Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 > My name is Leena, mom to Austin 4yr. old with PDD...I have tried > enzymes on and off for long enough periods of time....when I first > reintorduce the enzymes the first 1-3 days are GREAT!!!! everyone > notices it...Then the good results taper off and we get fussy, > inattentative, and stimmy....I can't figure out...I am not > introducing new foods during that time period either It can be that he is still eating foods he does not tolerate, even with the enzymes. Which enzymes do you use? What are the stims? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Hi Leena, For our dd, the combination of both the AFP Peptizyde and No-Fenol (can help with yeast issues too) worked great together after the first week or two of transitions (Epsom salt baths can help rid the body of bad stuff too). We later added the Zyme Prime made without the Bromelain. Some kids, like mine, show behavioral changes with Bromelain, but I think most do fine with it. Dr. Houston makes both kinds (with and without Bromelain). Also, try avoiding foods/candies/desserts made with artificial colors/corn syrup. These things can cause behavioral changes too. Time, trial and error will help you understand what works best for your child. Best wishes, Gretchen > > Hi everyone, > > My name is Leena, mom to Austin 4yr. old with PDD...I have tried > enzymes on and off for long enough periods of time....when I first > reintorduce the enzymes the first 1-3 days are GREAT!!!! everyone > notices it...Then the good results taper off and we get fussy, > inattentative, and stimmy....I can't figure out...I am not > introducing new foods during that time period either > > The only thing I can think of is that the enzymes combined with the foods eaten are porducing yeast issues to develop...I haven't > started any sort of probiotic yeast...mainly not knowing which one is good and the dosages. > > If anyone has had this prob. or knows what could be the > cause...please respond. > > Thanks, > Leena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 > > My name is Leena, mom to Austin 4yr. old with PDD...I have tried > > enzymes on and off for long enough periods of time....when I first > > reintorduce the enzymes the first 1-3 days are GREAT!!!! everyone > > notices it...Then the good results taper off and we get fussy, > > inattentative, and stimmy....I can't figure out...I am not > > introducing new foods during that time period either > > > It can be that he is still eating foods he does not tolerate, even > with the enzymes. Which enzymes do you use? What are the stims? > > Dana I have entered an example of everything we are doing so far in message #70321....the stims are finger flicking, looking at his hands, and going in circles, and sometimes looking sideways at the TV. Hope this helps. I will be ever so thankful. Leena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 > > > reintorduce the enzymes the first 1-3 days are GREAT!!!! > everyone > > > notices it...Then the good results taper off and we get fussy, > > > inattentative, and stimmy....I can't figure out...I am not > > > introducing new foods during that time period either Most of the time, this means he is still eating foods/supplements he does not tolerate, even with the enzymes. You can try removing foods, see if that helps. Bananas are a common problem food, so you can try removing that for 2-3 days, see if you notice anything. It can also mean that you have addressed the food issues, and now OTHER issues are appearing. >>the stims are finger flicking, looking at his > hands, and going in circles, and sometimes looking sideways at the > TV. Circling and sideways-looking were yeast for my son. The visuals, for my son, required a LOT of interventions. This is from my site update that I will post tomorrow: Summary of interventions that removed visual stims for my son: Enzymes, removing foods he did not tolerate even with enzymes, eliminating yeast, ALA chelation [this eliminated the need for all the things I mentioned previously], anti-viral [high dose vitamin A and olive leaf extract], lutein/carotene supplement [once he tolerated luteins/carotenes, at the end of ALA chelation], vitamin A maintenance, selenium, B50, extra thiamin. Currently he just needs the last four. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 This sounds like yeast die off to me. The enzymes don;t cause the yeast, they are part of the cure. You can drop back on dose to ease effects or give more if you and the child can cope and push through it. You will see good things shine through when you get out the other side. Probiotics can help in the rebalancing though you may need to employ 'active' yeast killers like GSE. See if you can manage to sort it out with enzymes and probiotics first. HTH Mandi in UK when I first reintorduce the enzymes the first 1-3 days are GREAT!!!! everyone notices it...Then the good results taper off and we get fussy, inattentative, and stimmy....I can't figure out...I am not introducing new foods during that time period either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Egads Sue, and here I thought my bio-dad was a loser. At least all he did was try to avoid paying child support at all costs. Stick to your guns with this and I hope it’s all resolved soon. Poor Nell though – thank goodness she has a good step-dad to make up for the terrible bio-dad. I’ll be praying for you both. Sherry in PA From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Urbanczyk Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: whats going on Saw the Plastic Surgeon today. He said that I am more swollen that I really should be at this point in time and I my pain should be gone by now. He things that the pain and swelling is because of my fibro. However the incisions look good and I have been given the OK to do whatever I want using pain as a guide. I did not even get into my exhaustion. He is not the type to listen. That means I can start with the horses. They will be moving very close to me soon. To their winter home. Indoor arena and all. Just about four minutes from my house. I am so excited. Ellen's place is 40 minutes each way. Doesn't sound like much but on a bad day it makes a big difference. My husband's care died and right now we do not have the money for a new one. It would seem that we will be going through the winter with just one car and saving to buy one in the spring. My abusive ex husband has withdrawn his money support