Re: theres no such thing as chelation really, its a confusing

[Guest guest]

the notion of chelation is what is wrong with medicine, the body is

imagined to be relatively discrete interacting segments but in

reality is of quantum complexity and the modes and remedies are

quantum. nf is an interesting quantum remedy. it is more than the sum

of the parts.

if you look at heavy metals in terms of reordering minerals transport

it starts to make sense. this does not invalidate using ala or dmsa

which may have some limited efect in reordering the minerals

transport but you see the limitation which is thier inability to be

that selective for target metals, undue mobilsation of the heavy

metals without passivation during transport, pulling wanted minerals

and not adressing the overall mineral picture. ala may have an anti

viral effect and promote liver function...........the racemic form

(r+) may be better for this.

since reordering the mineral transport flow is what is required then

you have to look at the overall suplementation picture which is

adeqaute mineralisaton esp zinc, mag, iodine, seleniums, managnese,

molybdenum, vit d, methylselenocysteine, gtf chromium,

lithium......................

that will flush heavy metals while also providing the raw materials

for the synergy of body quantum mineral flow.

so you can see why the results of chelation are so unstable and andy

cutler feels the need to ban dissenting opinions. its like pecanbread

doing the same, they both represent what is part of the story as the

whole and the inhabitants of these boards meander for a lifetime is a

limited segemetal space which i am sure is a form of neural

dysfunction.

one of the most unfortunate aspects of all this is the mothers are

usually also poisoned to the extent that judgement and vigour is

affected so my quantum program is really beyond thier abilty to

follow through since it is not an absolute prescription but a road or

flow of discovery.

that said, things did not really rock for me before i added plain whey

(would be interested in feedback on immunocal) which adds the all

important anabolic facotr and matches the quantum mineral flow

synergy in a way that is quite unbelievable.

quantum is the rather grand idea of infinite possibilty made real but

the reality is a lot of nit picking attention to detail i find.

i am now wondering a bit if melatonin and tryptophan supplementaion

need relates a bit to this mechanism of 50/60hz magnetic fields

creating free radicals in cells which melatonin is exremely potent

for detoxifying.

> :

>

> What do you mean by there's no such thing as chelation?? I've

> wondered about this prev. / am curious on y. opin?

>

> jennifer

[Guest guest]

lol i have been following your posts on a-m with interest because its

a very clear cut case of immeadiate improvement.

there could be issues with free radical clearance or liver viral that

ala would be expected to help with

it would be interesting to know how the r+ ala compared with +rs(the

usual stuff), the r+ may not be effective as a chelator but may be

better for viral issues. it certianly is more potent and doses may

have to be lowered considerably and may have mercury mobilisation

issues. however the r+ dose seem better tolerated in the long term

and may be suitable for a low single daily does for viral issues but

i am only guessing.

cliantro as a spice for meals i found helpful but making a cup of a

herb tea from it moblised enough mercury to make the stars swim and

they are only just coming back to not moving now. so this mobislation

issue is fraught with peril.

there is a sort of protocol with selenium , silymarin and ala for hep

b in the liver

" HEPATITIS C

Burton M. Berkson, M.D., Ph.D., a physician and researcher in Las

Cruces, N.M., reported in a German journal in 1999 that a high-

potency antioxidant cocktail can improve liver function, reduce virus

concentrations, and normalize liver enzymes in patients with this

chronic liver infection. His daily protocol consist of alpha-lipoic

acid (600 mg), selenium (400 mcg), and silymarin (900 mg), the active

ingredient in milk thistle (silybum marianum). "

from http://www.oxogenol.com/studies.html

wether its rubbish or not i don't know. some fo the rest of the page

is.

> In a message dated 2/22/2004 4:47:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> alevin@i... writes:

>

> > one of the most unfortunate aspects of all this is the mothers

are

> > usually also poisoned to the extent that judgement and vigour is

> > affected so my quantum program is really beyond thier abilty to

> > follow through

>

> Speaking only for myself, you are right on target here. My ability

to focus

> is shot, same with memory, both short and long-term -- I started

losing it in

> my mid-30s when I got a lot of amalgams, and the shots of RhoGam

put me over

> the edge.

>

> I decided to use Andy's protocol because really I had so little to

lose in

> the brain department, lol. So far it is helping 5 yo n

tremendously,

> although as you say who knows exactly how it's working, perhaps the

supps and

> ala/dmsa are working differently than explained. But it is making a

huge difference

> for him, his brain fog has cleared and he's making giant cognitive

leaps.

>

> As for me, I feel better. But I wouldn't say so far (7 rounds) my

brain fog

> has cleared...

>

> Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---If you dont mind my butting in...Im very new here, and not

familiar with " Andy's protocal " at all. My dr. did give me oral

chelation for my son, but I dont intend to use it for a long time(if

ever) until his gut is healed and more learning is done on my part.

Could you fill me in on this protocol? THanks. In

, lanellici@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/22/2004 4:47:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> alevin@i... writes:

>

> > one of the most unfortunate aspects of all this is the mothers

are

> > usually also poisoned to the extent that judgement and vigour is

> > affected so my quantum program is really beyond thier abilty to

> > follow through

>

> Speaking only for myself, you are right on target here. My ability

to focus

> is shot, same with memory, both short and long-term -- I started

losing it in

> my mid-30s when I got a lot of amalgams, and the shots of RhoGam

put me over

> the edge.

>

> I decided to use Andy's protocol because really I had so little to

lose in

> the brain department, lol. So far it is helping 5 yo n

tremendously,

> although as you say who knows exactly how it's working, perhaps the

supps and

> ala/dmsa are working differently than explained. But it is making a

huge difference

> for him, his brain fog has cleared and he's making giant cognitive

leaps.

>

> As for me, I feel better. But I wouldn't say so far (7 rounds) my

brain fog

> has cleared...

>

> Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> ---If you dont mind my butting in...Im very new here, and not

> familiar with " Andy's protocal " at all. My dr. did give me oral

> chelation for my son, but I dont intend to use it for a long time

(if

> ever) until his gut is healed and more learning is done on my

part.

> Could you fill me in on this protocol?

Info here

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Dana

[Guest guest]

adequate background selenium is a basic for heavy metals.

ala can leave you short of zinc

'the minerals i take " in the index of

members.tripod.com/mueller_ranges/links/compendium/compendium.html

i have only used the whey here which is spray dried and no further

processing which means it retains all the growth facotrs etc but also

has lacotse. it has an extrodinary effect but as i say its only this

whey here in australia i have tried. immunocal looked like one of the

better low lactose wheys and there was a poster years ago on this

board who was very keen on it. but imo the plain spray dried whey

will have the most growth factors etc.

following a protocol imo is somewhat doomed to failure before you

start because you are following rules rather than results.

> ,

>

> It interests me on what you said in your post on mineral transport.

> Are there any books that discusses this topic? I have a mercury

issue

> and I found ALA to be helpful. The first 6 months I felt it did

chelate this

> metal out of my body. After this when I continued to take it I

feel it just

> supports my body to function better. So for me, if ALA did have

some

> role in chelating but it is limited. Sometimes I can take if for 1

week and other

> times only 3 days before feeling not right. Sorry can't explain.

>

> I still continue to rely on it because I did read about how helpful

it is to

> the livers function and reducing inflammation. I feel I need

support in this

> area. When I get a metal taste in my mouth and begin the ALA the

taste goes

> away. I am wondering now if the metal taste might have something

to do

> with my minerals not moving where they should and therefore I taste

a back

> up of minerals some how in my mouth. This might not be a mercury

symptom

> for me. It must have something to do with liver processing though.

>

> I don't think my response to taking ALA is a viral response because

I

> would think I would feel some kind of die-off. I do not. One

other thing ALA

> helps me with is my gums. I began to feel like I am developing gum

disease.

> A very irritating feeling in my gums, like I haven't brushed my

teeth for a year.

> ALA get rid of that too.

>

> I am interested in Immunocal being helpful too because I tried many

> kinds of whey and i can't use the soy and others are made from

dairy.

>

> I am glad what I tried helped me so far because I couldn't tolerate

to be in

> the same room with myself. But now judging where I am right now I

do think

> there is more applied here that religiously using ALA as a chelator.

>

> Any information will be helpful. Is there a name to the protocol

you follow?

>

> Liz D.

> Re: theres no such thing as chelation really,

its a confusing

>

>

>

> if you look at heavy metals in terms of reordering minerals

transport

> it starts to make sense. this does not invalidate using ala or

dmsa

> which may have some limited efect in reordering the minerals

> transport but you see the limitation which is thier inability to be

> that selective for target metals, undue mobilsation of the heavy

> metals without passivation during transport, pulling wanted minerals

> and not adressing the overall mineral picture. ala may have an anti

> viral effect and promote liver function...........the racemic form

> (r+) may be better for this.

>

> since reordering the mineral transport flow is what is required

then

> you have to look at the overall suplementation picture which is

> adeqaute mineralisaton esp zinc, mag, iodine, seleniums, managnese,

> molybdenum, vit d, methylselenocysteine, gtf chromium,

> lithium......................

>

> that will flush heavy metals while also providing the raw materials

> for the synergy of body quantum mineral flow.

>

>

> i am now wondering a bit if melatonin and tryptophan supplementaion

> need relates a bit to this mechanism of 50/60hz magnetic fields

> creating free radicals in cells which melatonin is exremely potent

> for detoxifying.

>

>