Re: High in aluminum & antimony

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In a message dated 3/6/04 4:17:18 AM, karitrautman@... writes:

<< Anyone ever seen a situation where these metals could be a major root

cause? I guess I will now add figuring out how to reduce these down to the

list.

>>

n did not meet the counting rules either, but had high aluminum,

antimony, and arsenic. As well as terrible gut problems. As for spectrum/not

spectrum

-- I think of almost all of it now as intoxication of one sort or another. In

other words, not ASD but mercury intoxication.

Chelation, Andy Cutler's protocol, is helping him immensely -- his issues are

mostly mood/social/sensory, and he is a completely different child on-round.

Last night (started a round yesterday after a 2-wk break) he and the little

sister decided they wanted to sleep together, so they got into pajamas and

brushed teeth and snuggled in bed asking me to tell them a ghost story. The

background is that n couldn't stand for his little sister to be in the same

room

until he started enzymes, and after chelation (especially on-round) they are

now great friends and playmates. I NEVER thought this would happen.

Nell

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flip it on its head.

she is on spectrum and likely some mercury accumulation in fatty

tissue which unfortunately incudes the brain. it is hard to believe

how retentive mercury is in fatty tissue.

high aluminium and antimony is impaired minerals transport and likely

mercury is a factor.

there's largish amounts of aluminium in foods and the body has

mechanisms to cope with it..if its high its symptomatic of membrane

permeablity problems and impaired minerals transport.

the counting rules will pick extreme body toxicity of mercury and

have nothing to say about accumulation of mercury in fatty tissue.

i'm not trying to be mean but not every mother has a natural feel for

these issues and perhaps you might be among that number and might be

more cautious about forming opinions.

its a long slow process to put the pieces together and you would be

advised to post the full hair test. i didn't know any of the labs did

fluoride.

theres mostly no pain and torture except adult expectations or

projections.

pj's or matresses with antimony?

> I was wondering if anyone has ever seen anything to substantiate my

theory on my 8 yr old daughter. She is not on the spectrum, but does

suffer from yeast/bacteria overgrowth and a few food intolerances. I

just got her hair test back, and it confirmed most likely she is not

suffering from mercury. (I used the counting rules and not even

close.) This is what I expected as she really does not have a lot of

the spectrum personality traits. In fact, she is kind of the

opposite. She acts absent minded; forgetful; and not sure how to say

this diplomatically, but she's just not real quick. She's labeled

with a learning disability that they just can't quite figure out but

with ALLOT of extra effort she manages to keep up. By nature very

easy going, except as the yeast/bacteria has been growing over the

years her Jekyll/Hyde personality has really been kicking in. But

going through this experience I've realized that she actually is

quite anxious and has low self esteem, just processes it inwardly so

many don't see it. Painfully shy and embarrassed to socialize with

her peers. She has expressed she knows she is different, and can't

quite keep up physically or mentally with the " normal " kids. Funny

how my close friends and family think I'm nuts and try to tell me

that's just her personality, but they don't see the pain and torture

she is in as she has really worked hard at hiding it. Almost like

shameful and embarrassed to be in her skin. Yet leave it to kids to

sense out a weakness/problem in other kids, they know and

conveniently keep their distance.

> Now seeing her hair test, which all was OK except moderately high

in antimony & VERY high in aluminum, this makes me think that those

must be playing a role in mental capacity. I am certain how this

played out was the antibiotics/prendasone she took when she was young

wiped out her gut creating the overgrowths, and then the 4 glasses of

tap water she consumed daily for 5 years on a leaky gut would explain

where she got the aluminum from. She also is high in fluoride, which

is compliments of our water too. (I now have reverse osmosis). I am

very familiar with Alzheimer's, and I even have described some of her

mild tendencies of reminding me of it! Such as often twisting words,

like she used " parts " instead of the word " years " , and always

reverses early/late. Anyone ever seen a situation where these metals

could be a major root cause? I guess I will now add figuring out how

to reduce these down to the list.

> Thanks,

> Kari

>

>

>

>

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> Now seeing her hair test, which all was OK except moderately high

in antimony & VERY high in aluminum, this makes me think that those

must be playing a role in mental capacity.