for Nell for New Haven. It has been terrible here. Poor Nell. I am holding back crying every two seconds and staying strong for Nell. He and his wife are furious that I followed the advice of Nell's physiological legal council to take Nell to New Haven first to look, meet everyone, see, touch and get a feel for what she was committing too. He said then he could sign off on the idea. He then said she could go right after Christmas. I had been told by Nell's lawyer that we needed to have Dr. Doiron on board for the legal case. So when I told Nell this she was of course upset that plans once again were changed. But said she would do it but would not change again. Her father and his wife, Heidi, just about exploded, saying I am trying to derail the legal case. That there money is contingent on her going on the 6Th of December. Oh the verbal abuse has been just wonderful. Nell will not budge. Her therapist says she should not have to and her education consultant says she should not have to. So Bob c.c us all in on a letter to the lawyer that he is withdrawing all funds to everyone. No more lawyer, advocate nothing. Unless she does as he says. Heidi called us lairs. That we knew that their money was contingent on the 6Th. You cannot imagine the stress at my house. I am physically dizzy with it. My poor daughter. I left this man because he was an abuser. Now he does this to his daughter. I am waiting for the flair. Hoping it does not come but... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Sue, I am so incredibly sorry for all that you and Nell are going through. I will keep you in my prayers. From: Urbanczyk <featherednst@...>Subject: whats going on Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:28 PM Saw the Plastic Surgeon today. He said that I am more swollen that I really should be at this point in time and I my pain should be gone by now. He things that the pain and swelling is because of my fibro. However the incisions look good and I have been given the OK to do whatever I want using pain as a guide. I did not even get into my exhaustion. He is not the type to listen. That means I can start with the horses. They will be moving very close to me soon. To their winter home. Indoor arena and all. Just about four minutes from my house. I am so excited. Ellen's place is 40 minutes each way. Doesn't sound like much but on a bad day it makes a big difference. My husband's care died and right now we do not have the money for a new one. It would seem that we will be going through the winter with just one car and saving to buy one in the spring. My abusive ex husband has withdrawn his money support for Nell for New Haven. It has been terrible here. Poor Nell. I am holding back crying every two seconds and staying strong for Nell. He and his wife are furious that I followed the advice of Nell's physiological legal council to take Nell to New Haven first to look, meet everyone, see, touch and get a feel for what she was committing too. He said then he could sign off on the idea. He then said she could go right after Christmas. I had been told by Nell's lawyer that we needed to have Dr. Doiron on board for the legal case. So when I told Nell this she was of course upset that plans once again were changed. But said she would do it but would not change again. Her father and his wife, Heidi, just about exploded, saying I am trying to derail the legal case. That there money is contingent on her going on the 6Th of December. Oh the verbal abuse has been just wonderful. Nell will not budge. Her therapist says she should not have to and her education consultant says she should not have to. So Bob c.c us all in on a letter to the lawyer that he is withdrawing all funds to everyone. No more lawyer, advocate nothing. Unless she does as he says. Heidi called us lairs. That we knew that their money was contingent on the 6Th. You cannot imagine the stress at my house. I am physically dizzy with it. My poor daughter. I left this man because he was an abuser. Now he does this to his daughter. I am waiting for the flair. Hoping it does not come but... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Geez, Sue, I'm so sorry. It seems that no good deed goes unpunished, doesn't it? I am praying for you and Nell and your hubby too. Glad to hear that the horses will be moving so much closer to you. When I had my horses, they were housed in a stable behind my house, so I never had to go anywhere to care for them. I don't know that I could do what you do. Pam whats going on Saw the Plastic Surgeon today. He said that I am more swollen that I really should be at this point in time and I my pain should be gone by now. He things that the pain and swelling is because of my fibro. However the incisions look good and I have been given the OK to do whatever I want using pain as a guide. I did not even get into my exhaustion. He is not the type to listen. That means I can start with the horses. They will be moving very close to me soon. To their winter home. Indoor arena and all. Just about four minutes from my house. I am so excited. Ellen's place is 40 minutes each way. Doesn't sound like much but on a bad day it makes a big difference. My husband's care died and right now we do not have the money for a new one. It would seem that we will be going through the winter with just one car and saving to buy one in the spring. My abusive ex husband has withdrawn his money support for Nell for New Haven. It has been terrible here. Poor Nell. I am holding back crying every two seconds and staying strong for Nell. He and his wife are furious that I followed the advice of Nell's physiological legal council to take Nell to New Haven first to look, meet everyone, see, touch and get a feel for what she was committing too. He said then he could sign off on the idea. He then said she could go right after Christmas. I had been told by Nell's lawyer that we needed to have Dr. Doiron on board for the legal case. So when I told Nell this she was of course upset that plans once again were changed. But said she would do it but would not change again. Her father and his wife, Heidi, just about exploded, saying I am trying to derail the legal case. That there money is contingent on her going on the 6Th of December. Oh the verbal abuse has been just wonderful. Nell will not budge. Her therapist says she should not have to and her education consultant says she should not have to. So Bob c.c us all in on a letter to the lawyer that he is withdrawing all funds to everyone. No more lawyer, advocate nothing. Unless she does as he says. Heidi called us lairs. That we knew that their money was contingent on the 6Th. You cannot imagine the stress at my house. I am physically dizzy with it. My poor daughter. I left this man because he was an abuser. Now he does this to his daughter. I am waiting for the flair. Hoping it does not come but... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Oh Sue~~I am so very sorry for all your problems with the X. Been there done that too. I know with everything going on with Nell, it is much different from what I went through with my girls, and their Dads. I am glad you are going to be able to be with your horses. That will take some stress off of you. You and your family are always in my prayers. Love & Hugs Cyn Boyd Blue Lark Sakima Iowa -- whats going on Saw the Plastic Surgeon today. He said that I am more swollen that I really should be at this point in time and I my pain should be gone by now. He things that the pain and swelling is because of my fibro. However the incisions look good and I have been given the OK to do whatever I want using pain as a guide. I did not even get into my exhaustion. He is not the type to listen. That means I can start with the horses. They will be moving very close to me soon. To their winter home. Indoor arena and all. Just about four minutes from my house. I am so excited. Ellen's place is 40 minutes each way. Doesn't sound like much but on a bad day it makes a big difference. My husband's care died and right now we do not have the money for a new one. It would seem that we will be going through the winter with just one car and saving to buy one in the spring. My abusive ex husband has withdrawn his money support for Nell for New Haven. It has been terrible here. Poor Nell. I am holding back crying every two seconds and staying strong for Nell. He and his wife are furious that I followed the advice of Nell's physiological legal council to take Nell to New Haven first to look, meet everyone, see, touch and get a feel for what she was committing too. He said then he could sign off on the idea. He then said she could go right after Christmas. I had been told by Nell's lawyer that we needed to have Dr. Doiron on board for the legal case. So when I told Nell this she was of course upset that plans once again were changed. But said she would do it but would not change again. Her father and his wife, Heidi, just about exploded, saying I am trying to derail the legal case. That there money is contingent on her going on the 6Th of December. Oh the verbal abuse has been just wonderful. Nell will not budge. Her therapist says she should not have to and her education consultant says she should not have to. So Bob c.c us all in on a letter to the lawyer that he is withdrawing all funds to everyone. No more lawyer, advocate nothing. Unless she does as he says. Heidi called us lairs. That we knew that their money was contingent on the 6Th. You cannot imagine the stress at my house. I am physically dizzy with it. My poor daughter. I left this man because he was an abuser. Now he does this to his daughter. I am waiting for the flair. Hoping it does not come but... Sue Dreamcatcher & Poem: © Orion Designs 2006 font: Kelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Mmmm ... I would agree with that - nothing like the smell & feel of horses to warm the heart ...as Cyn said, so sweetly with those puppies - Hang in There Pru From: Cyn Boyd Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: whats going on Oh Sue~~I am so very sorry for all your problems with the X. Been there done that too. I know with everything going on with Nell, it is much different from what I went through with my girls, and their Dads. I am glad you are going to be able to be with your horses. That will take some stress off of you. You and your family are always in my prayers. Love & Hugs Cyn Boyd Blue Lark Sakima Iowa -- whats going on Saw the Plastic Surgeon today. He said that I am more swollen that I really should be at this point in time and I my pain should be gone by now. He things that the pain and swelling is because of my fibro. However the incisions look good and I have been given the OK to do whatever I want using pain as a guide. I did not even get into my exhaustion. He is not the type to listen. That means I can start with the horses. They will be moving very close to me soon. To their winter home. Indoor arena and all. Just about four minutes from my house. I am so excited. Ellen's place is 40 minutes each way. Doesn't sound like much but on a bad day it makes a big difference. My husband's care died and right now we do not have the money for a new one. It would seem that we will be going through the winter with just one car and saving to buy one in the spring. My abusive ex husband has withdrawn his money support for Nell for New Haven. It has been terrible here. Poor Nell. I am holding back crying every two seconds and staying strong for Nell. He and his wife are furious that I followed the advice of Nell's physiological legal council to take Nell to New Haven first to look, meet everyone, see, touch and get a feel for what she was committing too. He said then he could sign off on the idea. He then said she could go right after Christmas. I had been told by Nell's lawyer that we needed to have Dr. Doiron on board for the legal case. So when I told Nell this she was of course upset that plans once again were changed. But said she would do it but would not change again. Her father and his wife, Heidi, just about exploded, saying I am trying to derail the legal case. That there money is contingent on her going on the 6Th of December. Oh the verbal abuse has been just wonderful. Nell will not budge. Her therapist says she should not have to and her education consultant says she should not have to. So Bob c.c us all in on a letter to the lawyer that he is withdrawing all funds to everyone. No more lawyer, advocate nothing. Unless she does as he says. Heidi called us lairs. That we knew that their money was contingent on the 6Th. You cannot imagine the stress at my house. I am physically dizzy with it. My poor daughter. I left this man because he was an abuser. Now he does this to his daughter. I am waiting for the flair. Hoping it does not come but... Sue Dreamcatcher & Poem: © Orion Designs 2006 font: Kelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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