Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 > > Hi All: I have a couple of questions. I know that Calcium and > Magnesium are supposed to be calming, but can they cause anxiousness > and complusion also in the beginning? Yes, especially if you use liquid or chewable. >>Also can the negatives reoccurr after > increasing the dose to 2 instead of 1 PEP with meals. Yes, especially if he is not tolerating the enzyme. >>His teacher said he was anxious and > compulsive in school today. He is just loud and hyper and jumping > at home(imagine this 220lb guy jumping like a 5 year old)!!! I have an 8-1/2 yo who acts age 2-3 most of the time, so I can relate, altho yours is bigger! > He also is not falling to sleep until hours after he usually does > even with the magnesium. >>Hi Again- was up at 4:00 am full of piss & vinegar. He is insanly giddy. A bit hyper for 4:00am. What's this all about? Yeast or the CA & Magnesium possibly? Eileen Drop the Cal/mag, or move it to the morning only, see if that helps. For my son, 4am giddy would have been phenol intolerance and/or yeast. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Dana: I am using tablets for Ca/Mg. Citracal for CA, dont remember the name of Mg. I am using 2:1 ratio. 1000 mg CA (broken up am and dinner time-just got to this dose level) and 350 Mag so far (also broken up am and just before bedtime). I am going to order the AFP and SCD also to see if that makes a difference. Are there any negative behaviors to watch for with this switch. Lastly-Giving 1 Candex 1 hr prior to am meal and 2 hr after dinner. 1 Culturelle after am meal and 1 Culturelle after dinner. I do think there is some kind of yeast thing going on. Forgot to mention that he BM was yellowish, soft formed and not too smelly last night. Thanks again Dana-You really do help me out. Eileen > > > > > > > Hi All: I have a couple of questions. I know that Calcium and > > Magnesium are supposed to be calming, but can they cause anxiousness > > and complusion also in the beginning? > > >Yes, especially if you use liquid or chewable. > > > >>Also can the negatives reoccurr after > > increasing the dose to 2 instead of 1 PEP with meals. > > >Yes, especially if he is not tolerating the enzyme. > > > >>His teacher said he was anxious and > > compulsive in school today. He is just loud and hyper and jumping > > at home(imagine this 220lb guy jumping like a 5 year old)!!! > > >I have an 8-1/2 yo who acts age 2-3 most of the time, so I can relate, >altho yours is bigger! > > > > >Drop the Cal/mag, or move it to the morning only, see if that helps. > >For my son, 4am giddy would have been phenol intolerance and/or yeast. > >Dana > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Eileen, from our experience, the hyperactivity would come from enzymes. Do you think he needs 2 Peps per meal? I realize he is a large adult man, but I think I might stick with one Pep per meal if the hyper isn't resolving. Also, when I took Candex myself, it made me very energized and some nights did cause insomnia. > > is still hyper- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hi : Thanks, I was trying to figure out what it was. I just increaed the PEP to 2 yesterday for 2 of his meals. But I also started the Candex the day before, so it is a guessing game. Today I only gave 1 PEP per meal and Candex in am because he was asleep when I came home tonight after some Xmas shopping. So I think I will just reduce the PEP and work with the Candex for awhile. He also did not get his pm dose of magnesium as he was asleep. Not quite as hyper when he came home from school today. THanks for your input. Eileen >From: " melmeighen " <melmeighen@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Adult son >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:34:47 -0000 > > >Eileen, from our experience, the hyperactivity would come from >enzymes. Do you think he needs 2 Peps per meal? I realize he is a >large adult man, but I think I might stick with one Pep per meal if >the hyper isn't resolving. Also, when I took Candex myself, it made >me very energized and some nights did cause insomnia. > > > > > > is still hyper- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Oh Eileen - hugs Its going to take a while I guess but you'll get it sorted eventually - hang on in there Mandi in UK Could be the inositol which I am also stopping. I have him crying in his room and Im crying in the other room. (I am not a cryer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hi Sorry to be a bother. My son just had a total melt down and I need to write. I am by nature a very strong person but I just am at my whits end. The meltdown was precipitated by him throwing his dish in the sink, which he was corrected for. Well he just lost it. Rage behavior which i havent seen in a very long time. I tell you I am ready to call it quits. He is pretty strong and it took everything in me to restrain him. Boy he can pinch and knows all the right spots. He now has added shoving along with the grabbing of the wrists. His teacher called today and told me school has been tough this week. She apologized for not writing as gets upset when she writes in his book. So she just told me that he has been anxious this week. I told her I stopped the magnesium and I was not aware there was problems so now I have to look at what else is going on. She also has not given him any more fruit so its not from that. Could be the inositol which I am also stopping. I have him crying in his room and Im crying in the other room. (I am not a cryer) Anyway, I think I will just do enzymes for now. Not add anything else. His menu at home hasnt changed either. Well thanks for the shoulder. Eileen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Eileen I just want to say that I feel for you!!! I have a 16yo that can also have these terrible meltdowns and know too well how they can shake you to your soul! Thankfully since starting enzymes they have become few and far between and I can usually figure out exactly why they happen these days. My guess would be the inositol. I may be wrong but believe that this effects serotonin and I find that I have to be extremely careful with these types of supps with my son. Taurine is a supp that most people use to " calm " their children but it sends my son off the deep end. I am a little gun shy of trying new supps these days because sometimes it's not pretty. If you have charcoal handy I would try and get him to take one. It has to be given away from other supps by about 1-1 1/2 hours I believe (correct me if I'm wrong here, keep hearing different time frames) but I find this always helps my son quite quickly. Hang it there! Laurie > Hi Sorry to be a bother. My son just had a total melt down and I need to > write. I am by nature a very strong person but I just am at my whits end. > The meltdown was precipitated by him throwing his dish in the sink, which he > was corrected for. Well he just lost it. Rage behavior which i havent seen > in a very long time. I tell you I am ready to call it quits. He is pretty > strong and it took everything in me to restrain him. Boy he can pinch and > knows all the right spots. He now has added shoving along with the grabbing > of the wrists. > > His teacher called today and told me school has been tough this week. She > apologized for not writing as gets upset when she writes in his book. > So she just told me that he has been anxious this week. I told her I > stopped the magnesium and I was not aware there was problems so now I have > to look at what else is going on. She also has not given him any more fruit > so its not from that. Could be the inositol which I am also stopping. I > have him crying in his room and Im crying in the other room. (I am not a > cryer) > > Anyway, I think I will just do enzymes for now. Not add anything else. His > menu at home hasnt changed either. Well thanks for the shoulder. Eileen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Hi We have restarted the enzymes at 1/8 cap pm and just added 1/8 cap in am -His behavior is up and down still-He had a bad day in school on 1/10 and home and on 1/11 good day in school and not at home. He was very oppositional last night looking for a fight. He would eat his dinner with his hands, looking right at me. I ignored it-URGH I knew he was looking for a fight and he really hurts me now so I didnt give in to him. He is taking nothing else right now. Started to have sleep issues with the 5HTP. Can you believe this! Should I be seeing this behavior on this low of a dose? Also I was looking thru old tests and realized that he always tested high in calcium, this was many years ago and I have nothing new to go by. With this said, would I even try to give a CA supplement before I have some new blood tests run? Thanks Eileen PS -I did get the Epsom Salts cream from Kirkman and I have been rubbing some on his ankle that he sprained and the swelling was reduced much more quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Eileen, I was doing some research the other night and found this information about melatonin. Thought you might be interested. We also use valerian root to help with sleep. It works like a charm to help my daughter stay asleep once the melatonin helps her get to sleep. Melatonin: The pineal hormone that helps to regulate the sleep/wake cycle, melatonin is also an anti-oxidant. It is relatively unique among natural anti-oxidants in that it is a terminal antioxidant: once oxidized, it cannot be reduced36. This characteristic means that melatonin cannot participate in destructive redox cycling, where an oxidized compound is reduced by oxidizing another compound. One study has found that neurons are protected from mercury damage by hormonal levels