Consider removing sources of current exposure

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

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Kari,

My daughter is EXACTLY like this. Everything you said I could say about

Gabe- she is 7. She is high in aluminum, mild in antimony- and did not

meet the counting rules. In fact, her toxicity didn't look all that bad

- however she has some strange element results. It would be interesting

to compare the hair test results. Lately, her explosive reactions have

been so bad - we are having her evaluted. Same issues, doesn't use

grammar/words correctly, poor memory, slow learner, very poor social

skills, kids avoid her, rigid, has some tactile defensiveness, auditory

processing problems, shy/scared, and frustrated. Very kind - much more

so than most children.

I have started chelating her - her first 1-5 rounds were uneventful. The

last one was unbearable the day after. I had to go get her from school.

Her definant behavior was unbelieveable.

I am going to guess her diagnosis (gabe's) - SID, CAPD, ADD and probable

mercury poisoning.

High in aluminum & antimony

I was wondering if anyone has ever seen anything to substantiate my

theory on my 8 yr old daughter. She is not on the spectrum, but does

suffer from yeast/bacteria overgrowth and a few food intolerances. I

just got her hair test back, and it confirmed most likely she is not

suffering from mercury. (I used the counting rules and not even close.)

This is what I expected as she really does not have a lot of the

spectrum personality traits. In fact, she is kind of the opposite.

She acts absent minded; forgetful; and not sure how to say this

diplomatically, but she's just not real quick. She's labeled with a

learning disability that they just can't quite figure out but with ALLOT

of extra effort she manages to keep up. By nature very easy going,

except as the yeast/bacteria has been growing over the years her

Jekyll/Hyde personality has really been kicking in. But going through

this experience I've realized that she actually is quite anxious and has

low self esteem, just processes it inwardly so many don't see it.

Painfully shy and embarrassed to socialize with her peers. She has

expressed she knows she is different, and can't quite keep up physically

or mentally with the " normal " kids. Funny how my close friends and

family think I'm nuts and try to tell me that's just her personality,

but they don't see the pain and torture she is in as she has really

worked hard at hiding it. Almost like shameful and embarrassed to be in

her skin. Yet leave it to kids to sense out a weakness/problem in

other kids, they know and conveniently keep their distance.

Now seeing her hair test, which all was OK except moderately high in

antimony & VERY high in aluminum, this makes me think that those must

be playing a role in mental capacity. I am certain how this played out

was the antibiotics/prendasone she took when she was young wiped out her

gut creating the overgrowths, and then the 4 glasses of tap water she

consumed daily for 5 years on a leaky gut would explain where she got

the aluminum from. She also is high in fluoride, which is compliments

of our water too. (I now have reverse osmosis). I am very familiar

with Alzheimer's, and I even have described some of her mild tendencies

of reminding me of it! Such as often twisting words, like she used

" parts " instead of the word " years " , and always reverses early/late.

Anyone ever seen a situation where these metals could be a major root

cause? I guess I will now add figuring out how to reduce these down to

the list. Thanks, Kari

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Nell,

That was wonderful to read. I yearn for that day with my 3 year old son and his

2 year old sister. Here is wishing you continued success! KIM

Re: High in aluminum & antimony

In a message dated 3/6/04 4:17:18 AM, karitrautman@... writes:

<< Anyone ever seen a situation where these metals could be a major root

cause? I guess I will now add figuring out how to reduce these down to the

list.

>>

n did not meet the counting rules either, but had high aluminum,

antimony, and arsenic. As well as terrible gut problems. As for spectrum/not

spectrum

-- I think of almost all of it now as intoxication of one sort or another. In

other words, not ASD but mercury intoxication.

Chelation, Andy Cutler's protocol, is helping him immensely -- his issues are

mostly mood/social/sensory, and he is a completely different child on-round.

Last night (started a round yesterday after a 2-wk break) he and the little

sister decided they wanted to sleep together, so they got into pajamas and

brushed teeth and snuggled in bed asking me to tell them a ghost story. The

background is that n couldn't stand for his little sister to be in the

same room

until he started enzymes, and after chelation (especially on-round) they are

now great friends and playmates. I NEVER thought this would happen.

