Re: vitamin formulation (for )

[Guest guest]

i am not sure that methyl b-12 is so superior to cyano b-12 in that

methyl b-12 may be more easily destroyed by stomach acid.

ala in a single dose like that (100mg/50mg) is likely not to be safe

unless you have a broad based mineral supplementation in place to

passivate raised mercury, actually at that dose its not safe.

my whole expereince of composites/multis is they are never right and

you have to do it individually. i was going to say the vrp extend

core is one of the more balanced but when i look at it again it has

issues.

composites will never get you the results you require except perhaps

for a balanced b multi cut down but again balanced formulas are hard

to find.

> I've finally found a multi that has the right kind of B12 as well

as

> l-optizinc and chromemate but it has 120 mg. of ginko biloba in

it. The adult serving

> size is 2 capsules a day. My son is 9 yo and weighs 68 pounds. I

was going

> to give him 1/2 a capsules or maybe one whole capsule which would

be 60 mg. of

> ginko. Could you comment on whether this formulation is too much?

I would

> half everything that's shown below and also add a small bit of

boron, choline

> and inositol.

>

> Each serving of 2 Capsules provides:

>

>

> Ingredient

> Amount

> US RDA

>

>

> Vitamin A (as natural carotenoids: beta carotene, alpha carotene,

lutein,

> zeaxanthin, cryptoxanthin)(Betatene®)

> 5,000 IU

> 100%

>

>

> Vitamin C (as calcium ascorbate)(Ester-C® MV)

> 200 mg

> 333%

>

>

> Vitamin D3 (as cholecalciferol)

> 700 IU

> 175%

>

>

> Natural Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol succinate and mixed

tocopherols)

> 200 IU

> 666%

>

>

> Vitamin K1 (phytonadione)

> 300 mcg

> 375%

>

>

> Vitamin B1 (thiamine HCl)

> 50 mg

> 3,333%

>

>

> Vitamin B2 (riboflavin)

> 10 mg

> 588%

>

>

> Vitamin B3 (niacinamide)

> 50 mg

> 250%

>

>

> Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCl)

> 50 mg

> 2,500%

>

>

> Folic Acid (as folacin)

> 1 mg (1,000 mcg)

> 250%

>

>

> Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin)

> 500 mcg

> 8,333%

>

>

> Biotin

> 500 mcg

> 167%

>

>

> Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid as d-calcium pantothenate)

> 50 mg

> 500%

>

>

> Calcium (ascorbate)(Ester-C® MV)

> 20 mg

> 2%

>

>

> Magnesium (oxide)

> 200 mg

> 50%

>

>

> Zinc (as L-OptiZinc®)

> 20 mg

> 133%

>

>

> Selenium (selenomethionine)

> 200 mcg

> 286%

>

>

> Copper (as amino acid chelate)

> 1 mg (1,000 mcg)

> 50%

>

>

> Manganese (as amino acid chelate)

> 5 mg

> 250%

>

>

> Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate)(Chromemate®)

> 400 mcg

> 333%

>

>

> Molybdenum (as amino acid chelate)

> 150 mcg

> 200%

>

>

> Coenzyme Q10

> 10 mg

> *

>

>

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> 100 mg

> *

>

>

> Black Pepper Extract (Piper nigrum)(fruit extract)(Bioperine®)

> 5 mg

> *

>

>

> Bioflavonoid (hesperidin)

> 50 mg

> *

>

>

> Bioflavonoid (as quercetin)

> 100 mg

> *

>

>

> Grape Seed Extract (ActiVin®)(standardized to 80% phenolic and 75%

oligomer

> polyphenol)(seed)

> 100 mg

> *

>

>

> Ginkgo Biloba (ginkgoaceae)(leaves)(standardized 24% ginkgo flavon

> glycosides, 6% terpene lactones)

> 120 mg

> *

>

>

> Lutein Extract (from 120 mg FloraGLO® lutein extract)(marigold

flower)

> 6 mg

> *

>

>

> Zeaxanthin (from 120 mg FloraGLO® lutein extract)(marigold flower)

> 300 mcg

> *

>

>

> Other ingredients: Magnesium stearate, cellulose, silica and kosher

gelatin

> (capsule).

>

> *Daily value not established.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 10:26 PM, andrew wrote:

i am not sure that methyl b-12 is so superior to cyano b-12 in that

methyl b-12 may be more easily destroyed by stomach acid.

Cyano B-12 is a cheap, low grade form which when metabolized produces

cyanide, which the body must then detoxify. ly, I'd rather skip

this step. Methyl B-12 and adenosyl B-12 (the co-enzyme forms) are ten

times the price of cyano B-12. Worth every penny IMO.

[Guest guest]

If your child is mercury toxic the Alpha Lipoic Acid is a no-no.

> I've finally found a multi that has the right kind of B12 as well

as

> l-optizinc and chromemate but it has 120 mg. of ginko biloba in

it. The adult serving

> size is 2 capsules a day. My son is 9 yo and weighs 68 pounds. I

was going

> to give him 1/2 a capsules or maybe one whole capsule which would

be 60 mg. of

> ginko. Could you comment on whether this formulation is too much?

I would

> half everything that's shown below and also add a small bit of

boron, choline

> and inositol.

>

> Each serving of 2 Capsules provides:

>

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> 100 mg

> *

[Guest guest]

i have seen large doses of cyano used quite successfully on an

amalgam toxic adult,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

the amount of cynaide is miniscle i think

i'm not saying you are wrong its just that short of trying it myself

i am not thinking the difference is black and white. unless you have

tried both and can bear to part with that precious information and

tell us?

>

> i am not sure that methyl b-12 is so superior to cyano b-12 in that

> methyl b-12 may be more easily destroyed by stomach acid.

>

>

>

>

> Cyano B-12 is a cheap, low grade form which when metabolized

produces

> cyanide, which the body must then detoxify. ly, I'd rather

skip

> this step. Methyl B-12 and adenosyl B-12 (the co-enzyme forms) are

ten

> times the price of cyano B-12. Worth every penny IMO.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 02:32 AM, andrew wrote:

> unless you have

> tried both and can bear to part with that precious information and

> tell us?

>

>

>

Do you think you can " bear " to post ANYTHING without your extreme

sarcasm? Unbelievable!

Only the methyl form is used in the central nervous system. The methyl

form of B-12 especially protects nerve tissue and brain cells, and

promotes healthy sleep. Cyano B-12 does not. Methyl B-12 is delivered

more efficiently to nerve tissues than regular B-12. Numerous papers

I've read show that high doses of Methyl B-12 can help regenerate

neurons and the myelin sheath that protects axons and peripheral

nerves. I have seen references to using Methyl B-12 for treating MA,

ALS, immune dysfunction, Alzheimer's, CFS, and many others. It also

helps balance the autonomic nervous system, modulating sympathetic and

parasympathetic responses. I have used both and feel the Methyl B-12

is superior. I'd still rather do without the cyanide no matter how

small the amount, especially in light of the superior assimilation of

methyl B-12 by the nervous system.

[Guest guest]

> Vitamin A (as natural carotenoids: beta carotene, alpha carotene,

lutein,

> zeaxanthin, cryptoxanthin)(Betatene®)

> 5,000 IU

> 100%

This is not vitamin A, these ingredients must be converted by the body

into vitamin A. Many kids' bodies can't convert it.

My son did not tolerate carotenes or luteins until about round 70 of

ALA chelation.

> Natural Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol succinate and mixed

tocopherols)

> 200 IU

> 666%

I believe this would be soy-based. Does your child have issues with soy?

> Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCl)

> 50 mg

> 2,500%

This amount of B6 can make some kids hyper, and make some kids calmer.

> Folic Acid (as folacin)

> 1 mg (1,000 mcg)

> 250%

You need this for the B12.

> Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin)

> 500 mcg

> 8,333%

This is a lot of B12. B12 needs folic acid, but it still might be too

much. For my #3, giving too much B12, even with folic acid, caused

him to be overly emotional and bang his head on the ground. I would

start at 1/4 of this dose at first.

> Biotin

> 500 mcg

> 167%

This depletes magnesium. Give it with extra magnesium.

> Magnesium (oxide)

> 200 mg

> 50%

This is probably not enough magnesium to counter the effects of biotin

above.

> Zinc (as L-OptiZinc®)

> 20 mg

> 133%

Most kids need added zinc, some don't.

> Copper (as amino acid chelate)

> 1 mg (1,000 mcg)

> 50%

Zinc and copper balance each other. Is your child high copper? If

so, don't give copper. If he is high zinc, the copper will help

balance it. If he is balanced in copper and zinc, these percentages

might be okay.

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> 100 mg

> *

This is a high dose of the chelator I used to recover my son. I

started with 25 mg and worked up. I would NOT recommend giving 100 mg

ALA to a child, especially not once per day. Here is my chelation

info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

> Grape Seed Extract (ActiVin®)(standardized to 80% phenolic and 75%

oligomer

> polyphenol)(seed)

> 100 mg

> *

Does your child have issues with high phenols?

> Lutein Extract (from 120 mg FloraGLO® lutein extract)(marigold flower)

> 6 mg

> *

> Zeaxanthin (from 120 mg FloraGLO® lutein extract)(marigold flower)

> 300 mcg

> *

More lutein, see comments on lutein above.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I believe this is why Dr. Megson prescribed this form.

Re: Re: vitamin formulation (for )

>

> On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 02:32 AM, andrew wrote:

>

> > unless you have

> > tried both and can bear to part with that precious information and

> > tell us?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Do you think you can " bear " to post ANYTHING without your extreme

> sarcasm? Unbelievable!

>

> Only the methyl form is used in the central nervous system. The methyl

> form of B-12 especially protects nerve tissue and brain cells, and

> promotes healthy sleep. Cyano B-12 does not. Methyl B-12 is delivered

> more efficiently to nerve tissues than regular B-12. Numerous papers

> I've read show that high doses of Methyl B-12 can help regenerate

> neurons and the myelin sheath that protects axons and peripheral

> nerves. I have seen references to using Methyl B-12 for treating MA,

> ALS, immune dysfunction, Alzheimer's, CFS, and many others. It also

> helps balance the autonomic nervous system, modulating sympathetic and

> parasympathetic responses. I have used both and feel the Methyl B-12

> is superior. I'd still rather do without the cyanide no matter how

> small the amount, especially in light of the superior assimilation of

> methyl B-12 by the nervous system.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

methylcobalamin is given as shots so there is still a question in my

mind about what happens to methlycobalamin when digested and if it is

robust enough to stand up to digestion. sublingual b-12 where the

tablet is held under the tongue and the methly b- 12 is absorbed

directly into the blood may better or a liquid sub lingual?

cyanocobalamin is converted by the liver into the active forms

methylcobalamin and hydroxocobalamin but this conversion may be

variable.

http://www.lifelinknet.com/siteResources/ProductPages/Xobaline.asp.

> >

> > > unless you have

> > > tried both and can bear to part with that precious information

and

> > > tell us?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Do you think you can " bear " to post ANYTHING without your extreme

> > sarcasm? Unbelievable!

> >

> > Only the methyl form is used in the central nervous system. The

methyl

> > form of B-12 especially protects nerve tissue and brain cells,

and

> > promotes healthy sleep. Cyano B-12 does not. Methyl B-12 is

delivered

> > more efficiently to nerve tissues than regular B-12. Numerous

papers

> > I've read show that high doses of Methyl B-12 can help regenerate

> > neurons and the myelin sheath that protects axons and peripheral

> > nerves. I have seen references to using Methyl B-12 for treating

MA,

> > ALS, immune dysfunction, Alzheimer's, CFS, and many others. It

also

> > helps balance the autonomic nervous system, modulating

sympathetic and

> > parasympathetic responses. I have used both and feel the Methyl

B-12

> > is superior. I'd still rather do without the cyanide no matter

how

> > small the amount, especially in light of the superior

assimilation of

> > methyl B-12 by the nervous system.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >