a possible way of tolerating plain whey with pep

[Guest guest]

the issue of tolerating plain way may not be lactose in people of

european descent but the beta-lactoglobulin. the trouble is you want

some of the why protiens intact so it may be better to delay taking a

touch of pep for several hours so the other peptides get though

intact then take the pep (i just tipped 1/4 of a cpasule down the

back of the throat)

anyway kirkmans have some info on this with thier product dairy

zymes, but i actually want the lactose because it is a very good slow

release sugar and as far as i can see pep covers the ground pretty

well on the peptide front. if you are doing scd you really need that

slow release sugar (though whey is scd illegal).

http://tinyurl.com/26hrj love those tiny urls!

i did try stopping the whey completely but i really seem to need it.

interestingly there was a noticable drop off of digestive efficency

when i stopped the whey.

[Guest guest]

I wonder if there might be a point though. No Fenol

and Yogurt is calming. Whey is calming. What if a

person gave NF and Whey?

A dose-finding study on the effects of branch chain

amino acids on surrogate markers of brain dopamine

function.

Gijsman HJ, Scarna A, Harmer CJ, McTavish SB,

Odontiadis J, Cowen PJ, Goodwin GM.

University of Oxford, Department of Psychiatry,

Warneford Hospital, Oxford OX3 7JX, UK.

RATIONALE: We have previously shown in healthy

volunteers that an amino acid mixture lacking tyrosine

and phenylalanine reduces tyrosine availability to the

brain and produces cognitive and neuroendocrine

effects consistent with reduced dopamine function.

This could provide a potential nutritional approach to

disorders such as mania and schizophrenia, which are

characterised by overactivity of dopamine pathways.

The amino acid mixture we tested previously is

unpalatable, whereas mixtures containing only branch

chain amino acids can be made more palatable. However,

the effects of such mixtures on dopamine function in

humans have not been studied. OBJECTIVE: To assess the

tolerability of different doses of branch chain amino

acids and to measure their effects on neuroendocrine

and cognitive measures sensitive to changes in

dopamine function. METHODS: We used a randomised,

double-blind, cross-over design in 12 healthy

volunteers to assess the effect of single oral doses

of 10 g, 30 g and 60 g branch chain amino acids on

plasma prolactin and a test of spatial recognition

memory RESULTS: The branch chain amino acids were well

tolerated. The availability of tyrosine for brain

catecholamine synthesis decreased in a dose-related

manner. As hypothesised, the drink increased both the

plasma prolactin and the latency to respond on the

spatial recognition memory task. CONCLUSIONS: A drink

containing branch chain amino acids is well tolerated

in healthy volunteers and produces effects consistent

with lowered dopamine function.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial

* Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 11875637 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

--- andrew <alevin@...> wrote:

> theres no point. actually if i just take the whey

> once a day in the

> morning that seems to be ok even without pep but its

> the whey protien

> beta-lactogloblin and not lactose that is the issue

> and pep seems to

> cover that. afp pep i have yet to try but it may be

> another option.

>

>

> > > the issue of tolerating plain way may not be

> lactose

> > > in people of

> > > european descent but the beta-lactoglobulin. the

> > > trouble is you want

> > > some of the why protiens intact so it may be

> better

> > > to delay taking a

> > > touch of pep for several hours so the other

> peptides

> > > get though

> > > intact then take the pep (i just tipped 1/4 of a

> > > cpasule down the

> > > back of the throat)

> > >

> > > anyway kirkmans have some info on this with

> thier

> > > product dairy

> > > zymes, but i actually want the lactose because

> it is

> > > a very good slow

> > > release sugar and as far as i can see pep covers

> the

> > > ground pretty

> > > well on the peptide front. if you are doing scd

> you

> > > really need that

> > > slow release sugar (though whey is scd illegal).

> > >

> > > http://tinyurl.com/26hrj love those tiny urls!

> > >

> > >

> > > i did try stopping the whey completely but i

> really

> > > seem to need it.

> > > interestingly there was a noticable drop off of

> > > digestive efficency

> > > when i stopped the whey.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

" Protein is constructed from amino acids, and whey

protein is very high in the branch-chain amino acids

leucine, isoleucine and valine. Of the 20 dietary

amino acids, only nine are essential (meaning they

cannot be synthesized in the human body). The three

branch-chain amino acids are all essential,

constituting 40 percent of the minimum daily

requirement of indispensable dietary amino acids. "

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag98/oct_98whey4.html

--- Fred Davies <mrrva@...> wrote:

> I wonder if there might be a point though. No Fenol

> and Yogurt is calming. Whey is calming. What if a

> person gave NF and Whey?

>

> A dose-finding study on the effects of branch chain

> amino acids on surrogate markers of brain dopamine

> function.

>

> Gijsman HJ, Scarna A, Harmer CJ, McTavish SB,

> Odontiadis J, Cowen PJ, Goodwin GM.

>

> University of Oxford, Department of Psychiatry,

> Warneford Hospital, Oxford OX3 7JX, UK.

>

> RATIONALE: We have previously shown in healthy

> volunteers that an amino acid mixture lacking

> tyrosine

> and phenylalanine reduces tyrosine availability to

> the

> brain and produces cognitive and neuroendocrine

> effects consistent with reduced dopamine function.

> This could provide a potential nutritional approach

> to

> disorders such as mania and schizophrenia, which are

> characterised by overactivity of dopamine pathways.

