick. I guess

> traditionally when they had to scavenge for things to eat and there was

> something questionable like a plant toxin, they would take eat clay

> along with it just in case. This was when I started taking it an

> giving it to my daughter who has been known to eat ANYTHING. Beats

> Ipecac!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Both of the references you mentioned talk about using clay baths, not

injesting the Terramin clay. I've already been giving my son the LL Magnetic

Clay

Baths. Honestly, I haven't seen them help him at all, but at least I feel they

don't hurt him either. I'm really stumped because my son is so heavy metal

toxic, and has responded really poorly to DMSA and ALA.

And I truly appreciate the efforts you're putting into discussing this!

Something new for me to consider, anyways!

Thanks,

Debbie

In a message dated 6/22/2004 6:01:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

clively@... writes:

> Debbie, FWIW, there is one example of clay appearing to help with mercury

> toxicity at:

>

> http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercurytoxicity.html

>

> Here's another one at:

>

> http://www.magneticclay.com/science.shtml

[Guest guest]

Debbie, FWIW, there is one example of clay appearing to help with mercury

toxicity at:

http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercurytoxicity.html

Here's another one at:

http://www.magneticclay.com/science.shtml

" The analysis above shows before and after LL's Magnetic Clay Baths.The

client, a female, underwent forty (EDTA) chelation treatments, eight DMPS

mercury detox chelation treatments and two sets of DMSA oral treatments.

A Ten Hour Urine Analysis from Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory on the

4th of June, 1998, revealed still high levels of arsenic, cadmium, lead ,

and mercury in her body even after her many sessions of chelation therapy!

Her MD at the Great Smokies Medical Center, Inc. had her get in touch with

LL's Magnetic Clay Company and told her to get four baths. She decided to do

five baths and took two Arsenic Detox baths and three Dental/Mercury Detox

baths in a period of two months.

After these five baths, another laboratory urine analysis was done on

February 4, 1999 at Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory. The results of the

test showed that after five baths, all the toxic metals were below average! "

....

This is not much in terms of evidence/support for the theory that clay is a

safe and nontoxic way to address heavy metal issues, but I did speak with

Ray Kong on the phone today to see if he could provide an answer to your

question, and he said that he himself has been ingesting clay for decades.

He's 67, but you would never know it by talking to him on the phone. What a

young, strong voice he has. I had assumed at the beginning of our

conversation that he was my age (45), or younger, and so was surprised when

during the course of our conversation (we talked for an hour), he mentioned

his age.

Ray told me that he just recently had a heavy metals test done, and the

results indicated that the levels of heavy metals in his body were low.

His mother just passed away; she was 100. She also had been ingesting clay

every day for decades.

He also told me other stories about friends and relatives who were sick and

started ingesting clay, and what were the results of that.

Again, this is all purely anecdotal.

I'm going to try and contact someone at the Gerson Institute

(www.gerson.org), and see if they can tell me anything that might be of more

use to us. They've been using Terramin for decades in their treatment

programs.

I certainly hope that this turns out to be a good avenue to walk down; that

I haven't wasted anyone's time by bringing this subject up.

Carol Lively

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

That wasn't me providing the clay bath references, that was Carol;

however, I can share with you that I had lead poisoning as a child,

from a number of different sources. I started taking clay when I was a

teenager, and Terramin several years ago. I had my first hair test

before I got pregnant and there was absolutely no trace of the lead. I

have no idea what other metals the clay might have taken care of in

myself, but I can tell you I am metal free at this point. I have no

doubt it was due to the clay.

On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, at 05:38 PM, TwoTonks@... wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Both of the references you mentioned talk about using clay baths, not

> injesting the Terramin clay. I've already been giving my son the LL

> Magnetic Clay

> Baths. Honestly, I haven't seen them help him at all, but at least I

> feel they

> don't hurt him either. I'm really stumped because my son is so heavy

> metal

> toxic, and has responded really poorly to DMSA and ALA.

>

> And I truly appreciate the efforts you're putting into discussing this!

> Something new for me to consider, anyways!

>

> Thanks,

> Debbie

>

> In a message dated 6/22/2004 6:01:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

> clively@... writes:

>

>

> > Debbie, FWIW, there is one example of clay appearing to help with

> mercury

> > toxicity at:

> >

> > http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercurytoxicity.html

> >

> > Here's another one at:

> >

> > http://www.magneticclay.com/science.shtml

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i'm not stumped your son is responding poorly to ala and dmsa.

a-m is effectively a censored board, you don't get the other and

truer side.

poasitng a hair test would be helpful for people to comment, but

geenrally most of the mienrals have to be supplemented and then the

heavy metals will displace

theres no way i would take ala or dmsa without an adequate background

minerlisation anyway esp selenium

> Hi ,

>

> Both of the references you mentioned talk about using clay baths,

not

> injesting the Terramin clay. I've already been giving my son the LL

Magnetic Clay

> Baths. Honestly, I haven't seen them help him at all, but at least

I feel they

> don't hurt him either. I'm really stumped because my son is so

heavy metal

> toxic, and has responded really poorly to DMSA and ALA.

>

> And I truly appreciate the efforts you're putting into discussing

this!

> Something new for me to consider, anyways!

>

> Thanks,

> Debbie

>

> In a message dated 6/22/2004 6:01:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

> clively@s... writes:

>

>

> > Debbie, FWIW, there is one example of clay appearing to help with

mercury

> > toxicity at:

> >

> > http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercurytoxicity.html

> >

> > Here's another one at:

> >

> > http://www.magneticclay.com/science.shtml

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is a good selenium to take? I mean, that is more absorbable,

and with lesser side effects... (and yeast free, SCD legal, if

possible)

Coral

[Guest guest]

aprox 0.425 mcg/lb *each* of the source naturals selenomethionine

(yeast free) tablets (200mcg cut down) and the lef.org

methylselenocysteine (capsules, you open and tip out a portion

directly into the mouth) a day and taken together. sodium or any

selenite is not suitable. occasionally i will take an extra 50 mcg of

methlyselenocysteine or selenomethionine depending. these products

are yeast free and scd legal. sodium or any selenite is not suitable.

occasionally i will take an extra 50 mcg of methlyselenocysteine or

selenomethionine depending.

> What is a good selenium to take? I mean, that is more absorbable,

> and with lesser side effects... (and yeast free, SCD legal, if

> possible)

>

> Coral