of melatonin37. Melatonin is also concentrated in the mitochondria and protects them from oxidative damage.38 Aside from its anti-oxidant properties, melatonin helps to regulate the sleep/wake cycle, which is often seriously deranged in autistic children. Its long-term use in institutionalized children has established its safety39. Doses of up to 0.1 mg/kg at bedtime should be adequate to help with sleep disturbances. Some clinicians have noted that smaller doses of melatonin (0.3 mg in adults) are just as effective for sleep and may cause fewer problems with nightmares and/or night terrors. A sustained release form of melatonin is currently under development and should help with those children who awaken four to six hours after the dose of melatonin. 13 Re: Adult son Hi We have restarted the enzymes at 1/8 cap pm and just added 1/8 cap in am -His behavior is up and down still-He had a bad day in school on 1/10 and home and on 1/11 good day in school and not at home. He was very oppositional last night looking for a fight. He would eat his dinner with his hands, looking right at me. I ignored it-URGH I knew he was looking for a fight and he really hurts me now so I didnt give in to him. He is taking nothing else right now. Started to have sleep issues with the 5HTP. Can you believe this! Should I be seeing this behavior on this low of a dose? Also I was looking thru old tests and realized that he always tested high in calcium, this was many years ago and I have nothing new to go by. With this said, would I even try to give a CA supplement before I have some new blood tests run? Thanks Eileen PS -I did get the Epsom Salts cream from Kirkman and I have been rubbing some on his ankle that he sprained and the swelling was reduced much more quickly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Eileen, Did you start all 3 enzymes again or did you start with just 1? I think the behavior you are seeing is probably adjustment, but since he is so big and older you may have to start REALLY slow to ease the adjustments. If you started with all 3, I would back down to just 1 of the enzymes. If it were me, I would start with zp since it is a good broad enzyme and keep the same dose for quite a while. At least until you have consistent days of ok behavior. The positive thing I read in your post was that he did have a good day. That means that he should eventually adjust to the enzymes. I think it will be a very slow process for you. And, if you are like me, patience is not my strongest character trait. I vowed a few weeks ago that I wouldn't start more than 1 thing at a time, and I did it again this week. Now trying to figure out which one is causing the problem. Hope that helps! > Hi We have restarted the enzymes at 1/8 cap pm and just added 1/8 cap in am > -His behavior is up and down still-He had a bad day in school on 1/10 and > home and on 1/11 good day in school and not at home. He was very > oppositional last night looking for a fight. He would eat his dinner with > his hands, looking right at me. I ignored it-URGH I knew he was looking > for a fight and he really hurts me now so I didnt give in to him. He is > taking nothing else right now. Started to have sleep issues with the 5HTP. > Can you believe this! Should I be seeing this behavior on this low of a > dose? Also I was looking thru old tests and realized that he always tested > high in calcium, this was many years ago and I have nothing new to go by. > With this said, would I even try to give a CA supplement before I have some > new blood tests run? Thanks Eileen > > PS -I did get the Epsom Salts cream from Kirkman and I have been rubbing > some on his ankle that he sprained and the swelling was reduced much more > quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Thanks I really appreciate the information. He doesnt normally have sleep issues-I was trying the 5HTP for anxiety and calming effects. Does the Melatonine help with that also? If he was not on the Risperdal we would have big sleep issues tho. Thanks Eileen >From: " Blackmon " <blackmon@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: Adult son >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:11 -0600 > >Eileen, >I was doing some research the other night and found this information about >melatonin. Thought you might be interested. We also use valerian root to >help with sleep. It works like a charm to help my daughter stay asleep once >the melatonin helps her get to sleep. >Melatonin: The pineal hormone that helps to regulate the sleep/wake cycle, >melatonin is also an anti-oxidant. It is relatively unique among natural >anti-oxidants in that it is a terminal antioxidant: once oxidized, it >cannot be reduced36. This characteristic means that melatonin cannot >participate in destructive redox cycling, where an oxidized compound is >reduced by oxidizing another compound. One study has found that neurons are >protected from mercury damage by hormonal levels of melatonin37. >Melatonin is also concentrated in the mitochondria and protects them from >oxidative damage.38 Aside from its anti-oxidant properties, melatonin helps >to regulate the sleep/wake cycle, which is often seriously deranged in >autistic children. Its long-term use in institutionalized children has >established its safety39. > > >Doses of up to 0.1 mg/kg at bedtime should be adequate to help with sleep >disturbances. Some clinicians have noted that smaller doses of melatonin >(0.3 mg in adults) are just as effective for sleep and may cause fewer >problems with nightmares and/or night terrors. A sustained release form of >melatonin is currently under development and should help with those >children who awaken four to six hours after the dose of melatonin. 13 > > Re: Adult son > > > Hi We have restarted the enzymes at 1/8 cap pm and just added 1/8 cap in >am > -His behavior is up and down still-He had a bad day in school on 1/10 >and > home and on 1/11 good day in school and not at home. He was very > oppositional last night looking for a fight. He would eat his dinner >with > his hands, looking right at me. I ignored it-URGH I knew he was >looking > for a fight and he really hurts me now so I didnt give in to him. He is > taking nothing else right now. Started to have sleep issues with the >5HTP. > Can you believe this! Should I be seeing this behavior on this low of a > dose? Also I was looking thru old tests and realized that he always >tested > high in calcium, this was many years ago and I have nothing new to go >by. > With this said, would I even try to give a CA supplement before I have >some > new blood tests run? Thanks Eileen > > PS -I did get the Epsom Salts cream from Kirkman and I have been rubbing > some on his ankle that he sprained and the swelling was reduced much >more > quickly. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 We had problems when we tried the 5-HTP. I seemed to help at first, but then things went downhill. I think the melatonin helps because she rests better. It is also a strong antioxidant and I believe my daughter has a deficiency in antioxidants. Re: Adult son > > > Hi We have restarted the enzymes at 1/8 cap pm and just added 1/8 cap in >am > -His behavior is up and down still-He had a bad day in school on 1/10 >and > home and on 1/11 good day in school and not at home. He was very > oppositional last night looking for a fight. He would eat his dinner >with > his hands, looking right at me. I ignored it-URGH I knew he was >looking > for a fight and he really hurts me now so I didnt give in to him. He is > taking nothing else right now. Started to have sleep issues with the >5HTP. > Can you believe this! Should I be seeing this behavior on this low of a > dose? Also I was looking thru old tests and realized that he always >tested > high in calcium, this was many years ago and I have nothing new to go >by. > With this said, would I even try to give a CA supplement before I have >some > new blood tests run? Thanks Eileen > > PS -I did get the Epsom Salts cream from Kirkman and I have been rubbing > some on his ankle that he sprained and the swelling was reduced much >more > quickly. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Awesome Eileen Well done MAndi in UK Just to let you know that my son has just been great since Saturday. No outbursts, calm, wants to be around us more, not napping in morning until noon. He had a Neuro appt today and the doctor noticed something different right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 > The other thing that I thought of was the Iodized Salt that I use. I > mentioned that my son loves salt. Maybe its the iodine in the salt > that he has been craving.....Just a thought. Perhaps. But salt craving is also associated with adrenal issues, so you might request that be tested. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Hi all: I just received 's Nutrient program and most of it has to be taken with food. Now I know this has come up before, but I am just checking because I do not want to mess this all up. The enzymes can be given at the same time as other supplements right? I do not want to cancel either one out--- Things have been really good-I have been able to take away his blanket (my Linus son) for his trip to school. He would wrap it around his head on the bus to stop the noise as well as wear the headphones. Yesterday we had a plan for the future meeting at school and he somehow found me. I was two rooms down with the door closed. I thought this would be the end of the meeting because in the past as soon as he saw me we had to go home. He sat beautifully for 40 minutes attending his own plan for the future meeting. Which is how is should be!!!!! He asks for his enzymes at all meals now. Started the other nutrient program yesterday and I am hoping it goes well too. AND He ran up the driveway the other day. He had me cracking up as I watched him run up my very long driveway off the bus with a huge smile on his face. This boy does not run so it was just great. One more thing I almost forgot-He has been accepting different foods also. I always had to cook separate for him as he likes things very plain but he has been experimenting with slightly less bland foods too. I got him to drink a protein shake also which is a huge thing here. Thanks for everything. Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Wow, Eileen this is great news. What do you think is making these changes? I'm so glad to hear about your progress. Adult Son Hi all: I just received 's Nutrient program and most of it has to be taken with food. Now I know this has come up before, but I am just checking because I do not want to mess this all up. The enzymes can be given at the same time as other supplements right? I do not want to cancel either one out--- Things have been really good-I have been able to take away his blanket (my Linus son) for his trip to school. He would wrap it around his head on the bus to stop the noise as well as wear the headphones. Yesterday we had a plan for the future meeting at school and he somehow found me. I was two rooms down with the door closed. I thought this would be the end of the meeting because in the past as soon as he saw me we had to go home. He sat beautifully for 40 minutes attending his own plan for the future meeting. Which is how is should be!!!!! He asks for his enzymes at all meals now. Started the other nutrient program yesterday and I am hoping it goes well too. AND He ran up the driveway the other day. He had me cracking up as I watched him run up my very long driveway off the bus with a huge smile on his face. This boy does not run so it was just great. One more thing I almost forgot-He has been accepting different foods also. I always had to cook separate for him as he likes things very plain but he has been experimenting with slightly less bland foods too. I got him to drink a protein shake also which is a huge thing here. Thanks for everything. Eileen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Eileen, things sound great! You just totally made my day! I am so happy to hear you so hopeful! You are a really great mom! Keep the Faith, God Bless you both, Debbie --- ebrischoux <ebrischoux@...> wrote: > > Hi all: I just received 's Nutrient program and > most of it has > to be taken with food. Now I know this has come up > before, but I am > just checking because I do not want to mess this all > up. The enzymes > can be given at the same time as other supplements > right? I do not > want to cancel either one out--- > > Things have been really good-I have been able to > take away his > blanket (my Linus son) for his trip to school. He > would wrap it > around his head on the bus to stop the noise as well > as wear the > headphones. Yesterday we had a plan for the future > meeting at school > and he somehow found me. I was two rooms down with > the door closed. I > thought this would be the end of the meeting because > in the past as > soon as he saw me we had to go home. He sat > beautifully for 40 > minutes attending his own plan for the future > meeting. Which is how > is should be!!!!! > > He asks for his enzymes at all meals now. Started > the other nutrient > program yesterday and I am hoping it goes well too. > AND He ran up > the driveway the other day. He had me cracking up > as I watched him > run up my very long driveway off the bus with a huge > smile on his > face. This boy does not run so it was just great. > One more thing I > almost forgot-He has been accepting different foods > also. I always > had to cook separate for him as he likes things very > plain but he has > been experimenting with slightly less bland foods > too. I got him to > drink a protein shake also which is a huge thing > here. Thanks for > everything. Eileen > > > > __________________________________ Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 > > Hi all: I just received 's Nutrient program and most of it has > to be taken with food. Now I know this has come up before, but I am > just checking because I do not want to mess this all up. The enzymes > can be given at the same time as other supplements right? Enzymes and probiotics *can* be a problem, but not always. > Things have been really good Great! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Eileen, that is awesome news! You are the poster mom (in my mind) for adult children getting help biomedically! I am so happy for and you give me much inspiration and hope for the future of my little man. in Oceanside, CA Fighting for one child, in hopes it helps another child. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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