Nell

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I like that term, " flip it on it's head " , and welcome different perspectives.

For so long I felt like I was fighting a ghost. Now I know the ghost exists,

and would rather know what I am up against than be in the dark. Perhaps it is

to a lessor degree mercury, just not extreme enough to register some sort of

standard. But I know I have candida; amalgams (getting my last ones out

tomarrow); and my mercury level came in at 1.1 which was the brink of

green/yellow. So knowing she was conceived in these circumstances may be what

set her up to be nailed by the antibiotics etc. Here is her full hair story:

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 32 8.0 red

antimony 0.16 0.066 yellow

arsenic 0.059 0.06 green (almost yellow)

beryllium 0.01 0.02

bismuth 0.32 0.12 yellow (almost red)

cadmium 0.063 0.10 green

lead 0.52 1.0 green

mercury 0.16 0.4 green

platinum 0.003 0.005

thallium 0.001 0.01

thorium 0.001 0.005

uranium 0.074 0.06 yellow

nickel 0.31 0.4 green

silver 0.07 0.2 green

tin 0.22 0.3 green

titanium 0.61 1.0 green

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 570 250-800 white over

Magnesium 190 25-90 yellow over (have been

supplementing here)*

Sodium 26 12-90 green under

Potassium 9 7-40 green under

Copper 21 12-35 green under

Zinc 310 120-220 red over (have been

supplementing here)*

Manganese 0.30 0.18-0.60 green mid

Chromium 0.40 0.23-0.45 green over

Vanadium 0.17 .025-0.10 yellow over

Molybdenum 0.057 0.037-0.083 green over

Boron 0.90 0.30-1.7 green over

Iodine .57 0.25-1.3 green mid

Lithium 0.008 0.007-0.023 green under

Phosphorus 130 160-250 yellow under

Selenium 0.98 0.95-1.7 green under

Strontium 2.9 0.37-3.6 green over

Sulfur 47700 45500-53000 green under

Barium 2.0 0.21-1.9 red over

Cobalt 0.023 0.013-0.05 green over

Iron 21 6.0-17 yellow over

Germanium 0.028 0.045-0.065 yellow under

Rubidium 0.017 0.008-0.08 green under

Zirconium 0.38 0.03-0.4 green over

THIS TEST BELOW CAME OFF OF A BLOOD TEST HER GASTERENTOLOGIST ORDERED

CL (clorine or cloride?) 107 range was 96-108

*Doesn't the fact that I am supplementing on these items explain the highs?

Thanks,

Kari

Re: High in aluminum & antimony

flip it on its head.

she is on spectrum and likely some mercury accumulation in fatty

tissue which unfortunately incudes the brain. it is hard to believe

how retentive mercury is in fatty tissue.

high aluminium and antimony is impaired minerals transport and likely

mercury is a factor.

there's largish amounts of aluminium in foods and the body has

mechanisms to cope with it..if its high its symptomatic of membrane

permeablity problems and impaired minerals transport.

the counting rules will pick extreme body toxicity of mercury and

have nothing to say about accumulation of mercury in fatty tissue.

i'm not trying to be mean but not every mother has a natural feel for

these issues and perhaps you might be among that number and might be

more cautious about forming opinions.

its a long slow process to put the pieces together and you would be

advised to post the full hair test. i didn't know any of the labs did

fluoride.

theres mostly no pain and torture except adult expectations or

projections.

pj's or matresses with antimony?

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what forms and how much magnesium and zinc?

high aluminium tells you that there is a reasonably severe overall

problem. none of the body systems are really working.

source of bismuth?

i think she has a good capacity to self right as you improve a few

things.

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> aluminum 32 8.0 red

> antimony 0.16 0.066 yellow

> arsenic 0.059 0.06 green (almost yellow)

> bismuth 0.32 0.12 yellow (almost red)

> uranium 0.074 0.06 yellow

Consider removing sources of current exposure

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> *Doesn't the fact that I am supplementing on these items explain

the highs?

Sometimes yes. Sometimes hair will show high because the body is not

absorbing and retaining the nutrient. Other times it is high because

the body has too much. Depends on the mineral.

Dana