> The amino acid mixture we tested previously is

> unpalatable, whereas mixtures containing only branch

> chain amino acids can be made more palatable.

> However,

> the effects of such mixtures on dopamine function in

> humans have not been studied. OBJECTIVE: To assess

> the

> tolerability of different doses of branch chain

> amino

> acids and to measure their effects on neuroendocrine

> and cognitive measures sensitive to changes in

> dopamine function. METHODS: We used a randomised,

> double-blind, cross-over design in 12 healthy

> volunteers to assess the effect of single oral doses

> of 10 g, 30 g and 60 g branch chain amino acids on

> plasma prolactin and a test of spatial recognition

> memory RESULTS: The branch chain amino acids were

> well

> tolerated. The availability of tyrosine for brain

> catecholamine synthesis decreased in a dose-related

> manner. As hypothesised, the drink increased both

> the

> plasma prolactin and the latency to respond on the

> spatial recognition memory task. CONCLUSIONS: A

> drink

> containing branch chain amino acids is well

> tolerated

> in healthy volunteers and produces effects

> consistent

> with lowered dopamine function.

>

> Publication Types:

>

> * Clinical Trial

> * Randomized Controlled Trial

>

>

> PMID: 11875637 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

> --- andrew <alevin@...> wrote:

> > theres no point. actually if i just take the whey

> > once a day in the

> > morning that seems to be ok even without pep but

> its

> > the whey protien

> > beta-lactogloblin and not lactose that is the

> issue

> > and pep seems to

> > cover that. afp pep i have yet to try but it may

> be

> > another option.

> >

> >

> > > > the issue of tolerating plain way may not be

> > lactose

> > > > in people of

> > > > european descent but the beta-lactoglobulin.

> the

> > > > trouble is you want

> > > > some of the why protiens intact so it may be

> > better

> > > > to delay taking a

> > > > touch of pep for several hours so the other

> > peptides

> > > > get though

> > > > intact then take the pep (i just tipped 1/4 of

> a

> > > > cpasule down the

> > > > back of the throat)

> > > >

> > > > anyway kirkmans have some info on this with

> > thier

> > > > product dairy

> > > > zymes, but i actually want the lactose because

> > it is

> > > > a very good slow

> > > > release sugar and as far as i can see pep

> covers

> > the

> > > > ground pretty

> > > > well on the peptide front. if you are doing

> scd

> > you

> > > > really need that

> > > > slow release sugar (though whey is scd

> illegal).

> > > >

> > > > http://tinyurl.com/26hrj love those tiny urls!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i did try stopping the whey completely but i

> > really

> > > > seem to need it.

> > > > interestingly there was a noticable drop off

> of

> > > > digestive efficency

> > > > when i stopped the whey.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

thats interesting about it lowering dopamine , as copper sebacate and

no fenol increase it theres some advantage to lowering dopamine.

> > > > the issue of tolerating plain way may not be

> > lactose

> > > > in people of

> > > > european descent but the beta-lactoglobulin. the

> > > > trouble is you want

> > > > some of the why protiens intact so it may be

> > better

> > > > to delay taking a

> > > > touch of pep for several hours so the other

> > peptides

> > > > get though

> > > > intact then take the pep (i just tipped 1/4 of a

> > > > cpasule down the

> > > > back of the throat)

> > > >

> > > > anyway kirkmans have some info on this with

> > thier

> > > > product dairy

> > > > zymes, but i actually want the lactose because

> > it is

> > > > a very good slow

> > > > release sugar and as far as i can see pep covers

> > the

> > > > ground pretty

> > > > well on the peptide front. if you are doing scd

> > you

> > > > really need that

> > > > slow release sugar (though whey is scd illegal).

> > > >

> > > > http://tinyurl.com/26hrj love those tiny urls!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i did try stopping the whey completely but i

> > really

> > > > seem to need it.

> > > > interestingly there was a noticable drop off of

> > > > digestive efficency

> > > > when i stopped the whey.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Maybe whey lowers the need for dopamine?

--- andrew <alevin@...> wrote:

>

> thats interesting about it lowering dopamine , as

> copper sebacate and

> no fenol increase it theres some advantage to

> lowering dopamine.

>

>

>

>

> > > > > the issue of tolerating plain way may not be

> > > lactose

> > > > > in people of

> > > > > european descent but the beta-lactoglobulin.

> the

> > > > > trouble is you want

> > > > > some of the why protiens intact so it may be

> > > better

> > > > > to delay taking a

> > > > > touch of pep for several hours so the other

> > > peptides

> > > > > get though

> > > > > intact then take the pep (i just tipped 1/4

> of a

> > > > > cpasule down the

> > > > > back of the throat)

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway kirkmans have some info on this with

> > > thier

> > > > > product dairy

> > > > > zymes, but i actually want the lactose

> because

> > > it is

> > > > > a very good slow

> > > > > release sugar and as far as i can see pep

> covers

> > > the

> > > > > ground pretty

> > > > > well on the peptide front. if you are doing

> scd

> > > you

> > > > > really need that

> > > > > slow release sugar (though whey is scd

> illegal).

> > > > >

> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/26hrj love those tiny

> urls!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i did try stopping the whey completely but i

> > > really

> > > > > seem to need it.

> > > > > interestingly there was a noticable drop off

> of

> > > > > digestive efficency

> > > > > when i stopped the whey.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >